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Emy
Apr 21, 2009
It's actually up on Crunchyroll now too.

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Blhue
Apr 22, 2008

Fallen Rib

Bholder posted:

Fate path by itself is easily the weakest and not just because of Shirou.


But speaking of the actual series at hand, I don't remember the actual significance of all these incidents we keep hearing about, do we even learn anything about them on UBW?

Do you mean the things with groups of people passing out? I think that gets explained (or at least implied) in Fate, but I can't remember for sure, so spoilers (its a minor thing anyway) IIRC, its Caster draining prana from people en masse to build power. Kinda the same thing as the runes Rin found around the school, except remote as she's a better magician than the culprit of that, and a bit more subtle since its non-fatal. The crime scene was Rider I think.

Blhue fucked around with this message at 23:37 on Oct 11, 2014

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

I Failed At Anime 2022
Thread's up

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3671286

Don't look at the thread if you don't want to see spoilers, because there will be plenty of them.

Scrree
Jan 16, 2008

the history of all dead generations,
Having just replayed the Realta Nua version of Fate in the last week, Shirou's (new?) voice is messing with my head really badly. Maybe I'll get used to it soon but it lacks that grumpy curmudgeon quality that RN Shirou had.

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

I Failed At Anime 2022
Noriaki Sugiyama is still voicing Shiro, he's just gotten older since Realta Nua so his voice has changed a bit since then.

Emy
Apr 21, 2009


Rin's face is consistently unfortunate. (Though like 90% of the time I think it's her eyes being too far apart.)

e; this would've been less noticeable if it were in motion, but this particular screencap was from the ED, where it's a slow tilt up a still image.

Emy fucked around with this message at 00:03 on Oct 12, 2014

Nate RFB
Jan 17, 2005

Clapping Larry
Henceforth please take any and all VN discussion to the T-M thread. Pretty please? If you're thinking "hey, what I'm about to post, even if it's in response to someone, isn't reeeeeaally about the previously aired episode", then it probably doesn't belong in here. You now have your outlet!

So, like, I really loving loved that episode. Please give me a Taiga spinoff T-M/ufotable. They seem to be putting all of their animation effort and budget into the fight scenes but that's just fiiiine. Everything just feels really slick and tight, whether it's the scene-to-scene compositions, the sound direction, or little details here and there that new viewers will almost certainly pick up during a rewatch. This is gonna be good.

Sindai
Jan 24, 2007
i want to achieve immortality through not dying
Man it is so weird seeing FSN characters actually well-animated and moving around all the time.

Paracelsus
Apr 6, 2009

bless this post ~kya
They're doing a good job with the sound for the weapons. It actually sounds like substantial hunks of metal are being hefted and striking each other.

Sylphid
Aug 3, 2012
The thing that struck me about this episode and last is just how well plotted out they both were. They're both twice as long as the average anime episode, but it doesn't ever feel like the show is wasting its time. For example, in the VN you actually hear the voice of Shirou's boss at his job, and the VN uses like 5-10 minutes introducing the boss and talking about what Shirou does there, but in the show the conversation about being a hero of justice and Shirou thinking about what that means and what Kiritsugu thought about Shirou's desire to become one is merged into the scene where Shirou was at his job.

It just never seems like the show is throwing in scenes to be faithful to the VN (though it most certainly is so far), but these characters could easily stand on their own even if you thought this show was an anime original. Every scene has a reason and a purpose, and even though there's a ton of content to cover, it doesn't feel like the show is moving too fast. If the rest of the series is as well-plotted out as these past two episodes have been, this is going to be a textbook case how to adapt VNs.

It was pretty nice seeing Kiritsugu actually happy and chatty for once in his life, coming off the ending of zero. I hope there's more nods to zero in the rest of the show, though this show could certainly stand on its own, just like the original VN did.

AnacondaHL
Feb 15, 2009

I'm the lead trumpet player, playing loud and high is all I know how to do.

SAND
WICH


Sindai posted:

Man it is so weird seeing FSN characters actually well-animated and moving around all the time.

This too. Can't wait for the CG Dragon :v:

Ottumon
Dec 20, 2012
That part in the end where Saber says "yeah those are Command Spells take care of them." and Shirou immediately afterwards goes and uses one felt a little rushed. Otherwise, I thought it was a good adaptation of the other half of the prequel. I don't really like this opening as much as This Illusion.

Nate RFB
Jan 17, 2005

Clapping Larry
The ED definitely feels a little bit :effort:, which is especially bad since it's a waste of a Kalafina song. Though Memoria was mostly just a bunch of still images too; at least it felt, I don't know, unique? OP is fine if a little generic; I hope Part 2's OP in the Spring gets a few more UBW-specific set pieces at least.

Randomzx
Jul 26, 2007
I think they really missed the opportunity to show something was wrong with Shirou's head when they didn't show Shirou literally cleaning uphis own murder scene..

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.

Randomzx posted:

I think they really missed the opportunity to show something was wrong with Shirou's head when they didn't show Shirou literally cleaning uphis own murder scene..

Yeah, I missed that too. It's pretty important to his characterization. That said, they kind of beat us over the head with it anyway, so I think the viewers understand by now that it's going to be important to his character arc.

Nate RFB
Jan 17, 2005

Clapping Larry


The best character?? Yes.

Chalupa Picada
Jan 13, 2009

Aw yes, best character in the show in the next ep teaser. :allears:

Great episode though, they did a nice job tying this one to the previous without making it feel like too much of a retread. The pacing and scene choices were all really well done, Saber's bit of infodumping was the only thing that came across as a little odd right after being summoned, since we as viewers already knew that information from Rin summoning Archer.

ViggyNash
Oct 9, 2012

Nate RFB posted:



The best character?? Yes.

I didn't realize the question needed to be asked. Speaking of, her VA is pretty drat good.

Second episode was pretty good too, but I'm starting to realized that I liked the slow, deliberate nature of /Zero a lot more than this fast-paced roller coaster that this is. At least with the VN, I could take my time progressing through the story, but here I just have to watch it as it comes. Besides that, the animation sometimes feels a bit... off. I'm not sure what exactly it is but it's annoying me, and it's annoying me that I don't know what it is.

GhostStalker
Mar 26, 2010

Guys, find a woman who looks at you the way GhostStalker looks at every bald, obese, single 58 year old accountant from Tulsa who managed to win $4,000 by not wagering on a Final Jeopardy triple stumper.

Genocyber posted:

does it have the porn

No wait, now that I've actually had the chance to look through the thing, I lied, Beef Waifu was right. Couple of CGs that are NSFW, but no actual straight up porn scenes. And that's all I'm going to say about that here.

KonvexKonkav
Mar 5, 2014

After watching the first two episodes, I have to say my worries about Shirou were unfounded. I actually found him kind of relatable! Like the guy from Kara no Kyoukai he's kind of a doormat but not as extremely as that guy was. Also unlike that guy I think I understand why Shirou is the way he is: He was an only child that was raised by a guy who was very happy to have him so he probably didn't have many conflicts with his adoptive dad and didn't learn to assert himself. At the same time, he got his idealism and desire to be a :siren:HERO OF JUSTICE:siren: from his dad which explains that otherwise confusing scene where he first confronts Shinji and then cleans the dojo for him. It also explains why he commands Saber to stop fighting at the end, a move that might seem otherwise really stupid. After being rescued he grew up in a very "safe" and friendly environment (I'm guessing from the scenes with Kiritsugu and the teacher) so it probably doesn't occur to him that Rin Tohsaka, the girl he goes to school with would try to kill him.

With Rin it's similar, I didn't understand at first why someone who clearly isn't brain-dead would fight in a battle to the death just to win, but from the looks of it she leads a pretty lonely life and tries to compensate by getting good grades in school, being a master wizard and so on. So for her it's really about the prestige she would get for winning the Holy Grail War.

To sum it up: So far this show has been a nice contrast to Kara no Kyoukai, the other Type-Moon adaption I watched where I had no idea why everyone was acting so incomprehensibly stupid. Here the main character has done some dumb things so far but they are pretty understandable. I think I understand why people like this franchise so much: It has the silliest possible premise but the characters are surprisingly realistic, actually. That the adaption looks and sounds like a dream certainly helps too.

CuLT
Sep 9, 2005

Love this adaptation so far. Can hardly believe we're getting such long, detailed episodes, and the inhuman speed of the Servants is being really well shown.

They've improved upon certain things over the VN, too, specifically (FZ spoilerish?) Saber's shock at hearing the name Emiya, which iirc was not conveyed at all in the VN.

Paracelsus
Apr 6, 2009

bless this post ~kya

KonvexKonkav posted:

With Rin it's similar, I didn't understand at first why someone who clearly isn't brain-dead would fight in a battle to the death just to win, but from the looks of it she leads a pretty lonely life and tries to compensate by getting good grades in school, being a master wizard and so on. So for her it's really about the prestige she would get for winning the Holy Grail War.
Well, after F/Z she's also the scion/sole remaining member of one of the three families who run the Grail War, and also the family who is responsible for administering the area, so her participation is expected and she's been preparing for this since the last war. She also really admired her dad and his dream was to win the war, so she's probably also trying to fulfill what she views as her duty to her honor her father's memory.

Kubla Khan
Jun 20, 2014
The Saber/Lancer fight was really well done.

As for Rin, it's typical teen thinking. She's used to being the best at things (the most admired girl, the best student, later on the authority figure to Shirou etc.) so she has to win the Holy Grail War, of course. Not being the best at something makes her angry (very mild spoilers: as when it becomes clear that Shirou's talent may surpass hers in some ways).

Kubla Khan fucked around with this message at 17:14 on Oct 12, 2014

HellCopter
Feb 9, 2012
College Slice
I gotta say, I never envisioned Gae Bolg as a laser. I thought it was just a stab that changed direction.

Sinner Sandwich
Oct 13, 2012

HellCopter posted:

I gotta say, I never envisioned Gae Bolg as a laser. I thought it was just a stab that changed direction.

I don't think it was a laser so much as the form of the spear loosening as it carved through reality.

That said, the best iteration of Gae Bolg is probably Unlimited Codes.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

College Slice
Man, Kiritsugu really had it rough after Zero; this is really fitting.

And I already like Shirou a lot, he's had a lot more development than he did in the Movie version or in the anime of Fate.

KaneTW
Dec 2, 2011

HellCopter posted:

I gotta say, I never envisioned Gae Bolg as a laser. I thought it was just a stab that changed direction.

The F/HA form had a similar appearance too. Here's the scene, F/HA spoilers

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

College Slice
The Shirou being wrong in the head thing someone reference before can someone elaborate?

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

You'll find out.

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

The watching of the prologue and premiere felt like gazing into Shangri-La in all it's glory!

http://randomc.net/image/Fate%20stay%20night/Fate%20stay%20night%20ubw%20-%2001%20-%20Large%2050.jpg

Best. Frame. Ever.

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Weird BIAS
Jul 5, 2007

so... guess that's it, huh? just... don't say i didn't warn you.
Good going there champ.

Cake Attack
Mar 26, 2010

that's a very nice frame

cloverpie
Nov 18, 2012

Vengarr posted:

Not really complicated, and there is no other thread, so.

Major spoilers for next week though!

A shield can't work against the "regular" Gae Bolg because it doesn't strike in the conventional sense. If you imagine your life as a book being written, Gae Bolg is a vandal who flips ahead and writes "And then this rear end in a top hat gets stabbed in the heart" at the bottom of the page. Everything that occurs between you reaching that point is just the author (reality) trying to write a way for this rear end in a top hat to get stabbed in the heart.

If Gae Bolg is activated, and the next moment you teleport to the moon, Gae Bolg will be there to stab you in the heart. It's unbeatable...unless you have enough divine protection/luck/plot armor. In that case, it's possible to keep Gae Bolg from writing that all-important "in the heart" part, and thus you can "dodge" it.

So yeah, Archer would have died hard if there hadn't been an interruption. It's why he later goads Lancer into using the thrown version on him, which doesn't have this trait. The thrown version is just a missile that you can't dodge because it's too fast, and can't block because it's too strong.


So Saber didn't get stabbed in the heart because of her "luck"? That's kinda lame.

Paracelsus
Apr 6, 2009

bless this post ~kya

cloverpie posted:

So Saber didn't get stabbed in the heart because of her "luck"? That's kinda lame.
There might be her magic resistance coming into play as well.

SALT CURES HAM
Jan 4, 2011

cloverpie posted:

So Saber didn't get stabbed in the heart because of her "luck"? That's kinda lame.

Wasn't it because of Avalon, or am I misremembering?

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.

SALT CURES HAM posted:

Wasn't it because of Avalon, or am I misremembering?

That doesn't make any sense.

For what it's worth her Luck seems be more in the "Chosen One Who Defies Fate" sense than the mundane "Lancer rolled a 1 and critical fumbled" sense. Basically she's too important to die like that.

Cake Attack
Mar 26, 2010

she survived because magic works however the gently caress nasu wants it to work

Yosuke
Dec 21, 2006

Emperor of Steel

SALT CURES HAM posted:

Wasn't it because of Avalon, or am I misremembering?

stupid type moon spoilers

Somebody fucked around with this message at 01:42 on Oct 15, 2014

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Guys there's a Type Moon general you can take this to.

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3671286&pagenumber=3

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Dr. Video Games 0031
Jul 17, 2004

Basically Saber is so good that she can defy fate itself.

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