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You guys really can't see how Georgia could have been conquered by muslims, had their royal house converted and then gotten involved with their claims in Russia? You guys must play boring CK2 games... It is too easy to convert your vassals just by asking, though.
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 So, uh.  Not pictured: Sweden getting torn to pieces.
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Oct 13, 2014 09:55
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Well, now I have a different problem. Inherent to the game itself. A few bad ideas lead me to try assassinating an adventurer within my realm, which turned the mood sour against me and having more than half my realm turn towards wanting freedom. Now, being an ironman game, I was going to roll with the punches and see if I couldn't grab a victory, or at least, make sure I could take over what I lost once more. Unfortunately the game threw a fit when a full third of the counties on the map mobilized at once, and suddenly everything just ground to a halt. I waited for a full minute, but nothing moved. Eventually I just had to shut down the game manually, meaning the game never autosaved the revolt. So now I'm stuck before the revolt breaks out, trying to figure out how to make it not happen. Taking out the guy in charge of the faction doesn't work, they just replace him. And I don't have the money to bribe every faction member. Do I just give up at this point?
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Oct 13, 2014 10:23
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Vivian Darkbloom posted:Things get interesting if one of the major religions collapses. I conquered most Catholic countries and then a 30-year crusade broke out over Lollard Italy. I tried to intervene – turns out that if the pope is unlanded he just hangs around in Rome and his wars continue? Anyway, I couldn't stop Italy from losing, and this happened: I had a similar thing: 
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Oct 13, 2014 10:34
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HisMajestyBOB posted:How's that work? It stays with the old version or updates with a "light" version of the patch? Properties->Betas in Steam. At the moment patches 1.111 and 2.0.4 are available.
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Oct 13, 2014 10:48
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Are there any good maps of Europe in 769AD? I would like to get a feel for the political situation in the new bookmark, especially the Middle East and Eastern Europe.
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Oct 13, 2014 10:56
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NihilVerumNisiMors posted:Are there any good maps of Europe in 769AD? I would like to get a feel for the political situation in the new bookmark, especially the Middle East and Eastern Europe. http://geacron.com/en/?v=m&lang=en&z=2&x=0&y=25&nd=-1&d=&di=769&tm=p&ct=0&ly=yyyyyyy&fi=-500&ff=1500&sp=2&e=0&rp=0&re=0&nv=2
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Oct 13, 2014 10:59
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Really pumped for the Charlemagne release. Hopefully we'll see larger Kingdoms and Empires more frequently breaking apart/reforming.
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Oct 13, 2014 11:16
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Arnold of Soissons posted:I had a similar thing: In certain conditions, the territory marked for a crusade is given to whoever contributed the most. Fairly often the most helpful force is a holy order.
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Oct 13, 2014 11:21
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It only counts independent contribution by a holy order in those cases, right? So ones hire as mercenaries should count towards whoever hired them, rather than the order itself?
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Oct 13, 2014 11:32
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Ratpick posted:Also, I betrothed one of my daughters to an Aquitanian prince matrilinearly and then stabbed all of his older siblings. Now he's first in line to the throne and all of his kids will be of my dynasty. I also noticed that the Holy Roman Empire has formed, and another one of my daughters is matrilinearly bethroed to the future King of Bavaria. So, if I play this right I might be able to breed a Claim to the Holy Roman Empire into my bloodline and become the Holy Roman Emperor. If I do manage this I'll probably call it the Holy Norman Empire. Isn't there a chance that once your daughter and that prince are eligible for marriage, he won't accept the matrilineal bethrothing (is that a word?) anymore? Because he's now the heir and wants kids to be of his dynasty?
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Oct 13, 2014 11:44
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The Cheshire Cat posted:It only counts independent contribution by a holy order in those cases, right? So ones hire as mercenaries should count towards whoever hired them, rather than the order itself? Yes, unless they changed it since TOG.
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Oct 13, 2014 11:48
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Dapper Dan posted:Maybe a nation or culture or religion that honors the noble spirit of the Luchador. That could be because I'm on a big Guacamelee kick. Already got you covered:  The Sagrado Corazon faith (already present along the Rio Grande) follows the Rajas of India route, with traits for various adherents of specific cults within the faith.
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Oct 13, 2014 12:13
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Vichan posted:http://geacron.com/en/?v=m&lang=en&z=2&x=0&y=25&nd=-1&d=&di=769&tm=p&ct=0&ly=yyyyyyy&fi=-500&ff=1500&sp=2&e=0&rp=0&re=0&nv=2 Sweet Jesus look at the size of that Abbasid blob. I wonder how that will interact with the new anti-empire mechanics.
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Oct 13, 2014 12:17
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Arnold of Soissons posted:I had a similar thing: I wonder how the Serbian nationalists would view the Kingdom of Serbia, proud that it's an independent kingdom or horrified that it's ruled by Muslims? Automated Posting posted:Sweet Jesus look at the size of that Abbasid blob. I wonder how that will interact with the new anti-empire mechanics. Look at that screenshot from the Charlemagne dev diary: It's still huge but some of the more distant parts of the empire are independent kingdoms. Which is the right decision in my opinion, since the Abbasid Empire was much less centralized than the Byzantine Empire for example.
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Oct 13, 2014 12:22
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Now I know where the Germans in 1940 got their French partition plan from.
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Oct 13, 2014 12:46
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Torrannor posted:I wonder how the Serbian nationalists would view the Kingdom of Serbia, proud that it's an independent kingdom or horrified that it's ruled by Muslims? Who would 'Africa' be in that screenshot? If it's Muslim shouldn't it default to the Dynasty name?
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Oct 13, 2014 12:51
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Last Emperor posted:Who would 'Africa' be in that screenshot? It's actually culture that decides the realm name. Whoever holds Africa isn't Berber or Bedouin.
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Oct 13, 2014 12:57
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You know it just occurred to me that they're probably rebalancing retinues to make the demense limit increase from high centralization more desirable. With the way the game currently works, by the time you get into the upper tech levels you've probably already got a retinue so huge you barely even call up your demense troops at all, especially if you've got an empire where you can just call up your vassal levies instead. If retinues end up being less overpowering, you might actually want more personal holdings. Although I guess the thing about retinues is less about numbers and more about composition, so they'll probably still end up being way better than personal levies anyway.
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Oct 13, 2014 13:16
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Last Emperor posted:Who would 'Africa' be in that screenshot? It could be held by a ruler that is the same dynasty as an older larger realm.
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Oct 13, 2014 14:21
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Where can I find a list of changes for the new patch/dlc?
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Oct 13, 2014 15:08
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Elendil004 posted:Where can I find a list of changes for the new patch/dlc? Page 716
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Oct 13, 2014 15:27
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Back To 99 posted:You guys really can't see how Georgia could have been conquered by muslims, had their royal house converted and then gotten involved with their claims in Russia? You guys must play boring CK2 games... It is too easy to convert your vassals just by asking, though. Call it "asking" if you want, but the question is phrased along the lines of, "So, would you prefer to become a good faithful Catholic, or to have your head chopped off?"
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Oct 13, 2014 16:08
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Just noticed this re-reading the patch notes:quote:- Buying indulgence for your sins from the Pope now has a better opinion and piety effect than before, but can only be done once per lifetime. Since popes are usually old and don't reign more than a decade or so each, this actually seems to make the indulgence an even worse deal than it was before (assuming the indulgence relations bonus continues to apply only to the pope at the time you bought it, not to any successors.). But I guess if you really need the bonus...
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Oct 13, 2014 16:20
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Eric the Mauve posted:Just noticed this re-reading the patch notes: It's also a way to get piety, which can be something of a bottleneck if you live away from easy holy war targets and have several kingdoms to found.
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Oct 13, 2014 16:24
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Ratpick posted:Just looked at his dynasty. He's a Bagrationi, i.e. the ruling dynasty of Georgia. How the gently caress? no need to swear fealty imo. 1. County conquest for 1 or 2 of the Breton counties (get a duchy so you get more event troops from prepared invasion (someone correct me if I'm wrong on this)) 2. Start preparing an invasion for a medium-sized kingdom (a decent choice is Asturias/a kingdom of the Ummayads imo, but there are countless possibilities). While free event troops are streaming into your capital loot Rome/Venice/Amalfi a couple of times so you have enough money to get mercs if you need them. 3. After winning the prepared invasion you should be strong enough to win against most AI attackers, esp. if you get a decent alliance (a formed Denmark is good) After this you can focus on conquering enough holy places to reform the faith. (Don't convert to Catholic, wtf) Antwan3K fucked around with this message at 17:07 on Oct 13, 2014 |
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Oct 13, 2014 17:01
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Torrannor posted:It's also a way to get piety, which can be something of a bottleneck if you live away from easy holy war targets and have several kingdoms to found. The best money-to-piety deal is donating money to the holy orders at 1:1. This usually only applies to Catholics though, as they're the only ones whose holy orders get founded automatically without some serious intervention by the player. Maybe the Hashashin too, but I haven't spent much time as a Shia.
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Oct 13, 2014 17:01
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ninjahedgehog posted:The best money-to-piety deal is donating money to the holy orders at 1:1. This usually only applies to Catholics though, as they're the only ones whose holy orders get founded automatically without some serious intervention by the player. Maybe the Hashashin too, but I haven't spent much time as a Shia. This works for the Jomsvikings, too (and you also got a +10 temple opinion as well.) Of course that usually requires player intervention, but if you are playing as the Norse you are already doing your part 
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Oct 13, 2014 17:12
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http://www.twitch.tv/paradoxinteractive Charlemagne stream.
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ninjahedgehog posted:The best money-to-piety deal is donating money to the holy orders at 1:1. This usually only applies to Catholics though, as they're the only ones whose holy orders get founded automatically without some serious intervention by the player. Maybe the Hashashin too, but I haven't spent much time as a Shia. Also applies to muslims (and is basically required, since you need lots opf piety as a muslim ruler.
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Oct 13, 2014 17:14
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Eric the Mauve posted:Oh, and when you go to get your female ruler/heir married, make drat sure you remember to click the Matrilineal box. In elective (as in evilmiera's case) this isn't as bad a mistake as long as you have landed dynasty members. I routinely nominate female heirs in elective, the opinion penalty isn't so bad and I don't think I've ever been hit with a weak claim CB. It helps to have high diplomacy of course.
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Oct 13, 2014 17:16
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'Early Clothing' is one of the DLCs coming alongside Charlemagne tomorrow, apparently.
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Oct 13, 2014 17:21
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So I guess with Charlemagne coming out, I'll update my Gavelkind for All mod, which makes every country only have Gavelkind as an option. I'll change it to allow both types of Gavelkind, and depending upon how many history files I have to update, might have an option for Elective Gavelkind only.
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NihilVerumNisiMors posted:http://www.twitch.tv/paradoxinteractive Retinues have an upkeep! This is a major (and probably necessary) nerf to them.
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Sky Shadowing posted:'Early Clothing' is one of the DLCs coming alongside Charlemagne tomorrow, apparently. gently caress everyone with money, I just got RoI last week. e: Viceroys aren't feudal vassals according to the stream, so presumably they're their own class. Kind of obvious when you think about it. BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 18:02 on Oct 13, 2014 |
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Not So Fast posted:Retinues have an upkeep! This is a major (and probably necessary) nerf to them. I'm still trying to figure out why they didn't have one to begin with. Did they give an indication of how much it would cost, relatively speaking?
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Oct 13, 2014 17:58
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Given how long it takes retinues to fill up and therefore how you can't easily call them up for a war, I find it hard to imagine the upkeep cost of retinues won't be either "low enough that everyone will still maintain standing retinues anyway" or "high enough that retinues may as well not be in the game anymore." But we'll see.
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Oct 13, 2014 18:05
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Is there any way to convert Catholic holy order leaders to a Catholic heresy? Or are they hard-coded to be only Catholic, like the pope? I've got several holy order vassals who now hate me over this Cathar thing.
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Oct 13, 2014 18:06
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A few interesting things: 1. Tribes are designed to be fast growing but also very easy to implode. 2. Creating new Kingdoms doesn't give you de jure lands yet, but it will in a future patch.
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Clanpot Shake posted:Is there any way to convert Catholic holy order leaders to a Catholic heresy? Or are they hard-coded to be only Catholic, like the pope? I've got several holy order vassals who now hate me over this Cathar thing. I'm pretty sure all holy orders jump over to your heresy as long as more provinces follow your heresy than Catholicism.
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