Prester John posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOWW-r0AWr8

Gozinbulx posted:

Darkman Fanpage posted:

Holy poo poo the Wikipedia article for this movie is way too long and detailed for a direct-to-video movie.

Good Citizen posted:

Real fans watch the subbed version

N. Senada posted:

she is moe all the way

I don't know if that's supposed to have an accent mark or something.

Prester John posted:

Absolutely this. This is a from an awful Christian move called "The Buttercream Gang." The buttercreamers (not making that up, they actually refer to themselves that way) are a gang of young boys that spend all their free time volunteering to help the elderly and infirm in their neighborhood. It is an old club that started druing WWII when neighberhood boys would go churn butter because all the men were off to war. The plot is that President of the buttercreamers, the most wholesome of them, moves to a big city to live with some relatives for reasons. After six months in the big city he comes back completely transformed into a godless hellraiser. (But not really, since most of the poo poo he does is actually extremely minor) He forms his own rival gang based on petty theft and blah blah blah.

This represents an honest and genuine attempt to tell a story with humanized characters.

To make sense of this I would like to say that evangelicals conceive of "entertainment" in an entirely different way. Entertainment is not about being entertained or blowing off some steam. (Frankly that concept is almost totally devoid in evangelicals, its as incomprehensible to them as Chan culture would have been if you time machined it to the 18th century.) Entertainment is about learning how to be a better godly person, especially for children. Every facet of of their life possible *MUST* be designed to further reinforce their godliness. This movie was actually controversial in my particular wingnut community and only the older children "who were ready for it" were allowed to watch it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOWW-r0AWr8

surrender posted:

I know it's from a couple of pages back, but this is a brilliant ethering of Matt Walsh:

https://twitter.com/MattBinder/status/507635203452329987

Prester John posted:

Absolutely this. This is a from an awful Christian move called "The Buttercream Gang." The buttercreamers (not making that up, they actually refer to themselves that way) are a gang of young boys that spend all their free time volunteering to help the elderly and infirm in their neighborhood. It is an old club that started druing WWII when neighberhood boys would go churn butter because all the men were off to war. The plot is that President of the buttercreamers, the most wholesome of them, moves to a big city to live with some relatives for reasons. After six months in the big city he comes back completely transformed into a godless hellraiser. (But not really, since most of the poo poo he does is actually extremely minor) He forms his own rival gang based on petty theft and blah blah blah.

This represents an honest and genuine attempt to tell a story with humanized characters.

To make sense of this I would like to say that evangelicals conceive of "entertainment" in an entirely different way. Entertainment is not about being entertained or blowing off some steam. (Frankly that concept is almost totally devoid in evangelicals, its as incomprehensible to them as Chan culture would have been if you time machined it to the 18th century.) Entertainment is about learning how to be a better godly person, especially for children. Every facet of of their life possible *MUST* be designed to further reinforce their godliness. This movie was actually controversial in my particular wingnut community and only the older children "who were ready for it" were allowed to watch it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOWW-r0AWr8

ProperGanderPusher posted:

The sad part is that there's so much amazing literature out there written from an explicitly Christian standpoint (Flannery O'Connor and Dostoevsky come to mind) that most of these whitebread evangelicals never even hear about or would be willing to read anyway due to dark subject matter. At most they'll read C.S. Lewis, but rarely his non-Narnia works.

As a Christian, I understand what they're attempting to get at in terms of sanctification, but they're so utterly terrified of the rest of the world that they're denying themselves chances at genuine personal and spiritual growth by pushing all the stuff away that they perceive as too rough around the edges. The story you mention about the perfect boyscout going to the bag swarthy city and coming back a hooligan reflects this to a tee.

quote:

RUSH: On NPR today they had I guess a call-in segment, and some woman, smart woman called up and said, "You know, I object to you people calling them the Democratic Party. It's not the Democratic Party. It's the Democrat Party, Republican Party, and you keep --" And that got blamed on me. We have the sound bite.

I'm proud of that, too, 'cause I did start that trend. It's been years ago that I started refusing to call 'em "democratic," 'cause they're not anyway. They're the Autocratic Party. If you want to put an I-C after the name, they're the Autocratic Party. There's nothing democratic about the Democratic Party.

It's not the Republican-ic Party. It's not the Republican-in Party. It's the Republican Party. So I long ago did this. Minor little point. I knew it was gonna irritate 'em, and sure enough it has. It really has.

BREAK TRANSCRIPT

RUSH: Let me mention this, get this one out of the way. This is what happened on NPR yesterday. Chris Cillizza, our old buddy at the Washington Post, was a guest, along with Norman Ornstein and Susan Davis from USA Today. A caller called in, Ann in Missouri, "I'm questioning the use of the term 'democratic' amongst your panelists as well as all across the news media. A person either belongs in the Democrat Party, the Republican Party, or some other party. But they don't belong in the 'Democratic' Party. Our country's a democracy and we should keep the word 'democratic' isolated from politics."

This what Cillizza said.

CILLIZZA: To me, getting fixated on things like this, this, to me, is a perfect example of why our politics -- and I would say this if this were the 'Republic' Party. This is not about bias. (gasps) This is a perfect example of why our politics are so incredibly small. People say, "I don't understand why they don't tackle the big ideas." Like, let's grow up!

ORNSTEIN: This is something that has rankled Democrats for a very long time because it's as if, uh, you have a large number of people -- and many Republican politicians do this, too -- who are just dissing their party.

RUSH: Yeah. Well, you wonder why it's small politics? The Democrats get all upset about it? If it's not that big a deal, ignore it. Diane Rehm was the host of the program, and she and Susan Davis of USA Today continued the discussion. This is where the name of your beloved host is invoked.

REHM: (haltingly) You know, it is interesting. I do listen to Rush Limbaugh quite frequently. Seems to me it kind of began there. Susan, am I wrong?

DAVIS: I think it is an offshoot of sort of Republican talk radio and that, actually, my understanding of the idea that you should call it the 'Democrat' Party was more not a matter of respect. It was more a matter of insult, that the root of them was sort of not giving them that credit.

RUSH: Was that Diane Rehm or Jill Abrams? (interruption) Diane...? (impression) "You know, it is interestiiiiiing. I do listen to Rushhhhh Limbowwww...and..." Oops out of time.

quote:

RUSH: Gary, Maricopa, Arizona. Great to have you, sir. Thank you for calling.

CALLER: Hi, Rush.

RUSH: Hey.

CALLER: I'm just calling to point out, you know, all the sensationalism about Ebola coming here and ISIS coming here. They have a long way to go to catch up with the thousands and thousands and thousands of Americans that illegal aliens have killed in this country and continue to do so every day.

RUSH: Now, now. Wait a second, now. Wait a minute. You're gonna have to back that up. Thousands and thousands and thousands.

CALLER: How many days go by where you don't hear about an illegal alien that has murdered an American?

RUSH: Well, I haven't heard about one today. Look, seriously, now. If you're gonna say that, back it up. It can't be... I mean, I know that there are illegal aliens committing murder.

CALLER: If you think of 10 years, if you think even of one every other day --

RUSH: Right.

CALLER: We know it's more than that.

RUSH: Even so, the answer to your question is, "Look at how many people die on the highways every day. It never gets reported. But let a plane crash happen. 'Oh, my God!'"

CALLER: Right. This is a problem that's not just the Republicans or the Democrats. It's both, and every amnesty preacher has the blood on their hands. I know Obama's done a lot to exacerbate the problem, but every politician that is pimping for amnesty increases the problem.

RUSH: Potentially, yes.

CALLER: So. (chuckles) I hear all the guff about Obama -- and yes, I really dislike the man severely -- but everybody that says amnesty is causing more of them to come here.

RUSH: Well, they are saying it isn't amnesty, and they are very specific when they tell you it's not amnesty. "Don't call it amnesty! Don't say it's amnesty!" Because they claim that it's not. What it is, is Democrat voter registration -- and however many years it takes for that to happen, that's the ultimate objective here on the Democrat side. On the Republican side, it's cheap labor, Chamber of Commerce.

They made no bones about it. I mean, I'm not even being pejorative. They make no bones about it. That's where the old, "Well, you know, there are jobs the American people won't do here, and we still need that work done, Dude!" Right. So those are the motivating forces. I don't think... If you look at polling data, the majority of the American people are opposed to amnesty. I don't think anybody's getting away with this here.

If they do it, it's gonna be against a very large majority who don't want it. They're governing against the will of the people. It's not that we've lost the issue with the public. You don't need to say, "Hey, you know, you're worried about ISIS and Ebola? You know how many illegals have committed murder over the years?" You don't need to convince anybody, because most of the people in this country are still law-abiding.

To them, it's simply a matter of law and order. It isn't racism. It's not bigotry. It's law and order. There are other factors involved, of course. But it's not complicated, why people oppose this. It has nothing to do with not liking people. It has nothing to do with not being compassionate. It has to do with the rule of law, which is the glue that holds the country together. The Constitution doesn't mean anything if people don't respect it.

The Constitution and law mean nothing if people won't obey it with the honor system. Yeah, you have to enforce it, and you have to punish lawbreakers and this kind of thing. We're not doing that! That's what's got people concerned. It really isn't any more complicated than that. The American people are not hard to understand. It's when you think that they're a bunch of rubes and idiots and hicks that you have a problem.

ProperGanderPusher posted:

The sad part is that there's so much amazing literature out there written from an explicitly Christian standpoint (Flannery O'Connor and Dostoevsky come to mind) that most of these whitebread evangelicals never even hear about or would be willing to read anyway due to dark subject matter. At most they'll read C.S. Lewis, but rarely his non-Narnia works.

As a Christian, I understand what they're attempting to get at in terms of sanctification, but they're so utterly terrified of the rest of the world that they're denying themselves chances at genuine personal and spiritual growth by pushing all the stuff away that they perceive as too rough around the edges. The story you mention about the perfect boyscout going to the bag swarthy city and coming back a hooligan reflects this to a tee.

Tarezax posted:

One thing I've always wondered about these types is, how can you ever really be confident in your faith if you're too afraid to ever let it be tested? Like you said, there's great potential for personal and spiritual growth that they're running away from.

It's like deep down they don't believe, or are afraid they don't believe, and so anything that challenges their worldview is likely to blow it apart like so much dust.

Prester John posted:

They are going to literally think the world is ending and that they are the loving Tribulation Force from the Left Left Behind books. They will act accordingly.

Dr Christmas posted:

You mean by basically going along with whatever the liberal antichrists want them to do, while secretly disapproving fiercely?

Cythereal posted:

Then again, there's a whole lot of the Bible that these "Christians" don't read.

Cythereal posted:

This is also the kind of thing that gets Christians like me alternately laughing and crying at the people who believe this nonsense.

Prester John posted:

For some likely yeah, but I am of the opinion that the way Evangelicals think and perceive the world is different on a very fundamental level. It is an entirely different language, and there is some scientific research that is starting to bear this out. The logic of that worldview is completely internally consistent. To ask "Well why don't they ever X" is to miss the point completely I think. You are inserting too much of your own thinking and how you would react in those circumstances. They never have that experience and almost never have those thoughts because they just aren't wired that way. In my view to really understand authoritarians/evangelicals you have to rebuild your entire concept of the world from the ground up. It is a worldview with a great deal of inbuilt fear of the other, a strong psychological need to belong, and a need for a conflict with an evil outgroup.

I am concerned about how this Ebola outbreak is going to play in wingnut circles. (If you haven;t been following the Ebola thread, please go do so now, shits bad.) Since it is almost certain we are going to see Ebola in the news for the next year at least and we will likely hit Million+ infected by the end of the year I think there is a genuine possibility of some of these groups deciding that this is it. The Four Horsemen are here, we are now in the final 7 years of the planet. In fact, the more I reflect on it the more I cannot see a way that it will not eventually be perceived that way by a sizable portion of these groups. They are going to literally think the world is ending and that they are the loving Tribulation Force from the Left Behind books. They will act accordingly.

Before we go further I should mention that there has been a decades long raging debate as to whether the rapture occurs as the kickoff to the end times or at the halfway point of 3.5 years. Although Left Behind brought more awareness to the idea of an early rapture, it is still very hotly debated within the church. I can see it being entirely possible that they go "Whelp, looks like it is at the 3.5 year mark. Lets prepare for mass Christian persecution/try and convert whoever we can before we get beamed out".

Beyond whatever hilarious idiocy this would result in, there are some genuine concerns. If they believe it really is the Tribulation, the Evangelicals are going to dub whoever seems the most powerful in the world as the Antichrist, (Since Obama seems to be leading the charge against Ebola it will likely be him) and they will see it as their duty to resist. Much moreso than we have seen so far. Worse though is how they will react concerning the "Mark of the Beast". *ANYTHING* associated with the government is going to be suspect. You see, in this interpretation Christians are supposed to convert as many people as possible as quickly as possible, (while enduring massive persecution) but they will be tempted by the Mark of the Beast. To receive the mark is to drat yourself to hell. In fact, willingly receiving the mark is more or less the only way to drat yourself at that point. Whatever they decide is the Mark they would resist vigorously, as if not their life, but their eternal soul, depended on it.

When I was a kid, the Mark coming in the form of a vaccine was one of the scenarios that was discussed. This may not be a big deal here in America where there is very little chance we would need such a thing. But the Evangelical communities in Africa could very much reject (probably violently) any effort at a vaccination campaign as a result. America Evangelicals were able to get the "kill the gays" thing passed in Uganda. If enough American Evangelicals get it in their head that the Ebola vaccine is the mark I could honestly see entire countries rejecting the vaccine.

I hope on this one that I am just running with this all a bit too far. But if this Ebola outbreak had happened when I was a kid? Wouldn't have been a shred of doubt that it was now the Tribulation. We have two generations now fully raised believing they were going to witness the end times and be God's warriors. While the numbers of Evangelicals have decreased in absolute terms, much like Republicans and the Tea Party, the number and power of the extremists has increased dramatically over the past 15 years.

These people are dead loving serious about what they are saying in this video. This is not a joke to them. This is as true as the sky is blue and chocolate tastes good. They are here to be God's warriors, and they will see the Tribulation in their lifetime. We have at least two full grown generations of Evangelicals raised 100% in this environment. If they get it in their head that Ebola is the start of the Tribulation there is no telling what they might do, but it will make the Bundy Ranch showdown look like a downright friendly gathering of calm reasonable folks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9l94Pp170A

Dr Christmas posted:

You mean by basically going along with whatever the liberal antichrists want them to do, while secretly disapproving fiercely?

ToxicSlurpee posted:

Actually, wait, you probably do have an idea and that idea is depressing.

Prester John posted:

I hope on this one that I am just running with this all a bit too far. But if this Ebola outbreak had happened when I was a kid? Wouldn't have been a shred of doubt that it was now the Tribulation. We have two generations now fully raised believing they were going to witness the end times and be God's warriors. While the numbers of Evangelicals have decreased in absolute terms, much like Republicans and the Tea Party, the number and power of the extremists has increased dramatically over the past 15 years.

fade5 posted:

I'm torn, normally I'd say you're just worried about nothing, but like was just mentioned I also know that you've experienced the worst of Evangelical extremism firsthand, and that you know exactly how those people tick.

If you end up being right, it would be terrifying and saddening, but also rather entertaining watching yet another "the Apocalypse is coming any day now guys, for real this time". After all, we had an Apocalypse in 2011 just like Harold Camping said, didn't we?

Either way, I'm just glad you're out the Evangelical hell bubble, so you can watch from the sidelines rather than in the middle.

Prester John posted:

No, Evangelicals are a completely different animal from Freepers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Kbe8KqjmGo


Edit: Oppression breeds fanaticism. Although we may all get a good chuckle out of the idea of Christians being an oppressed minority in this country, for people as deep in as these people are, the psychological impacts of that nonexistent oppression are still very real. To them watching another State go for Gay Marriage has the emotional impact of watching Hitler invade your country. (I have experienced this myself) There is a mixture of despair, fear, and above all rage. There is a shitload of pent up paranoia and rage inside alot of these people.

fade5 posted:

I'm torn, normally I'd say you're just worried about nothing, but like was just mentioned I also know that you've experienced the worst of Evangelical extremism firsthand, and that you know exactly how those people tick.

fade5 posted:

Either way, I'm just glad you're out the Evangelical hell bubble, so you can watch from the sidelines rather than in the middle.

Dr Christmas posted:

Have you read the Left Behind books (or Slacktivist's takedown of them)? I was talking about the characters in the Left Behind books.

Prester John posted:

Bundy Ranch

Jerry Manderbilt posted:

Is there anyone still at the Bundy Ranch who isn't an undercover FBI agent at this point?

Prester John posted:

My take is the infighting only occurred once they had already won the day. Authoritarians are very good at setting aside their differences so long as they have an enemy in front of them. Once they don't have that threat is when they turn to petty squabbling and infighting. I'm not saying they could sustain large scale action, but I am saying they might at some point give it a try.

Prester John posted:

For some likely yeah, but I am of the opinion that the way Evangelicals think and perceive the world is different on a very fundamental level. It is an entirely different language, and there is some scientific research that is starting to bear this out. The logic of that worldview is completely internally consistent. To ask "Well why don't they ever X" is to miss the point completely I think. You are inserting too much of your own thinking and how you would react in those circumstances. They never have that experience and almost never have those thoughts because they just aren't wired that way. In my view to really understand authoritarians/evangelicals you have to rebuild your entire concept of the world from the ground up. It is a worldview with a great deal of inbuilt fear of the other, a strong psychological need to belong, and a need for a conflict with an evil outgroup.

I am concerned about how this Ebola outbreak is going to play in wingnut circles. (If you haven;t been following the Ebola thread, please go do so now, shits bad.) Since it is almost certain we are going to see Ebola in the news for the next year at least and we will likely hit Million+ infected by the end of the year I think there is a genuine possibility of some of these groups deciding that this is it. The Four Horsemen are here, we are now in the final 7 years of the planet. In fact, the more I reflect on it the more I cannot see a way that it will not eventually be perceived that way by a sizable portion of these groups. They are going to literally think the world is ending and that they are the loving Tribulation Force from the Left Behind books. They will act accordingly.

Before we go further I should mention that there has been a decades long raging debate as to whether the rapture occurs as the kickoff to the end times or at the halfway point of 3.5 years. Although Left Behind brought more awareness to the idea of an early rapture, it is still very hotly debated within the church. I can see it being entirely possible that they go "Whelp, looks like it is at the 3.5 year mark. Lets prepare for mass Christian persecution/try and convert whoever we can before we get beamed out".

Beyond whatever hilarious idiocy this would result in, there are some genuine concerns. If they believe it really is the Tribulation, the Evangelicals are going to dub whoever seems the most powerful in the world as the Antichrist, (Since Obama seems to be leading the charge against Ebola it will likely be him) and they will see it as their duty to resist. Much moreso than we have seen so far. Worse though is how they will react concerning the "Mark of the Beast". *ANYTHING* associated with the government is going to be suspect. You see, in this interpretation Christians are supposed to convert as many people as possible as quickly as possible, (while enduring massive persecution) but they will be tempted by the Mark of the Beast. To receive the mark is to drat yourself to hell. In fact, willingly receiving the mark is more or less the only way to drat yourself at that point. Whatever they decide is the Mark they would resist vigorously, as if not their life, but their eternal soul, depended on it.

When I was a kid, the Mark coming in the form of a vaccine was one of the scenarios that was discussed. This may not be a big deal here in America where there is very little chance we would need such a thing. But the Evangelical communities in Africa could very much reject (probably violently) any effort at a vaccination campaign as a result. America Evangelicals were able to get the "kill the gays" thing passed in Uganda. If enough American Evangelicals get it in their head that the Ebola vaccine is the mark I could honestly see entire countries rejecting the vaccine.

I hope on this one that I am just running with this all a bit too far. But if this Ebola outbreak had happened when I was a kid? Wouldn't have been a shred of doubt that it was now the Tribulation. We have two generations now fully raised believing they were going to witness the end times and be God's warriors. While the numbers of Evangelicals have decreased in absolute terms, much like Republicans and the Tea Party, the number and power of the extremists has increased dramatically over the past 15 years.

These people are dead loving serious about what they are saying in this video. This is not a joke to them. This is as true as the sky is blue and chocolate tastes good. They are here to be God's warriors, and they will see the Tribulation in their lifetime. We have at least two full grown generations of Evangelicals raised 100% in this environment. If they get it in their head that Ebola is the start of the Tribulation there is no telling what they might do, but it will make the Bundy Ranch showdown look like a downright friendly gathering of calm reasonable folks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9l94Pp170A

McAlister posted:

At Bundy ranch they quickly devolved into infighting. As you mentioned, some if the cults literally believe that only their personal congregation is right and they are absolutely intolerant of the other.

Each one of these groups has a leader who is enjoying playing god for his terrified flock. There is no motivation for these people to coordinate or let their flock rock the gravy train.

I'm not disagreeing with your assessment for their capacity for violence. Right wing extremism is where our nasty domestic terrorism comes from (left wing extremists target property, not people, and are much rarer). I'm just disagreeing with the scale. Like comic book villains I see infighting and internal distrust preventing any large scale action.

Zuhzuhzombie!! posted:

You know, I'm surprised.


The Nobel Peace Prize is given to a Marxist and I haven't heard a peep about it from RWR.

Zuhzuhzombie!! posted:

You know, I'm surprised.


The Nobel Peace Prize is given to a Marxist and I haven't heard a peep about it from RWR.

ProperGanderPusher posted:

The sad part is that there's so much amazing literature out there written from an explicitly Christian standpoint (Flannery O'Connor and Dostoevsky come to mind) that most of these whitebread evangelicals never even hear about or would be willing to read anyway due to dark subject matter. At most they'll read C.S. Lewis, but rarely his non-Narnia works.

As a Christian, I understand what they're attempting to get at in terms of sanctification, but they're so utterly terrified of the rest of the world that they're denying themselves chances at genuine personal and spiritual growth by pushing all the stuff away that they perceive as too rough around the edges. The story you mention about the perfect boyscout going to the bag swarthy city and coming back a hooligan reflects this to a tee.

quote:

Lecrae doesn’t think it is. In an interview with “The Exchange,” a program of conversations with Christian leaders, he stated, “I am a Christian. I am a Rapper. But Christian is my faith not my genre.”

He went on, echoing a similar sentiment to Kanye, saying, “It’s going to sound weird, but I’m not religious. I don’t like religiosity. I would research all kinds of organized religions, but God just felt like this tyrant: ‘Do this. Do that. Don’t do this. Don’t do that.’”

Unfortunately, for Lecrae, he only has so much control over the way he’s categorized. And because of that, the answer is still, yes he is a Christian rapper. Because with Christian music, there seems to be a one-drop rule. As in, if there’s one drop of vice — of unfavorable content — regardless of the representation of Christianity’s positive tenets, it ultimately becomes secular music. Lecrae’s status as a Christian rapper hinges on the fact that he never becomes a bad Christian, lyrically.

Tarezax posted:

One thing I've always wondered about these types is, how can you ever really be confident in your faith if you're too afraid to ever let it be tested? Like you said, there's great potential for personal and spiritual growth that they're running away from.

It's like deep down they don't believe, or are afraid they don't believe, and so anything that challenges their worldview is likely to blow it apart like so much dust.

Slo-Tek posted:

They are just waiting for Rush to get the first few kicks in to make it OK to go full on an adolescent girl. As soon as any of the alpha-hyenas go for it, the rest of the pack will be there to crack the bones. The thing that will be exciting is that once Rush breaks the seal, everybody else will have to turn it up to 11.

Tatum Girlparts posted:

Basically, yea. The right, on the whole, is smart enough to wait for their normal attack dogs to start doing the cartoonishly evil stances like 'gently caress that young girl who was shot in the head, THE FUCKIN BROWN COMMIE', that way when their echochamber stations bring the 'moderates' on to go 'boy some liberals sure are mad at Rush being brave' they can go 'well obviously I don't think he should have gone that far BUT SHE IS A FUCKIN BROWN COMMIE GUYS IT'S WORTH SAYING'.

The best part, yea, will be when his remoras like Levin and Brietbart's still alive crew use him as the baseline to EXPAND from to desperately get their five minutes.