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Zorak posted:On the subject of eternal format bannings, there's a lot of people already asking for Treasure Cruise to be banned, which is kind of weird / quick. Sorcery speed Ancestral Recall: too good for modern and probably even legacy. But yeah, I pretty much called this when it was first spoiled. Especially considering there are 3 other cards that are already banned that Delvecestral is just better than. It really is an absurd card. Hopefully they at least let me test it before banning it; I haven't gotten to play modern recently and playing it off of Deathrite in legacy Jund seems too greedy even for me. Maybe I'll try BUG again.
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Oh god... So much shame... I played a swiss draft on mtgo, and I lost my first two matches against Abzan (I was playing Sultai). I blame basically all of my losses on my lands... I never had a starting hand with 3 or more lands I won the third match because the other worst player-person dropped out... So I got a polluted Delta, and a pack of khans, which I think means the draft paid for itself?
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Oct 10, 2014 06:17
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Gensuki posted:Oh god... So much shame... I played a swiss draft on mtgo, and I lost my first two matches against Abzan (I was playing Sultai). I blame basically all of my losses on my lands... I never had a starting hand with 3 or more lands Nope. MTGO prices (at least, on rares) tends to be pretty deflated in comparison to paper. Delta's just not going to be worth enough to cover the other 2 packs and 2 tickets.
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Oct 10, 2014 06:26
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I just did an extremely frustrating paper draft. I drafted BGUw, splashing for Siege Rhino and Abzan Charm. I had 4 trilands and 5 or 6 duals, so my mana was actually extremely consistent. I lost in the first round to a 4 color deck that I beat game 1, then he beat me game 2 with Abzan Guide with Molting Snakeskin and Dragon Grip attacched (and I had a 2/8 blocker). I couldn't draw an answer and it killed me. Then in the third game I drew 12 lands to 5 nonlands and he milled me out with Altar of the Brood + Bloodsoaked Champion. Then he dropped and I won my next 4 rounds. In my first three rounds, each of my opponents had Duneblast and Abzan Guides in their deck. This was my deck by the way: 2 Opulent Palace Mystic Monastery Frontier Bivouac Thornwood Falls 2 Scoured Barrens 2 Blossoming Sands 1 Island 4 Swamps 4 Forest Disowned Ancestor 2 Archer's Parapet Heir of the Wilds Smoke Teller Alpine Grizzly Siege Rhino Longshot Squad Sultai Soothsayer Rotting Mastodon Sagu Archer Pine Walker 2 Abomination of Gudul Kheru Lich-lord Shambling Attendants Debilitating Injury Disdainful Stroke Savage Punch Abzan Charm Sultai Ascendancy Dragonscale Boon Murderous Cut Treasure Cruise
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Oct 10, 2014 08:20
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The Lord of Hats posted:Nope. MTGO prices (at least, on rares) tends to be pretty deflated in comparison to paper. Delta's just not going to be worth enough to cover the other 2 packs and 2 tickets. 7 tickets for the land, then I got 1 pack which is...3 tickets? net loss of 4 tickets and some salt...
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Oct 10, 2014 09:51
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Didn't people want TNN banned right off the bat? Gotta let metas adjust before bannings.
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Oct 10, 2014 10:06
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TNN was overhyped. When it was new, you could sell them for the price of the deck.
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Oct 10, 2014 10:46
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Molybdenum posted:Didn't people want TNN banned right off the bat? Gotta let metas adjust before bannings. TNN doesn't kill on turn 2 before you can draw any card that stops it (Erase seems a little too deep) or through several cards that should stop it. And for what it's worth, I'd still be fine with TNN being banned. What a boring card.
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Oct 10, 2014 10:52
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suicidesteve posted:TNN doesn't kill on turn 2 before you can draw any card that stops it (Erase seems a little too deep) or through several cards that should stop it. And for what it's worth, I'd still be fine with TNN being banned. What a boring card. I should've clarified, I'm referring to cruise/dig in legacy.
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Oct 10, 2014 11:46
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Molybdenum posted:I should've clarified, I'm referring to cruise/dig in legacy. Oh, ok. Yeah it seems preemptive. I can definitely see it happening, but it's not like Ascendency where it's clearly overpowered and broken. It probably is too powerful but at least give people a chance to adjust. For my part, I'm going to play a Notion Thief main in BUG and Chains of Mephistofeles main in Jund over my 2nd Library (those 2 are a pretty sick nonbo together.) vvv: right, my point is the Ascendency is much more obvious. It's very clearly broken, uninteractive, and unfun to play against, as can be shown in numerous YouTube videos. Treasure Cruise isn't any of those things. It doesn't win on turn 2 or 3. It "wins" on turn 4 or 5. That gives you much more time to disrupt it. Too bad Deathrite is banned forever; he'd be a pretty good answer to The Delve Menace. Unban Skillbraid Elf while we're at it. I want to play Real Jund. suicidesteve fucked around with this message at 13:48 on Oct 10, 2014 |
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Cruise is much more overpowered than JA. I have a feeling that both legacy and modern will be split into decks that splash it and are successful and decks that don't, which will end up splashing or modifying for it. There are very few strategies that won't be completely buried by multiple one cc draw threes, and even fewer who won't benefit from it.
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Oct 10, 2014 12:51
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Standard Talk: Marshall and Loucks discussed the currently Holy Trinity (Moldy Trinity) being Elvish Mystic, Courser of Kruphix and Sylvan Caryatid. Then the talk came up of whether or not it was worth it to try and kill the T1 mystic, or just kill whatever they cast next. The question was posed, what cards can kill an early Mystic and during Twitter discussions Ulcerate came up. Now, while it does it (quite well, and kills T2 Fleecemanes) ... Do you think the card and the 3 life is worth it?
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Oct 10, 2014 14:19
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:Banlists are only updated when they release a new set. There was one exception a long time ago to the B+R announcement scheduling, when Memory Jar was emergency banned.
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Oct 10, 2014 14:37
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If an equipment, namely Ghostfire Blade, is enchanted by ensoul artifact, does it lose it's ability to equip to things?
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Oct 10, 2014 15:24
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Fingers McLongDong posted:If an equipment, namely Ghostfire Blade, is enchanted by ensoul artifact, does it lose it's ability to equip to things? Yes there is a rule somewhere that says creatures can't equip other creatures
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Oct 10, 2014 15:27
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Yes. Creatures can't be equipped to another creature. (Shut up Boon Satyr, you're bestowed!)
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Oct 10, 2014 15:27
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Dang. Testing out that Mono-U Robots standard decklist that top 8'd in Japan. It's actually a pretty fun deck.
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Oct 10, 2014 15:34
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Is the pro tour going to have live coverage today?
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Oct 10, 2014 15:37
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Yes, it will start this afternoon because Hawaii.
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Oct 10, 2014 15:39
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3PM Eastern I believe.
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Oct 10, 2014 15:53
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My friend is gonna be live blogging this thing. I'm looking forward to seeing how many people show up in "Hawaiian shirts." And maybe super secret tech. (TBF loose oxfords are really comfy)
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Oct 10, 2014 16:02
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Deckit posted:Yes. Creatures can't be equipped to another creature. Bestowed cards are actually typed as Enchantment - Aura while they're attached to a creature so as not to trigger that rule about creatures not being able to be attached to creatures. The type change ended up being very relevant when playing against Feast of Dreams in THS/BNG/JOU limited. Hmm... on his blog, MaRo was talking about if they bring back Bestow they would want to keep it within a single creature type. Could we be seeing the return of Licids in Magic Origins?
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Oct 10, 2014 16:07
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En Fuego posted:Standard Talk:
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Oct 10, 2014 16:11
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Is this a mix format PT?
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Oct 10, 2014 16:40
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meanolmrcloud posted:Is this a mix format PT? I think its going to start with draft and then its standard.
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Oct 10, 2014 16:41
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meanolmrcloud posted:Is this a mix format PT? They changed all PTs a couple of years back to be mixed format.
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Oct 10, 2014 16:46
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meanolmrcloud posted:Is this a mix format PT? Haven't they all been that way for a while now? Anyways, it's 3 rounds draft 5 rounds standard on both days.
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Oct 10, 2014 16:46
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The last one I remember being single format was when Cifka won with eggs, which dosent seem too long ago, but probably is.
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Oct 10, 2014 16:51
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meanolmrcloud posted:The last one I remember being single format was when Cifka won with eggs, which dosent seem too long ago, but probably is. Time flies. I still don't think of Oddysey as an old set 
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frameset posted:There was one exception a long time ago to the B+R announcement scheduling, when Memory Jar was emergency banned. True, but I think if ever a card deserved an emergency ban, that was it. What an absolutely absurd card. What were they thinking?
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Oct 10, 2014 16:58
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Reading the grogs.txt reminded me of the old Jace x Sorin image that was made. Does anyone still remember the goon who posted it? See if we can get a bunch made like was planned years ago. We can actually get a kick starter for it now that kick starter exists.
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Oct 10, 2014 17:03
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Fingers McLongDong posted:Dang. Testing out that Mono-U Robots standard decklist that top 8'd in Japan. It's actually a pretty fun deck. I've been trying it out as well, I've found it to be fun but wildly inconsistent. I wish there was video of that tournament so I could see what he was doing to make Daring Thief a good card. I'm thinking it might get better as more cards hit standard, it needs a few more artifact creatures or enablers to give it a little something. There is the highly entertaining two land, two Ornithopter, two Ensoul Artifact opening hand to make up for all the hands that are full of Chief Engineers, Springleaf Drums, and no gas.
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:True, but I think if ever a card deserved an emergency ban, that was it. What an absolutely absurd card. What were they thinking? urzasblock.txt Seriously though, the reason Jar needed an emergency ban isn't because it was so much more powerful than, say, Tolarian Academy, but it was because people were leaving the game after Urza's Saga and they wanted to nip that in the bud. Maro has said multiple times that the CEO of wotc called R&D into his office to yell at them during Urza's and that's the only time it's happened.
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So it seems they're waiting until October 22 to patch Pauper. Until then, here's a list of sweet cards that weren't legal, but now are: Strip Mine Hymn to Tourach Sinkhole High Tide Merchant Scroll Goblin Grenade Guerrilla Tactics Night Soil Sunken City Active Volcano//Flash Flood To be honest they could just ban High Tide, Strip Mine, Sinkhole, Hymn, and Grenade and let the others stand. Night Soil is a sweet card for the dredge deck, and nothing outside of those five would be too imbalanced. Also watch them cancel the Pauper dailies.
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meanolmrcloud posted:The last one I remember being single format was when Cifka won with eggs, which dosent seem too long ago, but probably is. No that was PT RTR and the unsung brilliance of his near-perfect performance was his 6-0 draft record. edit: although Day 1's draft was rounds 6-8, which made people dropping from the tournament awkward for pods.
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Oct 10, 2014 17:24
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:True, but I think if ever a card deserved an emergency ban, that was it. What an absolutely absurd card. What were they thinking?
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Elyv posted:urzasblock.txt True, but having played at the time, Memory Jar was orders of magnitude worse than anything else in the block. Tolarian Academy and Yawgmoth's Will are more powerful cards in Vintage, but within Type II at the time Memory Jar was far and away the worst thing they printed. The card enabled a deck with a 75+% Turn 1 win rate. Nothing else in the format was close to that degenerate.
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Oct 10, 2014 17:50
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:True, but I think if ever a card deserved an emergency ban, that was it. What an absolutely absurd card. What were they thinking? Didn't Skullclamp get an emergency ban as well like within a month after the set was released?
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Fish Of Doom posted:Didn't Skullclamp get an emergency ban as well like within a month after the set was released? Skullclamp didn't get banned for like 6 months, I'd link the banning article but I'm on my phone.
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:The card enabled a deck with a 75+% Turn 1 win rate. Nothing else in the format was close to that degenerate. What deck was that? I've seen Tolarian Academy decks that could win games consistently by Turn 3, and Turn 1 on very rare occasions, but I don't think even GrimJar was that degenerate, especially coming as it did after all the other banning.
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