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Cat Hassler
Feb 7, 2006

Slippery Tilde
Aw poo poo. I'm playing Icewind Dale 1 for the first time in 10 years and forgot that in old RPGs you aren't warned about getting rid of items you will need later. I dumped all the badges from beating bosses at some point and have no idea where I did it.

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Levitate
Sep 30, 2005

randy newman voice

YOU'VE GOT A LAFRENIÈRE IN ME

Keith Atherton posted:

Aw poo poo. I'm playing Icewind Dale 1 for the first time in 10 years and forgot that in old RPGs you aren't warned about getting rid of items you will need later. I dumped all the badges from beating bosses at some point and have no idea where I did it.

Look up how to enable the console and cheat them back into your inventory.

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.
Specifically, http://www.gamefaqs.com/pc/930017-icewind-dale-the-collection/faqs/8494 has all the info you need. Though you can ignore the bit about updating to the latest version assuming you have the GOG version.

anime tupac
Oct 25, 2010

stick your chest out, keep your head up, and handle it
I finally just started playing BG:EE and BG2:EE. I want to pick up the new characters but I'm kind of a snob when it comes to voice acting, are any of them really terrible?

I haven't left Candlekeep yet but I'm looking forward to the archetypal beginning-of-baldur's-gate experience, which is either getting killed by that loving wolf or this

MegaGatts
Dec 12, 2004

The Enteroctopus dofleini, also known as the giant Pacific octopus (GPO) or North Pacific giant octopus, is a large marine cephalopod belonging to the phylum Mollusca and is tripping balls.

anime tupac posted:

I finally just started playing BG:EE and BG2:EE. I want to pick up the new characters but I'm kind of a snob when it comes to voice acting, are any of them really terrible?

I haven't left Candlekeep yet but I'm looking forward to the archetypal beginning-of-baldur's-gate experience, which is either getting killed by that loving wolf or this



A lot of people don't like Neera. I think the va does a good job, but the lines she has to work with aren't that good.

Dootman
Jun 15, 2000

fishbulb

anime tupac posted:

I finally just started playing BG:EE and BG2:EE. I want to pick up the new characters but I'm kind of a snob when it comes to voice acting, are any of them really terrible?

I haven't left Candlekeep yet but I'm looking forward to the archetypal beginning-of-baldur's-gate experience, which is either getting killed by that loving wolf or this



Imoen is the worst in my opinion. Most of the others are pretty good.

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009

anime tupac posted:

I haven't left Candlekeep yet but I'm looking forward to the archetypal beginning-of-baldur's-gate experience, which is either getting killed by that loving wolf or this



So sayeth the wise Alaundo.

anime tupac
Oct 25, 2010

stick your chest out, keep your head up, and handle it
I think I'll just pick up all the new people even if they're grating, it'll be nice to have some fresh content while replaying this for like the fifth time.

I see there's a mod for weapon sets, has anyone used that? I like to put one point in a ranged weapon in BG1 just because they're so useful, but on any character who dual-wields or uses a shield it's a pain to constantly go into the inventory to switch back and forth

edit: I just ran into Neera and I see what you mean. Her VA is perfectly fine but she's obviously going to be the lol random jokes wild mage. I've never used one though so this is all new content to me!

anime tupac fucked around with this message at 09:47 on Oct 9, 2014

Dootman
Jun 15, 2000

fishbulb

anime tupac posted:

I think I'll just pick up all the new people even if they're grating, it'll be nice to have some fresh content while replaying this for like the fifth time.

I see there's a mod for weapon sets, has anyone used that? I like to put one point in a ranged weapon in BG1 just because they're so useful, but on any character who dual-wields or uses a shield it's a pain to constantly go into the inventory to switch back and forth

edit: I just ran into Neera and I see what you mean. Her VA is perfectly fine but she's obviously going to be the lol random jokes wild mage. I've never used one though so this is all new content to me!

I can't stand Neera. But it is worth mentioning that if you aren't modding, she has the only gem bag in the whole game. So have her join up, take it, and tell her to get stuffed.

MegaGatts
Dec 12, 2004

The Enteroctopus dofleini, also known as the giant Pacific octopus (GPO) or North Pacific giant octopus, is a large marine cephalopod belonging to the phylum Mollusca and is tripping balls.

Dootman posted:

I can't stand Neera. But it is worth mentioning that if you aren't modding, she has the only gem bag in the whole game. So have her join up, take it, and tell her to get stuffed.

Her personal quest also has the only scroll of stoneskin in the game. Worth keeping her for a completionist run.

peak debt
Mar 11, 2001
b& :(
Nap Ghost

Keith Atherton posted:

Aw poo poo. I'm playing Icewind Dale 1 for the first time in 10 years and forgot that in old RPGs you aren't warned about getting rid of items you will need later. I dumped all the badges from beating bosses at some point and have no idea where I did it.

I threw away the toy gun in New Vegas and only found out like a real life year later that it was used for the ion cannon attack so it's not limited to old games either :(

JustJeff88
Jan 15, 2008

I AM
CONSISTENTLY
ANNOYING
...
JUST TERRIBLE


THIS BADGE OF SHAME IS WORTH 0.45 DOUBLE DRAGON ADVANCES

:dogout:
of SA-Mart forever

MegaGatts posted:

Her personal quest also has the only scroll of stoneskin in the game. Worth keeping her for a completionist run.

I believe that there is one more somewhere else, but I don't remember where and apart from that I did that very thing; did her quest and sent her off. I don't like the LOL RANDOM element of Wild Mages that so many people seem to like, but I do enjoy unusual specialist mages like Abjurers and the like.

Dootman
Jun 15, 2000

fishbulb
There's another one on the last guy in the ice island dungeon that Shandolar sends you to.

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

YEEEEESSSSSSSSSSS OMNIPRESENT AUTHORITY FIGURRRRRRRRRE??????

Neera is only as annoying as your tolerance for "quirky" characters allows for. I do think she had the funniest line in Baldur's Gate 2, though. When you meet her again in the random city map and she comments about the barrels full of water. I laughed at that one.

Pwnstar
Dec 9, 2007

Who wants some waffles?

Baldur's Gate is a dumb and wacky game about half the time so I don't really see how Neera is so much worse. I wish there was an option to say "Hey I'm a wild mage too you know" in her quests though.

JustJeff88
Jan 15, 2008

I AM
CONSISTENTLY
ANNOYING
...
JUST TERRIBLE


THIS BADGE OF SHAME IS WORTH 0.45 DOUBLE DRAGON ADVANCES

:dogout:
of SA-Mart forever

Dootman posted:

There's another one on the last guy in the ice island dungeon that Shandolar sends you to.

Wow, unless they changed it that means that there wasn't a scroll of Stoneskin at all in pre-expansion original BG. I must be mistaken, because that's a key protection spell and I'm sure that single-class mages could get to at least level 7 before hitting 89k experience.

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

A bracing glass of carrot juice!
You get to just below level 8 in 89kxp

Sleep of Bronze
Feb 9, 2013

If I could only somewhere find Aias, master of the warcry, then we could go forth and again ignite our battle-lust, even in the face of the gods themselves.

JustJeff88 posted:

Wow, unless they changed it that means that there wasn't a scroll of Stoneskin at all in pre-expansion original BG. I must be mistaken, because that's a key protection spell

Nah, none of it. The developers didn't think it was 'key' enough to put in, and I think I agree for the level range of BG1. It's a very useful spell that enables cool/fun/expected strategies for mid-high campaigns like BG2, but the buff tank of doom is so much less of a thing at ~7th level.

There's probably also something to be said about them not thinking over the available spell selection beyond 3rd, though. Your spellbook is super scrappy and esoteric for 4th and 5th order spells for 99% of BG1.

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

Sleep of Bronze posted:

Nah, none of it. The developers didn't think it was 'key' enough to put in, and I think I agree for the level range of BG1. It's a very useful spell that enables cool/fun/expected strategies for mid-high campaigns like BG2, but the buff tank of doom is so much less of a thing at ~7th level.

There's probably also something to be said about them not thinking over the available spell selection beyond 3rd, though. Your spellbook is super scrappy and esoteric for 4th and 5th order spells for 99% of BG1.

If I remember correctly they increased the level cap pretty late in production because they realized they had a huge amount of content. God I remember reading their forums before the game came out.

netcat
Apr 29, 2008

Pwnstar posted:

Baldur's Gate is a dumb and wacky game about half the time so I don't really see how Neera is so much worse. I wish there was an option to say "Hey I'm a wild mage too you know" in her quests though.

I guess the difference is that everyone is used to the old dumb and wacky and so Neera's new dumb and wacky is just grating.

Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009

Skwirl posted:

If I remember correctly they increased the level cap pretty late in production because they realized they had a huge amount of content. God I remember reading their forums before the game came out.

Hahah, me too! That was like fifteen million years ago.

anime tupac
Oct 25, 2010

stick your chest out, keep your head up, and handle it

netcat posted:

I guess the difference is that everyone is used to the old dumb and wacky and so Neera's new dumb and wacky is just grating.

I quit playing after I made that last post so I haven't seen much more of her yet, but so far she doesn't irritate me too much. I don't know, whether someone pisses you off seems to be a really individual thing. For example it took me three separate attempts to finally finish NWN 2 because poo poo like this makes me want to commit suicide


e: I was going to ask if rasaad is worth it, because he seems kind of iffy, but literally the first google search result for "rasaad bg" is a thread entitled "Rasaad Sucks"

anime tupac fucked around with this message at 03:57 on Oct 10, 2014

Pwnstar
Dec 9, 2007

Who wants some waffles?

Rasaad gets obscenely powerful in BG2 for what its worth.

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

A bracing glass of carrot juice!

Skippy McPants posted:

Hahah, me too! That was like fifteen million years ago.

I was recently clearing out my dad's garage and found an old copy of PC Gamer which had a big preview for BG1. Obviously I thought it was important enough to keep (also featured: a review of Half Life. What a time to be alive!)

MegaGatts
Dec 12, 2004

The Enteroctopus dofleini, also known as the giant Pacific octopus (GPO) or North Pacific giant octopus, is a large marine cephalopod belonging to the phylum Mollusca and is tripping balls.

anime tupac posted:

I quit playing after I made that last post so I haven't seen much more of her yet, but so far she doesn't irritate me too much. I don't know, whether someone pisses you off seems to be a really individual thing. For example it took me three separate attempts to finally finish NWN 2 because poo poo like this makes me want to commit suicide


e: I was going to ask if rasaad is worth it, because he seems kind of iffy, but literally the first google search result for "rasaad bg" is a thread entitled "Rasaad Sucks"

He's unabashedly awful in BG1 but his personal quest has a really good item in it and I like him as a character.

Tzarnal
Dec 26, 2011

Pwnstar posted:

Rasaad gets obscenely powerful in BG2 for what its worth.

Rasaad is actually not nearly as bad as he used to be in BG1 due to his new kit. It really escalates in BG2 and into ToB though as the improved damage of the kit stacks up with the general monk powers.

DeathChicken
Jul 9, 2012

Nonsense. I have not yet begun to defile myself.

Neera has what I felt was the best line in the game, about how Charname fought against his evil heritage by wandering the countryside killing everything he saw.

Devil Wears Wings
Jul 17, 2006

Look ye upon the wages of diet soda and weep, for it is society's fault.
I've been playing and re-playing the IE games at irregular intervals since they first came out 15-ish years ago, and I've only now, after playing them back-to-back, realized how much better Icewind Dale is than BG1. IWD is more tonally consistent (BG could never quite settle on being either a serious D&D adventure or a parody of one), better written despite having less text, far more balanced, better paced, and much prettier. Oh, and it has the superior soundtrack of the two.

So happy that it's getting the EE treatment, though I hope Beamdog don't screw up too much.

JustJeff88
Jan 15, 2008

I AM
CONSISTENTLY
ANNOYING
...
JUST TERRIBLE


THIS BADGE OF SHAME IS WORTH 0.45 DOUBLE DRAGON ADVANCES

:dogout:
of SA-Mart forever

Devil Wears Wings posted:

I've been playing and re-playing the IE games at irregular intervals since they first came out 15-ish years ago, and I've only now, after playing them back-to-back, realized how much better Icewind Dale is than BG1. IWD is more tonally consistent (BG could never quite settle on being either a serious D&D adventure or a parody of one), better written despite having less text, far more balanced, better paced, and much prettier. Oh, and it has the superior soundtrack of the two.

So happy that it's getting the EE treatment, though I hope Beamdog don't screw up too much.

Me too. Looking forward to it, but I'm not sure if it's a Day 1 purchase for me due to Beamdog's buggy initial releases and their incredible slowness to patch. Still waiting on 1.3 (I think?) for BG2EE.

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

Devil Wears Wings posted:

I've been playing and re-playing the IE games at irregular intervals since they first came out 15-ish years ago, and I've only now, after playing them back-to-back, realized how much better Icewind Dale is than BG1. IWD is more tonally consistent (BG could never quite settle on being either a serious D&D adventure or a parody of one), better written despite having less text, far more balanced, better paced, and much prettier. Oh, and it has the superior soundtrack of the two.

So happy that it's getting the EE treatment, though I hope Beamdog don't screw up too much.

First time around I wasn't too big on Baldur's Gate but after playing it again, I really appreciated the tone and design of it. It really focuses on the macro adventure and it does feel like one compared to Baldur's Gate 2's micro adventure focus. I also found Sarevok a more compelling villain. His plans were much more elaborate and it was fun discovering them as the story went on.

Karmalaa70
Jun 15, 2006

JustJeff88 posted:

Me too. Looking forward to it, but I'm not sure if it's a Day 1 purchase for me due to Beamdog's buggy initial releases and their incredible slowness to patch. Still waiting on 1.3 (I think?) for BG2EE.

They said the patch would be out by Christmas, which would be 13 months since release. Slowness doesn't even cover it, glacial is more apt.

I did end up pre-ordering IWDEE though. After the announcement of the EE, I installed IWD on my computer and it didn't run very well, even using various ddraw fixes so I figured why not. I look forward to playing it in 2017 when it's fully patched.

JustJeff88
Jan 15, 2008

I AM
CONSISTENTLY
ANNOYING
...
JUST TERRIBLE


THIS BADGE OF SHAME IS WORTH 0.45 DOUBLE DRAGON ADVANCES

:dogout:
of SA-Mart forever

Karmalaa70 posted:

I look forward to playing it in 2017 when it's fully patched.

Whoa, whoa, whoa... 2017?! What do you think this is, the fast-forward universe?! Learn to set some realistic expectations.

In this case, though, I'm calling it just plain greed. They know that IWDEE will make them a nice packet, but patching BG2EE doesn't earn tuppence, so I'm sure that almost all of their resources (and yes, I know that BeamDog is a quite small company) are oriented towards their cash cow.

klaphark
Mar 10, 2013
Allright so I'm playing baldur's gate 2 for the first time and I just killed the guy who supposedly killed Anomen's sister. During the quest I realised this was apparently an evil choice and now I get jumped by the wizard police and get absolutely destroyed. What gives?

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

klaphark posted:

Allright so I'm playing baldur's gate 2 for the first time and I just killed the guy who supposedly killed Anomen's sister. During the quest I realised this was apparently an evil choice and now I get jumped by the wizard police and get absolutely destroyed. What gives?

You got jumped by the wizard police because you cast mage spells during the fight. Your choice of paying a bunch of gold for a casting license or fighting the Cowled Wizards until you beat their SWAT team and they leave you alone.

Killing the guy who supposedly killed Anomen's sister means Anomen will turn CN and not get +2 Wisdom. He'll also fight Aerie and Keldorn and generally be a jackass from here on out.

Sleep of Bronze
Feb 9, 2013

If I could only somewhere find Aias, master of the warcry, then we could go forth and again ignite our battle-lust, even in the face of the gods themselves.
The wizard police shouldn't be related. I'm fairly sure you don't lose rep for killing Saerk's daughter, and it's inside so you're not triggering their magic ban. It's probably something else you've done.

klaphark
Mar 10, 2013
I'm not sure it's the 'no magic allowed' police, I got attacked and there was a message like 'word of your misdeeds must have reached them' or whatever. There was also no option to buy a magic license.

Edit: I did kill the cook and the commoner inside, apparently this gives you a big reputation drop. Could this be the reason? And is there anyway to run away from these guys and fix my reputation?

klaphark fucked around with this message at 23:29 on Oct 10, 2014

Angry Lobster
May 16, 2011

Served with honor
and some clarified butter.
It's also possible you have a very low reputation, IIRC with a rep of 3 or less you will get jumped by Cowled Wizards goons or Paladins regularly.

Edit: Ok, it's probably something like that then, reload to a prior state or go to a church and throw money at them to improve your reputation and try not to kill any more peasants, even if they turn hostile.

Angry Lobster fucked around with this message at 23:33 on Oct 10, 2014

RaspberrySea
Nov 29, 2004

klaphark posted:

I'm not sure it's the 'no magic allowed' police, I got attacked and there was a message like 'word of your misdeeds must have reached them' or whatever. There was also no option to buy a magic license.

Edit: I did kill the cook and the commoner inside, apparently this gives you a big reputation drop. Could this be the reason? And is there anyway to run away from these guys and fix my reputation?

You have to buy a magic license in the government district, not from the wizard cops that show up to shut you down.

klaphark
Mar 10, 2013
It was a reputation thing, I ended up reloading and telling Anomen to go to the cops. Then later I talked to a cutpurse and Anomen just tried to kill him. Then I explored the bridge district for a bit and stumbled on an elemental lich? My party died in 3 spells or something.

This game is cool and I'm enjoying it.

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anime tupac
Oct 25, 2010

stick your chest out, keep your head up, and handle it

klaphark posted:

It was a reputation thing, I ended up reloading and telling Anomen to go to the cops. Then later I talked to a cutpurse and Anomen just tried to kill him. Then I explored the bridge district for a bit and stumbled on an elemental lich? My party died in 3 spells or something.

This game is cool and I'm enjoying it.

BG2 is just packed with fun poo poo to stumble upon without even meaning to. It's cool to see someone playing it for the first time, I think everyone in this thread misses that and wishes they could see it that way again. It was the first non-JRPG I played and I really loved it.

BG1 question: I don't want to read too much about how his quest plays out because I'd rather just have it all happen unexpectedly, but when does Rasaad's quest stuff begin? I've been getting dialogue with him and all that, and I assume eventually we're going to run into something that constitutes a quest, but I don't want to miss it (and I also don't want to have to drag his frail carcass through 90% of the game or anything either). I'm only doing the Nashkel mines, nowhere near BG yet.

e: haha I love that Dorn's way of expressing that he's tired is to insist that you look tired.

anime tupac fucked around with this message at 07:53 on Oct 13, 2014

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