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A hahahah https://twitter.com/aritzparra/status/520805205479133184/photo/1 A tourist guide in Tiananmen is being targeted by the police because of an umbrella
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caberham posted:A hahahah Is this going to turn into one of those weird "The secret police jump you immediately for trying this" things? I recall that taking a glass coke bottle out in the square and trying to break it will get you stopped immediately because the characters for coke bottle are a nickname for Deng Xiaoping.
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Oct 11, 2014 06:56
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caberham posted:Anyways, I think that we can hold on to this many days is a freaking miracle, numbers/morale swell up and down but I believe once the tents are set up, number retention should be up for each night. Even if people do go home, tents won't get cleared out. If I give up and the movement fizzles then everyone is hosed. The leaders of this movement will get a bajillion charges, the remaining 15-20 protesters will get arrested and the morale for democracy movement knocked out. There's talk of doing another one during the Christmas long weekend but honestly, I see this one as make it or break it. We have to go home with something, even if it's a compromise. If occupy civil disobedience won't make the government listen, I don't know what will. That's why I'm trying to show up as long as I can. I think you've got it backwards. The lack of organization and Elite Marxist Civil Disobedience Mao's Red Book Guerrilla Tactics Insurgent Shifts Manning the Barricades Logistically Distributing Supplies From Each According to His Ability to Each According to His Need Tom Clancy Anti-Tear Gas Goggles Anonymous Guy Fawkes Mask Occupy All Street Hardcore Badass Protest Strategy is what makes the government so shy about trying to break this all up. If the protesters were 20 Bear Gryllses wearing Space Marine Power Armor with meticulously planned and organized crap then the government would be totally fine with taking down that terrorist cell, but the fact that they're a bunch of students and other ordinary folks is what makes them scary. It's one thing if the government takes down the Caberham Power Rangers Anti-Tyranny Squad, it's entirely another if they shoot tear gas at unarmed students and middle aged ladies who wish they could afford houses.
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Oct 11, 2014 08:29
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I'm just thinking of having more organized cleanup crews because all I do is pick up cigarette butts all day long. The ones who sleep overnight are normally the ones doing all the sweeping in the morning. It's already tiring for them sleeping on the streets. Tom Clancy anti litter terrorist cell sounds amazing. Maybe I should organize one. Mong kok is getting filthy and everyone is not motivated enough to keep it clean. I also met a few kids who are runaways. Mong kok is weird.
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Oct 11, 2014 08:51
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whatever7 posted:Japanese the language first of all, has a grammar that's complete different from the mainland languages. The Chinese and English parts are the later bolt-on parts of the language, which made Japanese the most complicated language in the world. Waaaaat? Japanese orthography and grammar are ridiculously regular, the only hard part, assuming you can get used to a language not being like your own (so basically for everyone except Americans) is the Chinese characters. quote:Lastly, Japan had Samurai warrior class. China never had a separated military class. Confucian believe the army should be led by the literati. And the China's literati class was not hereditary. Japan's warrior class and feudal warlords made it similar to the European Middle Age. That fits Japan's feudal society and hilly geography. China's dynasties were much more centralized with huge bureaucratic state machines. It was technically possible for a peasant to become a scholar/official in China. But you're not likely to do very well on the exam studying with non-existent materials while living among illiterates. Meanwhile, it was also unlikely-but-possible to advance in Japan if you kissed and/or kicked the right asses at the right time. Koramei posted:I don't even know what to say about the last bit but you realise this could perfectly describe Korean (and maybe Vietnamese, I know nothing about Vietnamese) as well right? It does perfectly describe Korean. Vietnamese has about as much Chinese vocabulary as Japanese or Korean. I don't know whether its grammar has been heavily influenced by Chinese or not, though. For that matter, I don't know if Japanese or Korean were. The big similarity between them and Chinese is the particle systems...did they have that before the Chinese culturally hegemonized all over them? Is it even possible to know?
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Oct 11, 2014 08:56
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Didn't the Koreans straight up used chinese as the script for their language, until emperor sejong?
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Oct 11, 2014 09:10
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caberham posted:Mong kok is weird. Excuse me. This isn't GBS.
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Oct 11, 2014 09:44
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7LTf1BT5i4 Methinks thou dost protest too much. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS2IVHEbeAA Boy do they love the phrase "as soon as possible" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bs5G6IsRGyo There it is again. "as soon as possible."
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Oct 11, 2014 09:55
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goatse.cx posted:Didn't the Koreans straight up used chinese as the script for their language, until emperor sejong? Basically, yeah. Sejong had it on the money when he realised it was holding the hell back out of the country's literacy rate. They still do use chinese characters with the Hanja system, but someone who's actually studied Hangul would have a better idea as to how often they use it. I don't think it's in as common usage as Kanji is for Japan, f'r instance.
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Oct 11, 2014 11:05
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whatever7 posted:Japanese the language first of all, has a grammar that's complete different from the mainland languages. Are you meaning China here when you say mainland? Korean and Japanese grammar is virtually identical, though both claim their languages are isolates. WarpedNaba posted:They still do use chinese characters with the Hanja system, but someone who's actually studied Hangul would have a better idea as to how often they use it. I don't think it's in as common usage as Kanji is for Japan, f'r instance. Man you gotta go outside more. Korean doesn't use Chinese characters at all anymore, just hangeul. They adopted hanzi and called them hanja, used that until Sejong and the introduction of hangeul. The upper classes got annoyed at filthy commoners being able to learn to read now, so they got rid of hangeul and used hanja again. Hangeul returns in the 20th century as a mixed script with hanja, and the hanja go away in common use. I believe in the 1980s the last holdout newspapers stopped using them, and now they just don't exist outside of some very minor things like using the characters for small/middle/large to indicate portion sizes on menus. They teach hanja in middle school but few people really learn it, it's just that subject students hate above all others.
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Oct 11, 2014 11:31
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This is a different video. It just seems the same as the others. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmDqspkEKbg
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Oct 11, 2014 12:58
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I will now recap in English
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXO1BtOGaoA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cktqRk7mA4
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Oct 11, 2014 13:05
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goatse.cx posted:Didn't the Koreans straight up used chinese as the script for their language, until emperor sejong? The Japanese did too until kana was adopted by everyone. That's one of the reasons books like the Tale of Genji were written by women because they were the only ones using a writing system that allowed for anything more than lovely poetry. RocknRollaAyatollah fucked around with this message at 14:23 on Oct 11, 2014 |
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Oct 11, 2014 14:16
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Just like Japan, HK memes are weird.
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Oct 11, 2014 14:17
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Ceciltron posted:Everyone keeps forgetting the 69th State, Secret Kansas
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Oct 11, 2014 15:30
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It's definitely not that at all unless me subconscicous has nicked me noggin
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Oct 11, 2014 15:39
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You could've just won Obscure American Trivia for 400 and walked away, man. 
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Oct 11, 2014 15:43
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Bloodnose posted:Elite Marxist Civil Disobedience Mao's Red Book Guerrilla Tactics Insurgent Shifts Manning the Barricades Logistically Distributing Supplies From Each According to His Ability to Each According to His Need Tom Clancy Anti-Tear Gas Goggles Anonymous Guy Fawkes Mask Occupy All Street Hardcore Badass Protest Strategy Mods namechange to EMCDMRBGTISMBLDSFEAHAEAHNTCATGGAGFMOASHBPS pls
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Oct 11, 2014 17:43
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For a couple posters who disagreed that I said Japanese is the most complicated script, go here watch a linguist explained to you why Japanese "the most complicated script" straight from the horse's mouth. http://youtu.be/fy7QlVsukfQ FYI, I mentioned it only to support my comment that Japanese is a complete different language from Chinese. This fact was also mentioned in the lecture. I think this has to do with the earliest inhabitant reached to the Japanese islands during last ice age when the sea level was low. That was older than the period when Chinese languages and writing were developed. There is another lecture for Chinese writing and languages, it clear up some common misconceptions of Chinese, also the professor compared the written to the various Chinese dialects. http://youtu.be/DE2qDSPjjgo The lectures are part of "Writing and Civilization: From Ancient Worlds to Modernity" series from The Great Courses.
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Oct 11, 2014 17:45
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Nobody said Japanese doesn't have the most complicated script; you said language, which is especially weird in this context since the Japanese language's relationship with Chinese so clearly parallels Korean. And I'm curious, what does that even have to do with anything? Having a complicated writing system does not suddenly give you +2  distinctive culture points or whatever.And I think we're talking past each other here- of course Japanese is a different language from Chinese (probably because it comes from a region other than China rather than because the descendants of modern Japanese people walked through China five thousand and one years ago* before the Chinese language suddenly poofed into existence out of the sludge though  )- but so is Vietnamese, and so is Korean, which you seemed to disagree with? Why the arbitrary line? Why are you even arguing for an arbitrary division in the first place?*edit: doubt/hope nobody never reads this but I'm looking back and laughing at how bad my old posts were and this particularly stuck out because of how utterly wrong it is -- the modern understanding of the peopling of basically all of East Asia actually does lean on the idea that both the much of the genetic ancestry and languages for Japan and Korea and also Vietnam and most of Southeast Asia largely came out of China along with the spread of agriculture, and actually 5000 years is a not totally off estimate for the common ancestry. Man, I was so convinced otherwise though. Koramei fucked around with this message at 07:39 on Jan 16, 2022 |
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Oct 11, 2014 18:25
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whatever7 posted:For a couple posters who disagreed that I said Japanese is the most complicated script, go here watch a linguist explained to you why Japanese "the most complicated script" straight from the horse's mouth. You didn't say "script," you said "language." That video is not bad, BTW, for anyone who doesn't know anything about Japanese. That said: there is more than one way to consider complexity. Japanese is probably the most complex in terms of how many characters it uses. Its orthography, though, is almost totally regular for the syllabaries, and pretty regular for kanji. English, bringing bits and pieces of pronunciation and spelling from a bunch of languages, and then mangling them, or not, is in practice more complex than Japanese. That's probably why Japan manifests a much lower rate of dyslexia than the United States. (Though the underlying rate of the biological tendencies toward it is probably similar.)
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Oct 11, 2014 18:38
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Probably has something to do with attitudes towards disability.
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Oct 12, 2014 02:37
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VideoTapir posted:. English, bringing bits and pieces of pronunciation and spelling from a bunch of languages, and then mangling them, or not, is in practice more complex than Japanese. Also due to spelling of many words getting fixed shortly before English speakers likely shifted the pronunciation of misty vowels in words, making a lot of similarly spelled words sound totally different. But yeah the distinction being drawn between cultures isn't going to get resolved without defining what is meant by a 'Confucian' culture. Preferably in a way that doesn't limit it to China for a period of about 200 years.
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Oct 12, 2014 02:58
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VideoTapir posted:That video is not bad, BTW, for anyone who doesn't know anything about Japanese. It is a neat video, I knew some of it but I hadn't seen it systematically described like that before. Worth watching if you have any interest in languages. I love the TTC/TGC material, they produce tons of good stuff.
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Oct 12, 2014 03:07
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Arglebargle III posted:Probably has something to do with attitudes towards disability. It could, but dyslexia is probably the least stigmatized disability in Asia, and the best-supported learning disability.
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whatever7 posted:For a couple posters who disagreed that I said Japanese is the most complicated script, go here watch a linguist explained to you why Japanese "the most complicated script" straight from the horse's mouth. Got links to the rest of the series?
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Oct 13, 2014 00:09
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Sirens everywhere, police is clearing poo poo
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Oct 13, 2014 02:49
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Anyone know what is happening?
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Oct 13, 2014 03:33
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caberham posted:Sirens everywhere, police is clearing poo poo Cripes, be safe! 
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Oct 13, 2014 03:37
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Police were removing "their" barricades but were probably just testing the waters and seeing the reaction/rehearsing for clearing the camps for real. They obviously knew what they would come up against, hence the overwhelming numbers of police officers. Also I think most of us are at work, I'm certainly not at the protests nor have been since Friday night.
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Oct 13, 2014 03:40
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Feel the wrath of international backlash you Commies!
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Oct 13, 2014 04:20
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gently caress gently caress gently caress, anti-occupiers are marching down Queensway and police aren't bothering to stop them this time, nor do they have the barriers up. Wonder what is gonna happen by tonight..
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Oct 13, 2014 06:34
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Lady Galaga posted:gently caress gently caress gently caress, anti-occupiers are marching down Queensway and police aren't bothering to stop them this time, nor do they have the barriers up. Wonder what is gonna happen by tonight.. We get to see if the protesters drilled use of umbrella stems as pikes well during their week of preparation. My guess is no, they didn't drill proper umbrella formations.
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Oct 13, 2014 06:35
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gently caress yes, lets get some umbrella sheltrons
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Oct 13, 2014 06:50
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poo poo is happening big time in Admiralty, I'm going there right now.
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Oct 13, 2014 07:11
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gently caress, I wanna go too. Stay safe, get those fuckin students to use their umbrellas and hold them off!
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Oct 13, 2014 07:16
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It's also a bit late but I think they can probably remove barricades from near gvmt house and direct it towards queensway. I'll head down tonight and help out.
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Oct 13, 2014 07:20
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dota skills finally coming to use irl y'all
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MrNemo posted:But yeah the distinction being drawn between cultures isn't going to get resolved without defining what is meant by a 'Confucian' culture. Preferably in a way that doesn't limit it to China for a period of about 200 years. I usually just lurk the other Asia threads but I'd like to add a note onto the Confucius pile as it concerns Japan since it does have very strong Confucian influences. Probably the one you feel most here is filial piety, which leads into the pension system debacle and a mess of social issues as a result. It never took hold as a full-out religion because shogun warrior culture didn't lend itself to being a courtly sage and monks weren't just gonna drop their zen, but you can't say the influence isn't pervasive here. The basic principles of a social hierarchy are still pretty much the same. I almost want to say it actually got stronger with the Meiji restoration, where education shifted to the forefront and Confucianism reared its head again. So no, you can't say Japan is a Confucian nation like you could say Israel is a Jewish state but it's undeniably there.
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