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Shaggar posted:you cant prove an instance of discrimination with generic statistics. true. its me im the one giving all women lower wages
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suspicious donkey! posted:true. its me im the one giving all women lower wages stop!!!!!!!!!
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duTrieux. posted:You know, the thing that perhaps most influenced me in terms of how do you look at the journey or a career. There was this guy, his name is Mike Naples, he was the president of Microsoft when I joined and he had this saying that all HR systems are long-term efficient, short-term inefficient. And I thought that this phrase captured it. what is this poo poo about women who don't ask for raises have superpowers supposed to mean? like i get that he really just wants women to stfu about equal pay but i dont get how that even works as an empty platitude
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Oct 10, 2014 17:10
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:what is this poo poo about women who don't ask for raises have superpowers supposed to mean? like i get that he really just wants women to stfu about equal pay but i dont get how that even works as an empty platitude
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Oct 10, 2014 17:11
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:what is this poo poo about women who don't ask for raises have superpowers supposed to mean? like i get that he really just wants women to stfu about equal pay but i dont get how that even works as an empty platitude do you remember the hit book the secret by rhonda r.r. byrne‽
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Oct 10, 2014 17:13
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:what is this poo poo about women who don't ask for raises have superpowers supposed to mean? like i get that he really just wants women to stfu about equal pay but i dont get how that even works as an empty platitude not having self-awareness must own
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Oct 10, 2014 17:19
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mod sassinator posted:a sentient master AI should make all hiring decisions for every company in the world yeah the Sexist Computron 2000 will surely sort out these problems
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Oct 10, 2014 17:27
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graph posted:not having self-awareness must own
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Oct 10, 2014 17:30
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:yeah the Sexist Computron 2000 will surely sort out these problems Have you any idea how it feels to be a fembot living in a manbot's manputer's world?
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Oct 10, 2014 17:44
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duTrieux. posted:all salaries, pay scales, etc are to be posted in a location visible to all employees, same as the current legal rights documents. peg the statue of limitations for discrimination claims to the date of discovery. require annual statistical audits of the salaries within a company as part of the normal financials. yeah that would help discovery, but then it still becomes discrimination vs quality of work. if its a single instance then you're never going to win, but if its widespread in a company it would probably be pretty easy. also it would likely cause a short term reduction in the number of women hired, but it would be better over the long term as hiring women becomes unavoidable and they expect to come in at existing salary levels
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Oct 10, 2014 18:23
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:what is this poo poo about women who don't ask for raises have superpowers supposed to mean? like i get that he really just wants women to stfu about equal pay but i dont get how that even works as an empty platitude pretty sure it means "i'll say loving anything to get those selfish money-grubbing bitches to stop hassling me about how they're not getting raises no matter how well they're performing, why can't they just have faith that, like god, I will eventually forgive them for the sin of not being men and grant them a pittance as a reward for not bothering me?" he's trying to couch it as a motivational speech but it's not working, at all. holy poo poo it's bad, there is just no way to defend that
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Oct 10, 2014 18:49
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im pro mandatory paternity leave. if both mom and dad have to take a break when they have a kid, theres one less reason to discriminate against young women.
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Oct 10, 2014 18:50
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Snapchat A Titty posted:im pro mandatory paternity leave. if both mom and dad have to take a break when they have a kid, theres one less reason to discriminate against young women. getting back to what i was saying earlier, we have that here but not at the same rate. there's a few different ways to do it, there's maternity leave, paternity leave, and parental leave (an amount divvied up by the parents however they want). in my case my wife's getting 52 weeks at like 75 or 70% of her original earnings (starts at 75 and drops to 70 i think after 2 months or something) and i get 5 weeks at 70%, i can take them in weekly chunks anytime in the first year as long as i work it out with my employer (they have to give me that time somehow but have a say in when/how it happens, like a friend of mine had a very bureaucratic job and had to take it all in one go). there are other plans where you're off for less time but they give you a higher percentage and it works out to roughly the same amount.
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Oct 10, 2014 19:17
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Shaggar posted:yeah that would help discovery, but then it still becomes discrimination vs quality of work. if its a single instance then you're never going to win, but if its widespread in a company it would probably be pretty easy. it wouldn't be a perfect solution, but i'm an optimist in that i believe policy changes can influence and guide personal behavior over time
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Oct 10, 2014 20:08
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:what is this poo poo about women who don't ask for raises have superpowers supposed to mean? like i get that he really just wants women to stfu about equal pay but i dont get how that even works as an empty platitude it generates good karma ffs its clear as day
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Oct 10, 2014 20:11
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okay someone pls tell me why its impossible to talk about computers without talking about women nowadays
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Oct 10, 2014 20:13
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it's not?
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Oct 10, 2014 20:19
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it's impossible to talk about computer companies without talking about women, though
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Oct 10, 2014 20:19
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so maybe slice that onion a little finer, y'know?
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Oct 10, 2014 20:19
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dem broads keep flappin their gums
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Oct 10, 2014 20:21
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univbee posted:getting back to what i was saying earlier, we have that here but not at the same rate. there's a few different ways to do it, there's maternity leave, paternity leave, and parental leave (an amount divvied up by the parents however they want). in my case my wife's getting 52 weeks at like 75 or 70% of her original earnings (starts at 75 and drops to 70 i think after 2 months or something) and i get 5 weeks at 70%, i can take them in weekly chunks anytime in the first year as long as i work it out with my employer (they have to give me that time somehow but have a say in when/how it happens, like a friend of mine had a very bureaucratic job and had to take it all in one go). there are other plans where you're off for less time but they give you a higher percentage and it works out to roughly the same amount. here in denmark its a bit of a mess. 4 last weeks of pregnancy the woman can take leave, then she gets 14 weeks maternity leave after the birth, wherein the man gets 2 weeks paternity leave. on top of those, there are 32 weeks of leave that the couple can split between them. theyre actually entitled to 32 weeks each, but only 32 total are paid (so they can split 16/16 paid or maybe both do 32 weeks but only one of them gets paid). if your contract doesnt specify full pay, youre guaranteed a rate thats based on your hourly salary, maxing out at around 700 usd per week
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Snapchat A Titty posted:here in denmark its a bit of a mess. 4 last weeks of pregnancy the woman can take leave, then she gets 14 weeks maternity leave after the birth, wherein the man gets 2 weeks paternity leave. on top of those, there are 32 weeks of leave that the couple can split between them. theyre actually entitled to 32 weeks each, but only 32 total are paid (so they can split 16/16 paid or maybe both do 32 weeks but only one of them gets paid). if your contract doesnt specify full pay, youre guaranteed a rate thats based on your hourly salary, maxing out at around 700 usd per week microsoft
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Oct 10, 2014 20:23
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I like how Nadella said something that no competent CEO would ever say in public at a heavily publicized event specifically talking about income inequality for women working in tech. The only way he could have hosed up more is if he stood up, unzipped his fly, and exposed his dick to everyone in the audience while saying "I GOT YOUR KARMA RIGHT HERE, LADIES."
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G-III posted:I like how Nadella stood up, unzipped his fly, and exposed his dick to everyone in the audience. same, op
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Oct 10, 2014 20:24
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G-III posted:I like how Nadella said something that no competent CEO would ever say in public at a heavily publicized event specifically talking about income inequality for women working in tech. "you have to give him a break, he comes from a different culture"
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Oct 10, 2014 20:25
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nadella is an incompetant shitheel, if he wasn't he would have been fired long ago for potentially threatening ballmer's throne
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Oct 10, 2014 20:26
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i think he was literally talking about HR systems and having pay scales for every position and how u will move to the top of it given enough time
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Oct 10, 2014 20:29
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raruler posted:"you have to give him a break, he comes from a different culture" Yes a culture that is now famous for world wide news coverage about its frequent massive gang rapes of women.
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cremnob posted:i think he was literally talking about HR systems and having pay scales for every position and how u will move to the top of it given enough time yes he was in response to a question about income inequality and yes it was really stupid what's your point
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Oct 10, 2014 20:33
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Blackula69 posted:yes he was in response to a question about income inequality and yes it was really stupid it was in response to how to ask for a raise and women being uncomfortable asking for them
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Oct 10, 2014 20:38
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G-III posted:I like how Nadella i like how that, as well OP.
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Oct 10, 2014 20:41
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cremnob posted:it was in response to how to ask for a raise and women being uncomfortable asking for them oh then it perfectly acceptable to say that women should not ask for raises
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Oct 10, 2014 20:42
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Snapchat A Titty posted:oh then it perfectly acceptable to say that women should not ask for raises he said that as a response to the interviewer saying she was uncomfortable asking for raises and he basically tried to give a nerdy solution to nnot having to be uncomfortable
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Oct 10, 2014 20:49
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go to 1h33m http://gracehopper.org/2014-grace-hopper-celebration-thursday-livestream/
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Oct 10, 2014 20:51
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cremnob posted:go to 1h33m no
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Oct 10, 2014 20:53
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yeah, seriously
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Oct 10, 2014 21:03
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its microsoft, i'm sure asking for a raise is an automatic 4
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Oct 10, 2014 21:04
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Snapchat A Titty posted:oh then it perfectly acceptable to say that women should not ask for raises
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Oct 10, 2014 21:05
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He should have said to go get a new job because that's literally the only way anyone gets a raise in tech
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maybe if those women spent less time asking for raises and more time working hard they'd get that raise after all
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