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Baloogan posted:Yeah, I've been disappointed that Europe is willing to just forget about 300 folks. You kill 3 americans in the desert and you get a multinational bombing campaign, kill 300 euros and you get what amounts to no response. If Europe wants to create a common 'european' identity one of the first things you have to do is defend it. ISIS don't have nukes.
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Baloogan posted:EU nations have nukes too. But we're (probably) not crazy enough to actually use them. I don't have the same level of certainty in the matter when it comes to the Russians, though.
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StandardVC10 posted:In the USA, "Cletus" is sort of a stereotypical dumbass-yokel name, plus "ovski" to make it Russian.
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Poroshenko signed the lustration law yesterday. https://twitter.com/poroshenko/status/520189604260249600 Donetsk airport is still being shelled. People have seen smoke in the past hour.   
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TeodorMorozov posted:These Ukrainians just realised that their country no longer will get russian natural gas for free. Now only Europe or US will feed them all I'll just place this here.
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Karmalis posted:I'll just place this here. Some people actually got a few days in jail for that....
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OddObserver posted:Some people actually got a few days in jail for that.... I haven't noticed any reports on the jail thing. Just investigations by the Belarusian KGB. Or did I miss something?
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TeodorMorozov posted:These Ukrainians just realised that their country no longer will get russian natural gas for free. Now only Europe or US will feed them all I enjoy the lack of actual populi in those demonstrations, as the procession moves through the city. Rarely anyone even appears on the sidewalk, let alone forming a support crowd. Just columns of quiet participants, silently shuffling in their designated formations, wearing their designated t-shirts. RT is trying so hard to make it look good, but private footage on YouTube tell a different story.
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OddObserver posted:Some people actually got a few days in jail for that.... Actually - 2+ weeks 
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Karmalis posted:I haven't noticed any reports on the jail thing. Just investigations by the Belarusian KGB. Or did I miss something? http://interfax.com.ua/news/general/228007.html Also: 
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I just read a news article about milk production in Germany. Apparently our prices on milk and stuff made from milk were on a record-high earlier this year. Now discounters have pointed to the Russian embargo on milk and slashed prices far enough they're 40% lower then at the beginning of the year. Right now those lower prices are slowly given out to us, the consumers. Some chains like Aldi have already reduced the endprice for cheese and cream by 13%. So I wanted to say thank you, Russia, for helping our poor buy cheap milk and cheese. We're appreciating your efforts to help. Hopefully the embargo goes on for a few months longer, so our discounters can make mad money with very slowly dropping prices. Everyone benefits!  The article. Libluini fucked around with this message at 14:04 on Oct 10, 2014 |
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Libluini posted:I just read a news article about milk production in Germany. Apparently our prices on milk and stuff made from milk were on a record-high earlier this year. Now discounters have pointed to the Russian embargo on milk and slashed prices far enough they're 40% lower then at the beginning of the year. Right now those lower prices are slowly given out to us, the consumers. Some chains like Aldi have already reduced the endprice for cheese and cream by 13%. It probably isn't necessarily a good thing for German/European agriculture though, Eurozone (for a variety of reasons) may enter a recession at some point in 2015. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/11152731/Eurozone-on-cusp-of-triple-dip-recession-as-German-exports-crumble.html
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Ardennes posted:It probably isn't necessarily a good thing for German/European agriculture though, Eurozone (for a variety of reasons) may enter a recession at some point in 2015. Yeah, between Iraq, Syria and now Ukraine, it seems the German consumer is just holding back for now. So Russia inadvertently helping us by holding our food prices low is just a little early repayment for all that fuckery over Ukraine. And of course German governmental incompotence isn't helping matters.
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Libluini posted:Yeah, between Iraq, Syria and now Ukraine, it seems the German consumer is just holding back for now. So Russia inadvertently helping us by holding our food prices low is just a little early repayment for all that fuckery over Ukraine. It may help customers but obviously is hurting producers, and most likely is impacting German exports, the engine of the German economy. Also, crises in Ira/Syria/Ukraine have pretty much zero do with consumption though (the article says it but offers no explanation of why this is so), German consumption is moribund from enforced austerity and the general malaise that is hitting the continent. Basically, Germans are producing a bunch of stuff that no one wants so they have to cut prices to move it. The rest of Europe doesn't have the savings left to buy German goods and Russia has put an embargo on them. Also, that article partly blames a higher minimum wage which if anything would probably modestly increase consumption. Ardennes fucked around with this message at 14:26 on Oct 10, 2014 |
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What effect is this crisis having on oil prices? Are they related at all? The specifics of how the global oil markets work are beyond my knowledge. If anyone has a good summary I'd love to hear it.
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TeodorMorozov posted:Actually - 2+ weeks Kill you are self.
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Gunktacular posted:What effect is this crisis having on oil prices? Are they related at all? The specifics of how the global oil markets work are beyond my knowledge. If anyone has a good summary I'd love to hear it. Probably not much, and I doubt they actually very much related beyond a decrease in demand in Ukraine. Ukraine is not a major producer of oil (or even much of a minor one), dramatic changes in oil prices most likely is due to slowdowns in China, and first world (especially Japan/Europe). We may be heading toward another global recession. http://www.forbes.com/sites/nathanvardi/2014/10/09/the-oil-price-slide-continues/ quote:The slide in oil prices continued on Thursday with Brent crude prices dropping below $90 a barrel for the first time in two years and West Texas Intermediate prices entering bear market territory. The price drop comes amid general concerns over weakening demand globally and oversupply from the U.S. because of increasing shale oil production. Ardennes fucked around with this message at 14:45 on Oct 10, 2014 |
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Gunktacular posted:What effect is this crisis having on oil prices? Are they related at all? The specifics of how the global oil markets work are beyond my knowledge. If anyone has a good summary I'd love to hear it. Oil prices are falling, despite the turmoil in the Middle East. This is making Russia's economy suffer. Thus the question would be about how the oil market is affecting the crisis, not the other way around.
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Ardennes posted:Probably not much, and I doubt they actually very much related beyond a decrease in demand in Ukraine. Ukraine is not a major producer of oil (or even much of a minor one), dramatic changes in oil prices most likely is due to slowdowns in China, and first world (especially Japan/Europe). I'm worried about this as well. The US has been doing better than most other nations, but I take the view that a rapidly falling US deficit is coincident with recession risk. edit: of course, the recession risk is primarily political, since cheap energy could be put to productive use quite easily with the world's spare capacity, and the US is always in a unique position to finance such an expansion. To accomplish that would require a Congress that views this as a priority however. amanasleep fucked around with this message at 14:51 on Oct 10, 2014 |
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El Scotch posted:Kill you are self. With which of my personalities you are trying to talk?
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amanasleep posted:I'm worried about this as well. The US has been doing better than most other nations, but I take the view that a rapidly falling US deficit is coincident with recession risk. I don't expect any expectation of fiscal stimulus at this point considering recent history. The US has been doing moderately better most likely because if anything our austerity has been relatively mild compared to some Europe and we still have an expanding population compared to Japan. In addition, unlike Brazil, the US doesn't necessarily depend on exports to China. Cheap energy may actually reduce some price inflation and/or spur consumer spending in the US which is okay but the US can't be the driver of the global economy like it was in the past.
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Russian pranker Vovan take interview from US general Kevin McNeely regarding US secret plans to support Ukraine Army. http://lifenews.ru/news/142448 Good job Vovan 
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Ahh is good pranking!!!
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TeodorMorozov posted:With which of my personalities you are trying to talk? All of them.
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Karmalis posted:I haven't noticed any reports on the jail thing. Just investigations by the Belarusian KGB. Or did I miss something? I read in Belarusian opposition news about 100 people were arrested for that. http://football.ua/euro2016/251480-v-borisove-zaderzhali-bolee-100-ukrainskikh-fanatov.html quote:More than 100 of our compatriots will be introduced to the pleasures of the Belarusian KGB. After qualifying match Euro 2016 Belarus - Ukraine were detained and taken to the local branch of the KGB. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezFrDJ91nyA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hb7azM5B9Qo And Ukrainians shouting "Long Live Belarus!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IkkxONz8Vk HUGE PUBES A PLUS fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Oct 10, 2014 |
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Those plans are secret? I thought we already supported Ukraine? Well, mostly with moral support...
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Statoil et al are already laying off thousands and the big oil companies are cutting down on investments in stuff like shale, so don't expect any oil glut to last too long even with lovely demand. e: And it's gonna be the most expensive oil production, with the most indebted companies, that goes first (i.e fracking/shale companies). Russia might be hurting, but so is the rest of the world too, and with Germany entering recession I wonder how hot they'll be for more sanctions. Pimpmust fucked around with this message at 20:41 on Oct 10, 2014 |
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Russia sliding towards totalitarianism watch: 1) Roskomnadzor warned Novaya Gazeta about "extremism" over an editorial where the editor compared some of whole "special pure Russian culture" nonsense with similar rhetoric of Nazis. http://www.novayagazeta.ru/news/1688061.html 2) They are trying to shut down Memorial: http://www.rferl.mobi/a/russia-closing-of-memorial-rights-group-/26631357.html vvvvvvv Apparently russian TV also ran a smear peace on Memorial to prepare for "legal" action against them. OddObserver fucked around with this message at 22:31 on Oct 10, 2014 |
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This Russian programme on MH17 recently arranged for a jet to fire a 30mm cannon into parked aircraft to prove MH17 was shot down by 30mm cannon fire, not a Buk (starts 7 minutes in) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HDR32KEAns&t=422s Here they helpfully point out the entry holes, big, round, and consistent in size  Then the damage from the broken up round exiting the aircaft  And they helpfully provide this comparison shot  Problem is, when you actually look at the damage on MH17 in detail, it's obvious using the above example that 30mm cannon fire wouldn't do what's shown below; entry points of an inconsistent shape and size (this shows two sides of the same panel which was positioned above the cockpit windows)  
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TeodorMorozov posted:Actually - 2+ weeks I'm confused. Are you happy people went to jail for two weeks because they bad mouthed a political figure?
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Rah! posted:The level of constant and obvious bullshit that the Russian media and government is spewing and expecting everyone else to believe, is impressive. Russia apparently thinks that the world is entirely populated by people with the reasoning power of retarded amoebas (which seems to be partly true, unfortunately). They convinced a bunch of ethnic Russians that Nazi's were coming to kill them all. They know what they are doing sadly.
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Best Friends posted:The ethnic Russians posting in this thread are more "lol you can't stop us" than expressing any real fear so I'm not sure that's true. Yeah that pretty much seems to be the case. Then "HEH HEH HOPE YA LIKE BEING COLD!" when a proposal to stop them arises.
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Brown Moses posted:This Russian programme on MH17 recently arranged for a jet to fire a 30mm cannon into parked aircraft to prove MH17 was shot down by 30mm cannon fire, not a Buk (starts 7 minutes in) The clip is actually from Vesti Nedeli (News of the week), Kiselev's program: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiPYWmm-wjs It's the preview for an upcoming film called "MH-17: Interrupted flight" by Arkady Mamontov to be aired Oct 11 at 6:55pm, so set your DVRs. It even has a guy wielding a pointing stick in front of a whiteboard filled with every conceivable crash scenario. I guess a whiteboard is really convenient if you needs to change something fast later.
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Best Friends posted:The ethnic Russians posting in this thread are more "lol you can't stop us" than expressing any real fear so I'm not sure that's true. Russians have mastered cognitive dissonance - they largely know their government is pretty much in "lie about everything" propaganda mode permanently, and that the media can't be trusted to be anything more than a government mouthpiece, but because those lies are so attractive they follow along to be part of the lie. Whether it's Russia-as-master-race or there-are-no-food-shortages, these are attractive lies and believing them is some small comfort in a world where their society is rotting.
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