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wisdomHNOX posted:It's his last name, not his alias/"villain" name. I want there to be a villain named Snart, now.  He could fight Rocket Racoon or something.
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Xelkelvos posted:as far as the introduction of a gay character, iirc, Pied Piper was revealed to be gay in the comics not too long ago so I'd probably place my bets on him. By "not too long ago" you mean 1990, right?
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Random Stranger posted:By "not too long ago" you mean 1990, right? 1991, technically.
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I really hope we get the same Rogue dynamic and Flash/Rogue interaction we have in the comic. The Flash is a pretty awesome character on his own, but his relationship with his villains and his city at large is really what defines him as a hero. Hence why I am not fan of the "dead mom" retcon.
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Believe it or not, I wrote 1991 at first and thought, "No wait, Messner-Loeb did that over a year before Waid took over." The Piper is a guy I'd like to see turn up on the show and get the full arc over the course of a couple of seasons. In fact, I'd want the show to have the rogues around long term as supporting characters.
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Oct 12, 2014 15:44
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e X posted:I really hope we get the same Rogue dynamic and Flash/Rogue interaction we have in the comic. The Flash is a pretty awesome character on his own, but his relationship with his villains and his city at large is really what defines him as a hero. Hence why I am not fan of the "dead mom" retcon. Purely speculation, but maybe they'll have him save his mom when he goes back this time. And he'll have saved the city and his parents. End season 1. One could hope.
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Error 404 posted:Purely speculation, but maybe they'll have him save his mom when he goes back this time. And he'll have saved the city and his parents. End season 1. I really hope that's where it's going too. The Barry's dead mom retcon in the comics is lame "tragedy = pathos, look we're grown up serious business comics for MATURE ADULTS" crap and when he tries to fix it he literally ruins it for everyone else and learns that his mother HAS to have died or the universe breaks. I'd love nothing better than for this show to do the Back to the Future thing instead.
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McSpanky posted:I really hope that's where it's going too. The Barry's dead mom retcon in the comics is lame "tragedy = pathos, look we're grown up serious business comics for MATURE ADULTS" crap and when he tries to fix it he literally ruins it for everyone else and learns that his mother HAS to have died or the universe breaks. I'd love nothing better than for this show to do the Back to the Future thing instead. But upon coming back he realized things have changed...like how the Arrow now using boxing glove arrows.
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computer parts posted:But upon coming back he realized things have changed...like how the Arrow now using boxing glove arrows. "Ollie, why are you wearing purple?" "Who's Ollie? Have you seen my dog?"
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computer parts posted:But upon coming back he realized things have changed...like how the Arrow now using boxing glove arrows. WIN-WIN scenario
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So you know how the Flash was the most-watched CW series premiere in like five or six years? Apparently that is no longer true. The Flash is now the most-watched CW premiere ever.
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Spergatory posted:So you know how the Flash was the most-watched CW series premiere in like five or six years? Apparently that is no longer true. So 7 or 8 years then? 
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Rarity posted:So 7 or 8 years then? That is two more years than before.
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I can finally wear my CW Rocks! t-shirt out in public again, thank god. They're on an upward swing. Next year if this keeps up I might just wear my CW branded leather jacket!
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So I liked it... but I wasn't thrilled with Gustin.  That's a pretty major barrier to my enjoyment of a show, and I hope his acting improves.
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e X posted:I really hope we get the same Rogue dynamic and Flash/Rogue interaction we have in the comic. The Flash is a pretty awesome character on his own, but his relationship with his villains and his city at large is really what defines him as a hero. Hence why I am not fan of the "dead mom" retcon. In a Season 4 episode, the Flash and the Rogues go out drinking.
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Random Stranger posted:Believe it or not, I wrote 1991 at first and thought, "No wait, Messner-Loeb did that over a year before Waid took over." The showrunners had originally mentioned Piper as the last uncast regular. Clearly that's changed, but it is a character they like.
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jscolon2.0 posted:The showrunners had originally mentioned Piper as the last uncast regular. Clearly that's changed, but it is a character they like. You never know, as Felicity and Roy were just guests until later in the series.
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The show sold me right away when I saw John Wesley Shipp as the father, I grew up watch Flash and MacGuyver back as a kid. Having Amanda Paye as the mom probably would've been too meta.
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Spergatory posted:So you know how the Flash was the most-watched CW series premiere in like five or six years? Apparently that is no longer true. Really interested to see how the series does or doesn't hold up as it goes into its second episode tonight.
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bubblegumbo0 posted:The show sold me right away when I saw John Wesley Shipp as the father, I grew up watch Flash and MacGuyver back as a kid. Having Amanda Paye as the mom probably would've been too meta. She is gonna be in the show as Tina McGee, though.
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The Flash's ability seems a bit too good to me. Hard to believe he will ever be in any danger. When the weather guy points his gun at Barry I was just thinking "Just take it off him..."
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Yeah power creep is a big problem in pretty much all superhero media. It's much worse with Superman.
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Saki posted:The Flash's ability seems a bit too good to me. Hard to believe he will ever be in any danger. When the weather guy points his gun at Barry I was just thinking "Just take it off him..." Yes, that is pretty much the reason superspeed is easily the most over the top power there is. It doesn't really matter what power the villain has, because thanks to his speed, Flash basically has all the time in the world to figure out what counter measures to deploy. Even if you are some kind of really warping god, who can reshape the universe at a whim, you still have to form that thought and while your neurons are still firing, the flash has already punched you a billion time sin the face.
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zoux posted:Yeah power creep is a big problem in pretty much all superhero media. It's much worse with Superman. Superman has a much stronger mythos than the Flash though, the best stories about him are ones that don't focus on fighting or power levels or whatever, more on his otherness.
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e X posted:the Flash has already punched you a billion times in the crotch.
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e X posted:Yes, that is pretty much the reason superspeed is easily the most over the top power there is. It doesn't really matter what power the villain has, because thanks to his speed, Flash basically has all the time in the world to figure out what counter measures to deploy. Even if you are some kind of really warping god, who can reshape the universe at a whim, you still have to form that thought and while your neurons are still firing, the flash has already punched you a billion time sin the face. How's the weather in BSS?
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Rocksicles posted:How's the weather in BSS? Sorry that I brought the very comic specific, and not at all to the show related topic of "super speed is pretty neat huh?" into this thread. For the future I will stick to abs and trying to assign snack food to actress' faces. e X fucked around with this message at 16:59 on Oct 14, 2014 |
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e X posted:Sorry that I brought the very comic specific, and not at all to the show related topic of "super speed is pretty need huh?" into this thread. For the future I will stick to abs and trying to assign snack food to actress' faces. We're on to criticising fingernail length and slenderness of calves, now. God, it's like you don't even read the other thread.
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Saki posted:The Flash's ability seems a bit too good to me. Hard to believe he will ever be in any danger. When the weather guy points his gun at Barry I was just thinking "Just take it off him..." zoux posted:Yeah power creep is a big problem in pretty much all superhero media. It's much worse with Superman. e X posted:Yes, that is pretty much the reason superspeed is easily the most over the top power there is. It doesn't really matter what power the villain has, because thanks to his speed, Flash basically has all the time in the world to figure out what counter measures to deploy. Even if you are some kind of really warping god, who can reshape the universe at a whim, you still have to form that thought and while your neurons are still firing, the flash has already punched you a billion time sin the face. This is why, for now, Barry is gonna be capped at just under the speed of sound, and even if he does surpass that, I don't expect him to get too crazy for the TV series. Its enough that at say, point blank, he can dodge bullets should he know someone is gonna shoot, but if caught unawares, he won't necessarily be able to respond. That and as both the preview and the comic seem to indicate (though as discussed with Arrow, that's only canon until inconvenient), Barry in this case is gonna play up the biological exertion factor, rather than a certain plot device powering him completely and without fail 100% of the time. He clearly has to catch his breath after a particularly exhaustive burst, and the comics discuss him possibly passing out due to glucose levels being affected by his speed usage (unless that relates to the bad guy of the week rather than the powers themselves).
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Yeah, even on screen he was noticeably tired after running down the tornado. That's why he needed the save from the gun.
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e X posted:Sorry that I brought the very comic specific, and not at all to the show related topic of "super speed is pretty neat huh?" into this thread. For the future I will stick to abs and trying to assign snack food to actress' faces. It was a joke son, i read DC comics and BSS too.
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e X posted:Sorry that I brought the very comic specific, and not at all to the show related topic of "super speed is pretty neat huh?" into this thread. For the future I will stick to abs and trying to assign snack food to actress' faces. More that you seem to have completely ignored the context clues in the pilot that the TV version is not nearly as godly with his superspeed as the comics version is, so most of these complaints are irrelevant to this thread. This Flash can't even break the sound barrier at a dead sprint, let alone punch someone a billion times before they can think. Judging from the preview to tonight's episode, I think your concerns will be more explicitly addressed.
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McSpanky posted:More that you seem to have completely ignored the context clues in the pilot that the TV version is not nearly as godly with his superspeed as the comics version is, so most of these complaints are irrelevant to this thread. This Flash can't even break the sound barrier at a dead sprint, let alone punch someone a billion times before they can think. Before the speed force Wally always had to eat and then rest days. He also could not go past a certain speed due to these limitations.
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Yeah at this point there are bullets he couldn't even outrun.
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In the old Flash TV series didn't he have to eat constantly?
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zoux posted:In the old Flash TV series didn't he have to eat constantly? Yeah and the main female love interest was the one from the early Wally series.
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I hope they nip the power creep in the bud. Just have a whole episode where Wally beats the rogue of the week in the first 20 minutes but exerted himself so quickly he starts to fade/waste away/vibrate uncontrollably and has to deal with it for the rest of the episode. It at least sets up the cause of the headline from the end of the pilot while also setting an upper-limit and consequences to going too fast.
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