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The decks are super similar but I'll post my list since the boards are different: https://deckbox.org/sets/792068 Most notably, I'm a fan of empty the pits against control decks.
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Zoness posted:What Run your own Caryatid, Bile Blight it 
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I really think that Courser and Caryatid to ramp into Polukranos or Siege Rhino makes any kind of aggro deck pretty much unplayable in this standard.
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mcmagic posted:I really think that Courser and Caryatid to ramp into Polukranos or Siege Rhino makes any kind of aggro deck pretty much unplayable in this standard. Agree. They rely on you stumbling or having a lot of removal basically. If they cut, downfall, thoughtseize you then play some beaters but that really isn't aggro.
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That being said, I hope Courser/Caryatid decks get the poo poo kicked out of them at the PT this weekend and we see something new.
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The Wicked Wall posted:Feeling a little uneasy that the thread seems to be consigning monoblack to a cold grave after I traded unused fetches and other bits and pieces for an entire monoblack aggro deck, but at least I now have a fairly playable deck for society events and FNMs! 1. You can't bile blight Caryatid, it has hexproof. Courser can be Bile Blighted when it blocks. Did you have those backwards? Boon of Erebos works for both, and can trump removal in a pinch. Also Mogis's Marauder gets you past both and is probably the one card that makes the deck even worth considering, since no one else is running many black creatures. 2. I don't even know if Thoughtseize is where that deck wants to be right now. There's so many green/red decks that just have a huge density of redundant threats. You take their Polukranos or Stormbreath Dragon and they're still stonewalling you with Coursers and Caryatids which unless you have a god draw will stall you out until they can draw a replacement to whatever you took. 3. Master of the Feast is really good if they can't deal with it in a turn or two, and if they can you were probably losing anyway. If mono-green resolves their Hornet Queen or whatever you are already losing in a hurry unless you draw that Mogis's Marauder right now., and even that might not do it. Skullhunter I think just doesn't do enough. They discard whatever doesn't help them stabilize against you because if they live long enough to want to cast it they'll have time to draw another. The 2/1 for 2 body just isn't enough beef to be threatening. I've tried Mono-Black Aggro a bit and I just don't think it's very well positioned when half the field is going Mystic/Caryatid into Courser, Polukranos, Dragons, etc. while Magma Jetting / Lightning Striking your small guys out of the way. Then after sideboarding all the green decks board into four Nylea's Disciple. And then there's Abzan, which if it's a thing, is running 4x Siege Rhino which both gains them life and can actually block black creatures with Intimidate. I think 2/1 creatures just aren't that good right now, even if they only cost 1 mana. Half the decks you're playing against are capable of turn 3 Polukranos, turn 4 Monstrous for x=2, eating two of your 2/1s and swinging with a 7/7.
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mcmagic posted:I really think that Courser and Caryatid to ramp into Polukranos or Siege Rhino makes any kind of aggro deck pretty much unplayable in this standard. Yep. Mono-R probably has a slightly better chance since it's faster and can compliment its swarm strategy with burn and pump spells, but aggro in general is going to have a really tough time in this Standard. Having said that, something like a U/W Heroic strategy might still be viable, since they can swing through blockers and protect their tron dudes via "protection from" spells and Aqueous Form.
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qbert posted:Yep. Mono-R probably has a slightly better chance since it's faster and can compliment its swarm strategy with burn and pump spells, but aggro in general is going to have a really tough time in this Standard. Also any deck that is doing the courser/carytid ramp package can be siding in Nylea's Disciples and aggro is just dead dead dead vs that card.
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mcmagic posted:That being said, I hope Courser/Caryatid decks get the poo poo kicked out of them at the PT this weekend and we see something new. Speaking of the Pro Tour the constructed resources show was based on their predictions of the pro tour and they totally dismissed jeskai as a potential deck to do well as well as basically saying splashing blue was bad (as in blue is just bad in khans). They did that while also saying that there wasn't a relevant counterspell against green. Have these guys lost their touch?
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Yeah I got Courser and Caryatid the other way round, though the face-up cards thing is part of Courser so I seem to have had confused myself mid-sentence and just moved on? Welp. EDIT: I remembered, was confusing Bile Blight with Anger of the Gods. Will consider Boon of Erebos for Coursers and try to get some Spiteful Returned then! In the worst case scenario that my deck is going to be drowned like a rat in a sea of midrange durdle and clunkers, is it worth considering trying to shift it to also a midrange deck? Or is midrange monoblack just kind of bad? The Wicked Wall fucked around with this message at 22:16 on Oct 8, 2014 |
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Sickening posted:Speaking of the Pro Tour the constructed resources show was based on their predictions of the pro tour and they totally dismissed jeskai as a potential deck to do well as well as basically saying splashing blue was bad (as in blue is just bad in khans). They did that while also saying that there wasn't a relevant counterspell against green. Have these guys lost their touch?
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You can lose to aggro the same way you can lose to burn. If they hit everything right and you don't, you can die. But that doesn't really happen as often as it needs to for aggro to win since like half the format staples brick aggro incidentally.
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rabidsquid posted:Run your own Caryatid, Bile Blight it
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rabidsquid posted:Run your own Caryatid, Bile Blight it I've done this for a win. One attacking creature, one Caryatid on my side, two Caryatids on opponent's side, he's at 2 life. Bile Blight my own Caryatid, eliminates his two, swing for lethal.
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Entropic posted:They really need someone on the show who plays competitive Standard regularly, which it appears neither of them really do. It's kind of weird. Marshall forgets the existence of any card he hasn't dealt with in coverage and if Jon knows about a card in Theros block it's by the development playtest name. (I just listened to the last podcast and he calls that blue Instant Banishing Knack so many times that I now can't remember what it's actually called.) The show as a whole is rather underwhelming. Also, the name.
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Madmarker posted:
This takes me to playing at a Theros Block Constructed GP at Manchester as a mono black aggro player and seeing 10 different flavours of caryatid/courser every round, I thought I blanked it from my mind, but this made me remember again, thanks man 
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Sickening posted:Speaking of the Pro Tour the constructed resources show was based on their predictions of the pro tour and they totally dismissed jeskai as a potential deck to do well as well as basically saying splashing blue was bad (as in blue is just bad in khans). They did that while also saying that there wasn't a relevant counterspell against green. Have these guys lost their touch? I pretty much agree with them that blue in Kahn's is pretty bad. (In standard)
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Madmarker posted:1) Courser is a huge stumbling block, honestly your best way of dealing with him is either Thoughtseize/Despise, Hero's Downfall or Mogis Marauder. The same as your answers for everything else really. Ideally your swarming around the opponents blockers with all your dorks, and you WILL have some of your dudes die, but thats fine because your interested in the damage. Caryatid/fleecemane will slow you down too much with this build. That is going to make up a huge % of the field you are going to go up against. A deck without boon is a deck without much of a chance.
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Sickening posted:Speaking of the Pro Tour the constructed resources show was based on their predictions of the pro tour and they totally dismissed jeskai as a potential deck to do well as well as basically saying splashing blue was bad (as in blue is just bad in khans). They did that while also saying that there wasn't a relevant counterspell against green. Have these guys lost their touch? I haven't listened to it yet, but perhaps they're saying counterspells are just bad against Green (I'm assuming they mean Mono-Green)? Because they kind of are.
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Yea they aren't wrong- blue is a weak color and the jeskai deck is really only playing blue for mantis rider and jeskai charm. Trying to hold up counterspells vs genesis hydra doesn't really work well either- the only decent counterspell is disdainful stroke, but that's still not a great card in a lot of matchups. Even vs green it doesn't hit courser which is very hard to fight through in a card-advantage game.
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Angry Grimace posted:I haven't listened to it yet, but perhaps they're saying counterspells are just bad against Green (I'm assuming they mean Mono-Green)? Because they kind of are. Kind of, without something that works right out of the gate like Essence Scatter. Disdainful Stroke works against some of the most relevant threats, like Polukranos and big-mana hydras, but doesn't get the most relevant cards, Caryatid or Courser. Stymied Hopes works early when your opponent is tapping out to do things, but 1 mana will pretty much never be an issue for a green deck past turn 4-5 or so.
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sarmhan posted:Yea they aren't wrong- blue is a weak color and the jeskai deck is really only playing blue for mantis rider and jeskai charm. Trying to hold up counterspells vs genesis hydra doesn't really work well either- the only decent counterspell is disdainful stroke, but that's still not a great card in a lot of matchups. Even vs green it doesn't hit courser which is very hard to fight through in a card-advantage game. It hits everything but mana dorks and courser which is kind of the point of counterspells vs green devotion. Anger is also usually a 3 of despite the fact that it hits mantids because it can be so backbreaking. (all this coming out of the board of course)
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Control decks have still been doing relatively well (primarily) outside outside of NA. Still early on in the format, so blue-based lists haven't had time to develop.
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I'm gonna play Sultai so hard in standard now that I have a whole month to practice for the PTQ online top8, you just wait and see blue be awesome (not at doing any controlling just at drawing cards).
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Sickening posted:It hits everything but mana dorks and courser which is kind of the point of counterspells vs green devotion. Anger is also usually a 3 of despite the fact that it hits mantids because it can be so backbreaking. (all this coming out of the board of course) CellBlock posted:Kind of, without something that works right out of the gate like Essence Scatter. Disdainful Stroke works against some of the most relevant threats, like Polukranos and big-mana hydras, but doesn't get the most relevant cards, Caryatid or Courser. Stymied Hopes works early when your opponent is tapping out to do things, but 1 mana will pretty much never be an issue for a green deck past turn 4-5 or so. And Genesis Hydra. You can't counter Genesis Hydra's Genesis Wave ability at all because its not an ETB, it occurs when you cast Genesis Hydra.
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Entropic posted:They really need someone on the show who plays competitive Standard regularly, which it appears neither of them really do. It's kind of weird. Marshall forgets the existence of any card he hasn't dealt with in coverage and if Jon knows about a card in Theros block it's by the development playtest name. (I just listened to the last podcast and he calls that blue Instant Banishing Knack so many times that I now can't remember what it's actually called.) To be fair the shows recorded have been before the set was released on mtgo and presumably they will get plenty of play testing in as the standard season develops from Pro Tour results. I'm hoping the show turns out well since I'm looking forward to a show that talks about constructed magic and doesn't involve people spending an hour or two talking about their personal lives.
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Angry Grimace posted:And Genesis Hydra. You can't counter Genesis Hydra's Genesis Wave ability at all because its not an ETB, it occurs when you cast Genesis Hydra.
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Rinkles posted:Did Ashiok ever get any prime time? Seems like with Sultai Midrange, he/she/it is starting to get a bit more attention. For that matter, Garruk Apex Predator is starting to get more attention as well.
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neetengie posted:This clearly means Wizards need to reprint Stifle. This is actually true
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neetengie posted:This clearly means Wizards need to reprint Stifle. Are you trying to make my huge throbbing Hydra go limp? Because it's working.
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TheKingofSprings posted:This is actually true Wizards isn't going to reprint Stifle in a Standard legal until after Khans rotates out of standard, if ever
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neetengie posted:This clearly means Wizards need to reprint Stifle. Would that even help? That has same problem as traditional counterspells wrt genesis hydra--you only counter half of the problem.
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Entropic posted:They really need someone on the show who plays competitive Standard regularly, which it appears neither of them really do. It's kind of weird. Marshall forgets the existence of any card he hasn't dealt with in coverage and if Jon knows about a card in Theros block it's by the development playtest name. (I just listened to the last podcast and he calls that blue Instant Banishing Knack so many times that I now can't remember what it's actually called.) Banishing Knack isn't the playtest name, it's the name the exact same card had in SSE. Retraction Helix is straight up a functional reprint of Banishing Knack, presumably because Knacks are a concept associated with fairy tales and therefore are not in-flavor for Theros. I mean, I get that it's confusing to newer players who never played SSE, but it's a bad example of a 'playtest name' or whatever the point here is because the name it's replacing is actually bad and hard to remember. It's also kind of a thing that older players tend to refer to new cards that get functional reprinted by their older printing. Also Banishing Knack is fewer syllables than Retraction Helix. Zoness fucked around with this message at 23:10 on Oct 8, 2014 |
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Elyv posted:Wizards isn't going to reprint Stifle in a Standard legal until after Khans rotates out of standard, if ever I still wear a shiteating grin when I Squelch someone Fetching on turn 2. Oku-Doku's face is comparable to the ones my opponent's wear shortly after I cast it. So let me do it in khans for 1 mana less please. Edit: They could totally print Stifle in this block, its about change remember? Absolutely 
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Count Bleck posted:I still wear a shiteating grin when I Squelch someone Fetching on turn 2. Stifling a fetch doesn't feel as good as Squelching one though, it doesn't cantrip. Have you ever countered a big spell with Disrupt? I'm an aggro player at heart, but possibly best feeling ever.
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So everyone knows, I agree its not a very good deck ATM, its really just for my local FNM scene while I build up the cards for some control deck. I'll try Boon of Erebos in it, but I haven't really seen that many Fleecemane Lion's everyone's trying to jump straight to Siege Rhino or Polukranos, so I havent had that particular issue.
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cheetah7071 posted:Would that even help? That has same problem as traditional counterspells wrt genesis hydra--you only counter half of the problem.
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My shameful Mercbrawl failure. We got two weeks, so I have no excuse. I loved my original idea for this story, but completely lacked the chops to pull it off. This is what I have so far, 2/3's written and unedited. I have never spent so much effort on doing something so poorly. I am posting slightly early because I'm at work until deadline. I'm sorry to waste your time Merc, you are doing good work running these brawls. Half of a London Story 1716 Words The flyer said two, but Maddy had arrived at Parliament Square a half hour before the protest was due to start. It was still relatively quiet in the shadow of Big Ben, just the usual array of languid backpackers in the way of bankers and politicos, ties flying in the wind. Perhaps there had been more dreadlocks and natural fibres on the tube than normal, but it might have just been because she was looking for them. She’d always been the one to turn up before the party really started, forced into small talk with the hosts while they waited for other, trendier guests. Milling around waiting was giving her that same awkward feeling. She popped in to a Cafe to pass the time. The barista was aussie, they always make great coffee, and this one was hot, too. She watched his strong young arms yank the machine’s handle around and smack it hard against the bench to eject the spent grounds. When she was married she’d envied the freedom of travellers like him, rootless and drifting, and it had taken her a while to realise how much closer to that her change of marital status had brought her. Sure, she still had her job to think about, but outside of work she answered only to herself. When she got back to the square the crowds had really started to gather. White vans and minibuses were dropping off groups from the unions. Their colour coordinated uniforms and professionally lettered signs lent a disappointingly festive air to the scene. Maddy was hoping for something harder edged than a polite bunch of civil-servants, something dangerous. Across the road from the square, out of the sight of a couple of cops in high-vis vests, she saw a kid tying a handkerchief round her face. That was more like it. She looked both ways and crossed to the shadowy arches. In the shadows of the arcade Maddy was surprised to see a ragged queue of about seven or eight young men in hoodies. Only in England would civil disobedience take the form of such orderly lines. The kid with the handkerchief round his face said a few words, but between his accent and the cloth over his mouth she couldn’t make them out. He rolled his eyes and pulled it down over his chin. “Y’alright love?” His accent was the mixture of Cockney, Caribbean and North African that she heard from the back when she rode the bus. He didn’t look so intimidating up close with his face uncovered, he could have been any of the first years in one of her lectures. He was a good looking boy, maybe twenty years old, with a thin black moustache growing on his otherwise smooth, dark brown face. “Fine, I think. I’m here for the protest.” “Right place then, innit?” He looked over down the line. “Hey boys, Broad here wants in.” One of the others, rummaging in a rucksack, looked up “Least she’s dressed right. Whatever, Bruv. Just look after her”. He was older and rougher looking, as were the rest. She was starting to turn around when the boy continued enthusiastically. “So I’m Trevor, that’s Ray” He nodded at the guy with the bag. “The rest of ‘em are Ray’s mates.” “Maddy, nice to meet you.” “Just stick with us and you’ll be right. Most of them ponces just want to wave flags and sing, innit? If they want to get on TV they need people willing to start poo poo up”. *** The march had headed up Whitehall before turning left down the Mall towards Buckingham Palace. She’d been there with Greg three months ago for the Royal Wedding, standing on tip-toes in the grass to try to catch a glimpse of the new Duke and Duchess through the bulletproof glass windows of their Bentley limo. What a hypocrite she’d been, teaching her Marxist theory on the one hand and propping up the Monarchy with her flag waving on the other. She wasn’t exactly a revolutionary but it was best just to avoid that stuff completely to stop Greg getting pissy. How had she ended up with such a complete Bastard? Walking in on him and that grad student was a blessing. Had she known it at the time she might not have slapped the bitch so hard. Her group of new friends had fallen in behind a row of teachers with a huge banner, hiding them well from the cops that lined the mall despite the way their black tracksuits clashed in the sea of colours. Trevor was jerking his head around, eyes wide, trying to drink in everything around him. He grabbed at Ray’s bag. “Come on bruv, gimme one.” “Just settle down, stick to chirpsing with wifey.” There was a snort of laughter from further down the line. It was strange how they insisted on staying in such a neat row. “Oh my days. That’s out of order. Come oooon.” He drew out the last word, reminding Maddy of her little brother whinging when he was little. At this Ray relented and reached into the rucksack and pulled out an orange stick with big black arrow pointing to one end. He tossed it to Trevor, who fumbled it a few times before catching it. “Sick!” He pulled at a tab and the flare burst into life from the bottom end, spewing red smoke and flame over his trainers. He dropped it, shaking his hand in pain, then a murmur started through the crowd as the smoke rose and spread. “Tear gas!” came a cry from behind them, and the crowd surged forward, building pressure at their backs. This was more like it. She grabbed Trevor’s shoulder and steadied him, he was still nursing his hand. “I’m alright, I’m alright.” He gritted his teeth “Oh my days!” She saw a small red mark on his hand, could have maybe used a band-aid but it wasn’t too bad. He saw her smirk and pulled himself together. With the commotion the protest had picked up speed, and it wasn’t long before they were in front of parliament, just a row of short barricades and the odd policeman between them and the tourist entrance. The cops seemed laid back, though the mounted one down the way was scary, her horse barded with clear plastic riot gear. Ray reached into the rucksack, and brought out half a dozen pairs of handcuffs. They jangled, innocent as a set of keys, but Maddy could see where this was headed. She imagined Greg sitting on the couch eating dinner, watching the news, and smiled at the thought of him spitting up his food when he saw her. Ray started handing out the handcuffs from his rucksack. She was nervous now, though the plan seemed safe. She looked around, could there undercover officers in the crowd? She caught Trevor leaning back to check out her arse. She watched him look for a few seconds before he realized and blushed hard enough for her to see it clearly through the dark skin of his cheeks. She raised her eyebrows in mock admonishment, happy to be noticed by the young man. “Well what are you waiting for?” He looked at her for a second like she was speaking another language, before he remembered what he was doing and took the last pair. “You sure about this? It’s a wicked thing to do, know what I mean?” He didn’t get time to hear the answer. Ray shouted the signal and the flare burst into life before being lobbed into the air by two of the crew. Then they made their run for the wrought iron fence surrounding the ornate gothic building. It was easier than she’d thought, half expecting to be tackled before they could even make it the few steps across the road. The clacking sound of the ratchets in the cuffs indicated that Ray and the others had done it, then Trevor’s slipped around her wrist and there they were, a human daisy-chain. Down the fenceline she saw that one of the flares had landed beside the police horse, who was backing into a corner to try to get away. Their run had spurred on the rest of the protesters, too, and they’d started pressing up against the barricades and even hopping them in places. It was too much for the horse, which threw its rider and started walking straight towards them. Maddy, at the end of the chain, tried to swing herself around to give it room but it was headed directly along the fence line into their path, whinnying and bucking and stumbling back and forth just a few yards away. When she threw herself against him, cowering from the horse, Trevor knew it was on him to keep Maddy safe. Ray had told him as much, and besides that he really liked her. He didn’t normally go after older women but something about her made him think she was up for it. He’d been screwing stuff up all day, but he felt steadier from the adrenaline running through his veins. Ray was ahead of him, pulling off his sneaker to get the key hidden there. The horse had turned, and kicked backwards in panic, catching Ray with a glancing blow on the leg. this spun him around, and the key went flying, catching the sun at the height of it’s arc. For the first time that day Trevor acted quickly. He pulled Maddy close to give the cuffs some slack, then he swung around ray and the others flicking the two out like the tip of a whip. He grimaced as the cuff connecting him to the others cut into his wrist, but he got up enough speed to catch the key in the folds of his hoodie as he fell to the ground with Maddie straddling his stomach. She took the key off his chest and used her free hand to unlock the cuffs connecting Trevor to the others, then threw it across in the direction of Ray. The horse was still bucking and kicking, but a bunch of the cops had surrounded it and were trying to get it under control. More were on their way, with their sights set on the group.
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Shameful indeed. I wasn't aware we planeswalked to London.
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