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Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

PureCyndaquil posted:

has anyone built the model kits for the knightmare frames in Akito? I've built Guren, Lancelot, and vincent. curious about the Alexander.

I haven't built any of them but I don't think I've heard a single positive review of them. They're sticker heavy and have problems with pieces falling off, apparently of course.

How is the Vincent by the way I've got a guren and lancelot and I'd like to know how it compares. I don't give a poo poo about rolo but his mech was cool.

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Aces High
Mar 26, 2010

Nah! A little chocolate will do




Ok I just finished watching all of Code Geass and my god I have a lot of :words: to say about it, if any one is still here. I may also be breaking a rule about inactivity but gently caress I don't see another Geass thread and I have to get this poo poo out.

A long time ago I was recommended to watch this because it has mechs and it's a "good" scifi anime. I was also recommended Evangelion but hearing loose stuff about that series and hearing almost nothing about this one I decided I'd check this one out instead. I honestly think that was for the best since it's made by the same company that made Gundam...even though I have never formally watched a single Gundam series.

I don't even know where to really start, I should've just done the smart thing and done a live posting because so much of the poo poo that ended up occurring I just ended up shouting at my desk or random things in my house (and texting some friends who had never seen the series so they were confused as gently caress too). I have to say that I had thought that over the course of the first series I had thought "ok this is interesting, Lelouch is certainly a child and is acting as such a lot of the time but gently caress you Suzaku and your loving Lancelot :argh: this is getting old" and during the more melodramatic parts it was like "holy poo poo this is an animated soap opera, but it's BETTER than a real soap opera" especially whenever Euphie would show up especially when she opens a channel to Suzaku and is all "I command you to love me" :allears: Christ I was actually super choked when Lelu hosed up and geassed her. I gotta say that I was surprised with all the T&A that was just causally being thrown around throughout the series and all of a sudden surprise flash from Kallen, with accompanying suggestive position of Suzaku restraining her...aren't these kids not adults? Well as one of my friends and I came to the conclusion, that's Japan for you.

Moving along from there we come to the end of the first series and whaaaaaaaaaaaat the fuuuuuuuuuuuuck just happened :psyduck: I mean that was a pretty good cliffhanger to do but hooooooly poo poo that loving wrecked me, and then the start to the new series god drat that was some good poo poo. I will say this before moving on to the discussion of the rest of the series but what the gently caress was up with the camera shots for people piloting knightmares? All the male pilots are just chilling in their captain chairs but all the girls are bent over like they're riding a crotch rocket bike? Complete with starting at their rear end at the beginning of the shot? Ok, ok, yes Japan but come on now.

Alright, alright I'll get back to the rest of the series, I really enjoyed watching Lelouch be a few steps from his competition, like with the "I am Spartacus" ploy, but it was also really cool to see him get pressed and again going into "oh gently caress I can't allow that to happen, it will RUIN EVERYTHING" mode whenever something went wrong. Also was kinda surprised that nothing ever came of Xingke's illness. All that posturing about "oh no he doesn't have long to live" but, well he's alive and well at the end of R2 so what even was the point? Hell it didn't even come into effect WHILE he was fighting, sure a couple times he looked like he was in pain but he still did fine and win in pretty much EVERY skirmish he got into. I say again, what the gently caress was the point of that trait. Still some times I wonder what would happen if Zero/Lelouch actually, I dunno, communicated with anyone outside of C.C., Kallen or, gently caress I guess that was it and it was more C.C. than anyone else. Seriously, outside of forcing drama what would he have really lost to bring in loving Tohdoh at the very least for most of his plans. Sure it's all well and good when everyone who is a soldier and has been in more campaigns for longer than these past 14 months all of a sudden goes "oh he's doing X, good planning there Zero I am now on board" but Jesus wept it gets boring after the 6th or 12th or you know what that was probably one of the only things that annoyed the poo poo out of me throughout the series. I am all for making it seem like the audience thinks "oh poo poo Zero might actually lose :ohdear:" every so often but I guaran-loving-tee you that the Black Knights wouldn't have bought Schneizel's bald faced lying if Zero actually kept a proper war council or at least SOMETHING.

However I suppose it makes sense that Lelouch of all people would not trust ANYone older than him or in some kind of a position of power considering how well that's worked out for him in the past. Of course that was something else I was gonna get into, how loving obvious Schneizel was with his scheming to get the Black Knights on side and against Lelouch but poo poo I think it's ok that he could easily dupe the Black Knight leaders. You know what happens when no one actually knows anything about you except that you're the only person who makes the plans work? Well you lose a lot of credibility when you don't have a plan B and you have to abandon a pinnacle battle for "reasons" as far as your soldiers are concerned. Of course the Geass ploy was a huge help too, again it worked in Schneizel's favour because Lelouch has never been honest with anyone outside of C.C. and some times Kallen, he couldn't even be honest with Suzaku about why Euphie died. No you didn't "use your Geass", you hosed up so just own up to that. Sure I guess Sazuku ended up on side in the end but for fucks sake unless Lelouch had some loving 20 step plan going (which he clearly didn't considering how surprised he was that Schneizel showed up) what real benefit did he have to continue lying to Suzaku? "Did you use your geass on Euhpie?" "I'm sorry Suzaku, I hosed up, it wasn't supposed to happen." poo poo I'll bet he never even told Suzaku the whole story in those whole two months that they were planning his "assassination", some friend.

I'm not really going to touch on what happened with the Emperor because those episodes I was just like "wait :stare: what the gently caress is happening :psyduck: what the gently caress was the point of all this build up over the past 40 episodes?" and when it was over and...you know I don't really understand why Lelouch just kept geassing people, I guess absolute power corrupts absolutely? but hell I agree with other people saying how could the keep calling Zero/Lelouch a monster when he wasn't the one detonating nuclear loving weapons!?!

I think I'm rambling at this point so I think I'll say more when I've digested the series more, guess that's what happens when you watch 2 or 3 episodes a night and then just turn on full "oh gently caress mode" and just power through 30 episodes over a 10 hour period. Also my post is starting to look like Anya's personnel file :v:

KoB
May 1, 2009
I'm pretty sure most/all the Black Knight knightmares are the crotchrocket cockpits and the Britannian knightmares are the sitting cockpits. It just focuses on Kallen a lot.

wielder
Feb 16, 2008

"You had best not do that, Avatar!"
KoB is right about that. They focused on her and one or two of the girls, but other Black Knight pilots had those cockpits as well. It's also curious to note how Sunrise actually had some degree of restraint back then, compared to what they're showing off in a couple of recent unrelated projects. I don't hate all fanservice with a passion, but they've gone too far lately.

Concerning the trust issues, Lelouch is the type of person who usually doesn't want to rely others and prefers to deal with burdens by himself, even if that comes back to bite him later on. He's quite used to thinking about most problems in a self-centered manner. Arguably, neither he nor Suzaku were really true friends at the beginning of the story, but just guys who were being cordial based on childhood nostalgia. Having said this, it is implied that they did sort everything out in the end, even if part of that was done off-screen for a couple of reasons.

------

Since the thread is up, here are some news updates.

-Akito Parts 3 and 4 have been scheduled for May and July 2015. Link

There are also some images from a new PV they haven't released publicly yet. Link

-The Code Geass: Oz the Reflection manga and photo story are continuing with a sequel. Link

They're starting to cover some early season two material. Vincent Gram is one of the new robots. Link

-Bizarrely, a random manga about Lelouch playing guitar is coming out. Amusing description. Link

wielder fucked around with this message at 00:32 on Oct 10, 2014

Aces High
Mar 26, 2010

Nah! A little chocolate will do




Oh definitely, after I posted it dawned on me it was something that happened with all the Black Knights, I guess I was just frustrated that most of the shots of the women pilots was rear end shots 70% of the time and it just kind of irked me after awhile. I mean, I love me some good T&A like any other hot blooded male but it just happened a bit too often as far as I was concerned, hence my pointing out of that one scene between Kallen and Suzaku.

Now that I think more on it Kallen's sexualization really did frustrate me. I don't watch a lot of anime, this being recommended to me was because I said I liked Cowboy Bebop and didn't want a huge series to work through, so I understand that Kallen's character design is pretty normal and probably pretty tame but I still didn't like it. That loving dress she was wearing while a prisoner? Her school uniform was more tasteful than that, hell her pilot suit and Black Knight uniform was more tasteful.

I don't mean to come off as seething with rage or "ah treat women with respek :bahgawd:" because I still enjoyed the series, I guess I just felt like Kallen could've been presented better is all

KoB
May 1, 2009

Aces High posted:

I don't mean to come off as seething with rage or "ah treat women with respek :bahgawd:" because I still enjoyed the series, I guess I just felt like Kallen could've been presented better is all

Its ok to like a thing and still criticize it :shrug:

But yeah, its a bummer. Half the time Kallen is a great strong female character who kicks tons of rear end and the other half they turn her into the damsel in distress and parade around her huge knockers.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

KoB posted:

Its ok to like a thing and still criticize it :shrug:

But yeah, its a bummer. Half the time Kallen is a great strong female character who kicks tons of rear end and the other half they turn her into the damsel in distress and parade around her huge knockers.

I think Kallen mostly does extremely well for the genre, which is kind of faint-rear end praise. She is fanserviced to hell and back and the China arc is basically making GBS threads all over her, but otherwise she mostly is treated extremely reasonably by mecha show standards. Her biggest 'damsel' moment (being captured after China) still involves her kicking the poo poo out of Suzaku and she's rescued by another female character followed by showing up to save Lelouch instead of vice-versa.

Like, faint praise indeed but she's at least allowed to do things and have badass moments and be cool which is a lot more than you can say about most characters of her archetype. It'd be even better if it wasn't tied to bunny outfits and the terrible Guren cockpit design.

wielder
Feb 16, 2008

"You had best not do that, Avatar!"
I guess that after Godannar, which had some decent female characters too despite also having probably three times more unnecessary fanservice than Code Geass in half as many episodes, that doesn't bother me unless it gets really terrible and creepy (to spell it out, see Cross Ange...or rather, don't).

John Carstairs
Nov 18, 2007
Space Detective
It really would have been pretty nice if she hadn't been captured at all and just continued to zoom around everywhere not-Shining Fingering things, even if she did have to show off said huge knockers to do it. I did like that she did at least get to win her final fight against Suzaku, even with his crazy Geass powers kicking into overdrive. Kind of made up for some of the other stuff that happened in R2.

Edit: I couldn't even get mad at Godannar. I just cackled like a maniac the entire time.

Aces High
Mar 26, 2010

Nah! A little chocolate will do




Going through the thread I notice a lot of people really don't like Suzaku and Ogri (that's the guy who becomes PM and marries Viletta right?) Aand I'm kinda curious as to why. I mean I'm not a huge fan of some of the things Suzaku did and like I said before his tendency in the 1st series to just act as an "I win" button got tiresome fast but I sure don't hate the guy. Thinking on it I don't think I hate any of the characters in this show, maybe that media guy and maybe Rolo but that might be more because he was written to kill Shirley. I think I'm more irked at the writers for that one because what really was the point of that except fridging her. The poor girl's been through enough poo poo

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Aces High posted:

Going through the thread I notice a lot of people really don't like Suzaku and Ogri (that's the guy who becomes PM and marries Viletta right?) Aand I'm kinda curious as to why. I mean I'm not a huge fan of some of the things Suzaku did and like I said before his tendency in the 1st series to just act as an "I win" button got tiresome fast but I sure don't hate the guy. Thinking on it I don't think I hate any of the characters in this show, maybe that media guy and maybe Rolo but that might be more because he was written to kill Shirley. I think I'm more irked at the writers for that one because what really was the point of that except fridging her. The poor girl's been through enough poo poo

Suzaku is a hypocritical douche who nuked a city and killed his father. All while pretending he was morally right. Ougi was incredibly incompetent, only kept his job because of his previous position, was in a relationship with a britannian agent, and then betrays zero the first chance he gets on the flimsiest evidence, as presented by the guy that's renowned for being a snake and he was actively fighting just hours before so that he can get away with sleeping with her. Suzaku at least realized he was wrong and ended up atoning in some ways for his sins. Ougi drat near dooms the revolution, and gets thousands of black knights and britannians killed in the fighting that followed and then gets a perfectly happy ending marrying Viletta, while the people who actually worked to make a better world are sacrificed.

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

I love this stupid loving franchise way too much and could give you a goddamn laundry list of each miniscule plot hole and lack of logic that work constantly to kneecap it, especially in R2, but if I went all in on that we'd be here forever. I will say, however, that as far as the fanservice goes Geass isn't that offensive? I mean, it is totally insane and constant about it, but it's not like it's just Kallen or whatever, it's practically every character in the franchise. See: audio dramas discussing Suzaku and Lelouch having splash fights and whipped cream wrestling matches, or, my personal favorite, Emperor Lelouch offering his knight a sword to kiss.

Maybe I should be bothered by the cold, merciless Sunrise capitalism at work but at that point we might as well start complaining about Gunpla (which this series certainly isn't a stranger to).

gently caress Suzaku.

Fake Edit: Also, Aces, make sure you read Nightmare of Nunally even if you don't touch any other spinoffs. It's the Revengeance to Code Geass' Metal Gear.

Real Edit: And if you just want to go all in on this dark, dark hole well then...

Rody One Half fucked around with this message at 02:29 on Oct 10, 2014

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012
Nightmare of Nunnally isn't worth reading even ironically. It's Code Geass with the things that make it interesting taken out and the bad parts of R2 increased.

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

Nope, Metal Gear Rising of Geass.



There's even people who can fight knightmares on foot. Several, in fact.

Aces High
Mar 26, 2010

Nah! A little chocolate will do




Oh no I totally get that about being servicey I just mean that it bothered me the way Kallen was being portrayed for some of them. I think what kind of weirded me out is that most of our characters are not adults and I'm not really used to this kind of a portrayal for characters that age. Maybe I should stop watching Avatar and watch more "high school" animes but I think that leads down a darker path than those fics you're linking me.

Honestly I don't know what my deal really is I think maybe I just didn't like that Kallen was designed to have boobs that rival most of the adult women she pals around with, it just comes off as fan baity to me and, frankly, kind of creepy. Doesn't matter if she were 30 years old but the fact that she is supposed to be like 16 or 17 does matter, to me.


Also outside of reading Nightmare, I should watch Nunally in Wonderland ro whatever it's called right?

wielder
Feb 16, 2008

"You had best not do that, Avatar!"
Nunnally in Wonderland has some amusing in-jokes with the characters and staff poking fun at themselves. I liked that well enough.

I get why some people tend to hate Suzaku, the narrative makes it all too easy, but he is necessary for the story to work. His presence and interference is one of the things that prevents Lelouch from becoming as boring and overpowered as someone like Tatsuya from Mahouka who always gets his way without significant trouble. Is there some hypocrisy to him? There is, but I think that makes him interesting when you can look at the big picture. His whole "white knight" role is a figurative mask, in contrast with Lelouch's literal one as Zero.

I don't remember most of Nightmare of Nunnally at this point, to be honest, but the increased craziness was fun at times, even though I will agree that it's less interesting as a whole. Probably better than Tales of the Alternate Shogunate or whatever that was called.

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

Aces High posted:

Oh no I totally get that about being servicey I just mean that it bothered me the way Kallen was being portrayed for some of them. I think what kind of weirded me out is that most of our characters are not adults and I'm not really used to this kind of a portrayal for characters that age. Maybe I should stop watching Avatar and watch more "high school" animes but I think that leads down a darker path than those fics you're linking me.

Honestly I don't know what my deal really is I think maybe I just didn't like that Kallen was designed to have boobs that rival most of the adult women she pals around with, it just comes off as fan baity to me and, frankly, kind of creepy. Doesn't matter if she were 30 years old but the fact that she is supposed to be like 16 or 17 does matter, to me.


Also outside of reading Nightmare, I should watch Nunally in Wonderland ro whatever it's called right?

I'm not sure how much value Wonderland will actually have for people who weren't following this while it aired and thus know all the little in-jokes, but it's a 30 minutes OVA so what have you got to lose I guess. There's also Akito, but Akito's not done and I've lost any faith in Sunrise's promises about it. Beyond that, dabble as you like, nothing else is required (unless you like Nunally, then read Renya). also read those fics

e: Oh yeah Strange Tales of Bakamatsu is TRAAAAASH. I'd sooner reread Suzaku of the Counterattack than glance at that garbage again.

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

wielder posted:

I get why some people tend to hate Suzaku, the narrative makes it all too easy, but he is necessary for the story to work. His presence and interference is one of the things that prevents Lelouch from becoming as boring and overpowered as someone like Tatsuya from Mahouka who always gets his way without significant trouble. Is there some hypocrisy to him? There is, but I think that makes him interesting when you can look at the big picture. His whole "white knight" role is a figurative mask, in contrast with Lelouch's literal one as Zero.
Yeah Suzaku is a good character. Making a character that's both good and detestable is a hard task and I think they did a hell of a job with Suzaku both in that you can see why he is the way he is and that he is a foil for Lelouche. Clearly a better character than Ougi who the makers want you to sympathize with even as he makes brain dead decisions and faces zero consequences for his actions.

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

Karen definitely gets skeezed on a lot, but she's awesome enough otherwise to make up for it. Also her body type is pretty much just the standard "Female Code Geass character" body type, so you can't really criticize her specifically for that. But she's a strong enough pilot (as a normal human being, to boot) to fight to a stand still a guy literally cursed to survive and who knows very well how to exploit that.

And Suzaku gets more hate than he deserves. He's a mirror to Lelouch, in that they're both "Ends justify the means" kinds of people, but you don't really get the same window into him that you do into Lelouch. Also his love interests weren't as cool as Lelouch's were. Should've gone after Cornelia, Suzaku!

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

Cornelia is the raddest racist who forgets about her racism around next to Jeremiah.

e: Realtalk though of the supposed "main characters" of R2 the worst is actually Gino, as much as I hate Suzaku.

Aces High
Mar 26, 2010

Nah! A little chocolate will do




chumbler posted:

Karen definitely gets skeezed on a lot, but she's awesome enough otherwise to make up for it. Also her body type is pretty much just the standard "Female Code Geass character" body type, so you can't really criticize her specifically for that. But she's a strong enough pilot (as a normal human being, to boot) to fight to a stand still a guy literally cursed to survive and who knows very well how to exploit that.

Like I said I am very likely just getting uncomfortable over nothing. Honestly I would probably be feeling more adjusted if I hadn't just spent 10 hours straight watching this. My thoughts on shows that I burn through tend to be more melodramatic and scattered than if I slowly digest a series over a couple weeks instead of binging, don't know why I decided to binge this time.

I'll be honest Kallen was definitely one of the stronger parts of the series for me so maybe the cheescake bits involving her just rubbed me the wrong way since I enjoyed her a lot more when she was kicking rear end in her Guren than when she was being manhandled in a bunny suit. I did also enjoy the high school parts because it lightened the mood and was campy enough for what they were trying to accomplish (not enough Arthur in R2 dammit :mad:)

Mordaedil
Oct 25, 2007

Oh wow, cool. Good job.
So?
Grimey Drawer
I like Suzaku because he's *that* guy who always plays a Paladin at D&D and always kills the orc baby because it is evil and has a history of being a general psychopath guised in Justice.

As for Xingke's illness, it was a bit of a red herring and an intended plot point, but that ended up not played out, because an alternate scenario played out better and became the script they went with.

There's a lot of those moments in Code Geass where it prepares you for the greatest tragedy early on so that you never know quite what to expect. There were a handful of scenes I remember that had odd slow-motion applied to them, making me think "oh, and there she gets shot", but it didn't happen. Either because they didn't want to traumatize the viewer further or because it was one of those "alternate path" scenarios.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

I think part of what made Kallen an outstanding character was that she didn't suffer a development rollback at the start of S2. Every one else was busy reenacting R1 in fast forward. Of course then she had to chill in a straight jacket for halve the season until everyone else had caught up.

Mordaedil
Oct 25, 2007

Oh wow, cool. Good job.
So?
Grimey Drawer
It's a bit funny that between the plug-suits and the bunny-outfit, the most demeaning thing we saw her in was a fancy dress.

It's almost clever.

Aces High
Mar 26, 2010

Nah! A little chocolate will do




Mordaedil posted:

There's a lot of those moments in Code Geass where it prepares you for the greatest tragedy early on so that you never know quite what to expect. There were a handful of scenes I remember that had odd slow-motion applied to them, making me think "oh, and there she gets shot", but it didn't happen. Either because they didn't want to traumatize the viewer further or because it was one of those "alternate path" scenarios.

They still killed off Shirley though :( and for what purpose? Lelouch temporarily freaks out at Rolo because he knows that's who shot her but other than that and when he's at her side he shows no emotion whatsoever. Was the whole point to show that he was so far gone that human lives and suffering had no effect on him anymore? I dunno I was enjoying where they were going with her and I was looking forward to her being back to her normal Series 1 self and honestly she actually was acting really well adjusted, and then she runs into Rolo

Irisize
Sep 30, 2014

wielder posted:

-Bizarrely, a random manga about Lelouch playing guitar is coming out. Amusing description. Link

What the hell? Where are they going with this?

wielder
Feb 16, 2008

"You had best not do that, Avatar!"

Irisize posted:

What the hell? Where are they going with this?

To a cruel destiny, of course. Where else?

Aces High posted:

Lelouch temporarily freaks out at Rolo because he knows that's who shot her but other than that and when he's at her side he shows no emotion whatsoever. Was the whole point to show that he was so far gone that human lives and suffering had no effect on him anymore?

It doesn't help her as a character, I will agree. They could have handled that sequence of events better, since those middle episodes seem to be in quite a rush, but I would say it had a cumulative effect on Lelouch. When it happens, he makes some bad decisions by acting out of rage and, for that matter, can't pretend to just go back to school to live a normal life anymore. To be honest, the girl had tragedy written all over her face since the first season. Even if the staff hadn't changed plans, I doubt she would suffer a kínder fate.

On the other hand, there's also the forgiveness angle. After getting over her initial confusión and paranoia, Shirley realized she didn't hate Lelouch in spite of what he had done. This fueled her misguided attempt to help him. That brief talk she had with Suzaku is actually referenced later on, perhaps a little too quickly to notice the first time around, and is also part of the reason why his mindset eventually changes.

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

The Shirley incident is when Lelouch decides Geass is a poison to be destroyed. Before that, he was implied to have been planning to seize VV and control the Directorate like he did Rolo.

...You'd think Euphie would have ALREADY covered the "magic is not a toy" angle but hey.

Aces High
Mar 26, 2010

Nah! A little chocolate will do




It's funny because while it makes sense and it sets off the chain of events of Lelouch destroying everything Geass related he still abuses his power any ways. Sure pretty much everyone who has a Geass (except the Knight of 1 but he got dealt with pretty easily all things considered) was dead but he still used his Geass on Nunally. But I suppose he figured it would be ok since he had the plan all figured out that he would make himself the most hated person on the planet to bring about peace. Although that does bring up another point about some people believing Lelouch took C.C.'s code and is actually alive somewhere with her, I don't buy that. The only person Lelouch ever loved more than himself and winning was Nunally and considering how shook up she was about his "death" it would be an extremely lovely thing for him to just go on living, especially since he was still conscious while she was freaking out.

Christ I think I'm gonna have to watch this series again to really straighten everything out. Although noticing the release dates for this show and since I would've been finishing high school when it was brand new and I had a better affinity regarding anime I wonder how my views on characters and stuff would've been then as opposed to now. I'd probably be ok with all that Kallen stuff I was griping about and asking for more :v:

Genocyber
Jun 4, 2012

Silver2195 posted:

Nightmare of Nunnally isn't worth reading even ironically. It's Code Geass with the things that make it interesting taken out and the bad parts of R2 increased.

Uh, Nightmare of Nunnally is awesome. It has Zero being Master Asia!

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

Silver has not been baptized in the light of Eden Vital.

Aces High
Mar 26, 2010

Nah! A little chocolate will do




man Milly is such a weird character, I mean I get that she's just around to stir poo poo up but some of the things she says and insinuates. It's so odd to see the "perv" character actually be a girl instead of some old man, even though I guess it's only something that comes up to get under peoples' skin

Paracelsus
Apr 6, 2009

bless this post ~kya

Aces High posted:

man Milly is such a weird character, I mean I get that she's just around to stir poo poo up but some of the things she says and insinuates. It's so odd to see the "perv" character actually be a girl instead of some old man, even though I guess it's only something that comes up to get under peoples' skin
That's far from unusual in anime. Kuruko from Railgun, Yuuko from Dusk Maiden, nearly the entire female casts of Seitokai Yakuindomo and B Gata H Kei, and a new character from Log Horizon are all examples.

Talvos
Mar 21, 2005

Aces High posted:

Although that does bring up another point about some people believing Lelouch took C.C.'s code and is actually alive somewhere with her, I don't buy that.

It was my understanding that people thought he had V.V.'s code. Either way, all of that stems from the scene of Lelouch defeating his parents and how that part of the plot made no sense. While it was airing, people couldn't decided if he got the code. And, if he did, did he get it on purpose? Was it a curse his father put on him? Was he even aware that it was given to him?

If any of that were to be true, then it must have been left over from an older storyboard that kept the series going for another season. Heck, maybe that was the plan, but then they realized the plot relating to that part was a bunch of nonsensical bullshit.

Aces High
Mar 26, 2010

Nah! A little chocolate will do




whoever's code it was I refuse to believe that Lelouch would be that much of an rear end in a top hat that he would continue living after witnessing the shock and trauma his "death" had caused Nunally.

Also also while I understand that the specific way Milly is acting is probably pretty common for anime the only animes I've seen are Chrno Crusade, Elfen Lied and Cowboy Bebop so I don't exactly have a whole lot of knowledge outside of sensationalizing that I see on the internet at large :v:

wielder
Feb 16, 2008

"You had best not do that, Avatar!"

Aces High posted:

whoever's code it was I refuse to believe that Lelouch would be that much of an rear end in a top hat that he would continue living after witnessing the shock and trauma his "death" had caused Nunally.

Even if he died, she still has to deal with the trauma and pain, one way or another, but that's also a part of growing up. Depending on her brother so much is just as immature as Lelouch's own previous obsession with her. Neither of them could go back to that stage.

Talvos posted:

If any of that were to be true, then it must have been left over from an older storyboard that kept the series going for another season. Heck, maybe that was the plan, but then they realized the plot relating to that part was a bunch of nonsensical bullshit.

I've always thought they should have split that into two episodes. I wouldn't say it's truly nonsensical, you can reconstruct the main points in retrospect (Charles denies reality and prefers escapism while Lelouch accepts the world and finds value in it, etc), but it does have plenty of mumbo-jumbo with all the magical terminology and rushed partial explanations they were trying to fit into the available time.

All the sequences involving the Code are rather ambiguous. But based on everything I've read about the subject and a few staff interviews...I really doubt anyone was planning the series to continue for another season, so I think there's not much of a possibility for that. Regardless of how you choose to interpret any particular scene or Lelouch's status at the end of the show, the fact is his personal tale has ended. I'm glad that they haven't fallen to the temptation of re-opening that issue.

wielder fucked around with this message at 21:16 on Oct 11, 2014

Yes_Cantaloupe
Feb 28, 2005

wielder posted:

:words: I'm glad that they haven't fallen to the temptation of re-opening that issue.

Yet!

Mordaedil
Oct 25, 2007

Oh wow, cool. Good job.
So?
Grimey Drawer
I kinda wish they did, just because it'd mean more Lelouch, more grandstanding and more Code Geass.

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

Mordaedil posted:

I kinda wish they did, just because it'd mean more Lelouch, more grandstanding and more Code Geass.

But then Sunrise would be in terrible danger of having a successful show not propped up entirely by models!

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Talvos
Mar 21, 2005
What you want more Geass? No, you get Guilty Crown. mwahaha

Edit: Also, when I say an 'earlier storyboard', I mean if it was ever considered for him to get the code then it was well before the second season hit production. If they had given him the code, I think it would have been like this: Lelouch loses final battle in R2 and 'dies'. Season 3 starts, Suzaku is MIA, and Lelouch is living alone with not motivation due to something Nunally would have done at the end of R2. By mid-season, The Black Knights are back together and Lelouch has given Geass to Suzaku and Karren. Then everyone has a magic mech fight. The end. It probably would have been a train wreck and the content would have been very similar to R2 due to their not being much more to do with the plot.

Talvos fucked around with this message at 22:38 on Oct 11, 2014

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