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Darkman Fanpage posted:Just a reminder when Columbus reached Hispaniola the native population was either worked to death under the direction of Columbus himself in the growing, harvesting, and processing of sugar or died of disease brought by the Spanish. Columbus was so cruel that Spanish royal officials were horrified by the treatment the natives suffered at the hands of Columbus and his men. Pretty much all of the Caribbean native population was wiped out. There are no native tribes of the Caribbean, they went extinct. poo poo was so bad mothers were literally drowning their babies in a "wow, life sucks now, you shouldn't have to face this. Sorry, kid, nothing we can do" type of measure. Let that sink in. Murdering your own infant child was preferable to letting it grow up to live under Columbus. He and his crew were so awful they'd test their blades on the natives to see how sharp they were.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:The only moral genocide is my genocide. Often with how these guys defend it it's more like genocide is always moral, as it is the inevitable result of the strong and superior culture overcoming the weak. If that sounds fascist as gently caress, well...
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Oct 14, 2014 00:33
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"One tribe has modern technology, the other doesn’t. The ones who don’t have it will want it. Conflict will occur, regardless of skin color." Ah, gotcha, the Indians started it all out of their envy over our guns and horses. They deserved everything that happened to them then. Glad that's all sorted out.
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Oct 14, 2014 00:38
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Apparently Dr. Nancy Snyderman, a medical correspondent for NBC, violated a voluntary quarantine for her and her staff after someone they worked with in Liberia was diagnosed with Ebola. She wasn't symptomatic so there isn't any technical concern, but its basically giving right wing media and anti-vaxxers just the poo poo they're craving so expect to hear a torrent of smug and bullshit.
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Oct 14, 2014 00:40
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Might does make Right, but it is funny to then complain about Union thugs.
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Oct 14, 2014 00:52
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Thump! posted:"One tribe has modern technology, the other doesn’t. The ones who don’t have it will want it. Conflict will occur, regardless of skin color." Black people want full auto AR-15s; therefore, white genocide is justifiable. 
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Oct 14, 2014 00:55
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Darkman Fanpage posted:Just a reminder when Columbus reached Hispaniola the native population was either worked to death under the direction of Columbus himself in the growing, harvesting, and processing of sugar or died of disease brought by the Spanish. Columbus was so cruel that Spanish royal officials were horrified by the treatment the natives suffered at the hands of Columbus and his men. Pretty much all of the Caribbean native population was wiped out. There are no native tribes of the Caribbean, they went extinct.
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Oct 14, 2014 02:48
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Let's not forget taking child sex slaves and cutting people's hands off worn around their neck Wait, are we talking about Columbus or Rush?
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Oct 14, 2014 02:53
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Guilty Spork posted:[...]Normally we don't take kindly to people who do that. Hey now, he did it to non-whites. So conservatives are just fine with it.
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Oct 14, 2014 02:56
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Fulchrum posted:Wait, are we talking about Columbus or Rush? Yes.
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Oct 14, 2014 03:35
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beatlegs posted:Columbus was a sick, sociopathic, racist gently caress. That conservatives are defending him is completely unsurprising at this point, even expected. Of course they're defending him. They were taught as children that Columbus was this saint-like figure who had the courage to prove everyone else wrong and show that the world was round and discovered America all by himself. Anything else is sacrilege.
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Oct 14, 2014 04:22
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ToxicSlurpee posted:poo poo was so bad mothers were literally drowning their babies in a "wow, life sucks now, you shouldn't have to face this. Sorry, kid, nothing we can do" type of measure. He was so awful he was actually hauled back to Spain in chains and then forbidden from ever setting foot on Hispaniola again.
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Oct 14, 2014 04:25
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I think it's a big Holiday for Italian Americans. (in the same regard as Irish Americans with St. Patricks Day). Really, I think that's the only reason it's still a thing.
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Oct 14, 2014 04:53
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FuzzySkinner posted:I think it's a big Holiday for Italian Americans. (in the same regard as Irish Americans with St. Patricks Day). Columbus Day was more significant when Italians were still discriminated against. It was kind of a big deal back in the early 1900s to have a holiday in the US centered around an Italian -- which is why you see resistance in Italian communities to removing it. Unfortunately, they picked a genocidal jerk.
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Oct 14, 2014 04:56
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who is a good italian to have a day for?
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Oct 14, 2014 05:02
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Miltank posted:who is a good italian to have a day for? Amerigo Vespucci.
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Oct 14, 2014 05:03
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James Gandolfini. 
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Oct 14, 2014 05:04
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Miltank posted:who is a good italian to have a day for? How about that guy that got all the trains running on time?
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Oct 14, 2014 05:05
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MariusLecter posted:James Gandolfini. I'd take that day off.
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Oct 14, 2014 05:09
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I would totally celebrate a day dedicated to Pier Paolo Pasolini. 
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Oct 14, 2014 05:12
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I vote for Frank Zappa.
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Oct 14, 2014 05:12
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Miltank posted:who is a good italian to have a day for? Mario Andretti. Italian immigrant, came over to America and then kicked rear end in every form of the motor sport he had ever found himself strapped into.
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Oct 14, 2014 05:14
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MariusLecter posted:James Gandolfini. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4xIjWgBEMU
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Oct 14, 2014 05:19
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Columbus was Catalonian
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Oct 14, 2014 05:20
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Miltank posted:who is a good italian to have a day for? Sacco and Vanzetti
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Oct 14, 2014 05:23
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Anubis posted:Sacco and Vanzetti Was ready to post this, found I had been beaten.
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Oct 14, 2014 05:27
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Little Caesar.
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FuzzySkinner posted:I think it's a big Holiday for Italian Americans. (in the same regard as Irish Americans with St. Patricks Day). Irish-Americans = St. Patrick's Day African-Americans = Martin Luther King Jr. Dar Italian-Americans = Columbus Day Unions = Labor Day Veterans = Veteran's Day and so on There was a push in the 1980s to make Cesar Chavez's birthday a holiday, but it didn't take (Latinos didn't have quite enough political juice). Cinco de Mayo has become kind of an unofficial Latino holiday in some places. If you look at calendars from the 50s and 60s you'll often see "UN Day" highlighted (yeah, that didn't last). I wonder what would be the holiday or birthday that would signal Asian-Americans arriving on the political scene. George Takei's birthday?
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Oct 14, 2014 06:09
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David Wu Day. Tiger suits for everyone!
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Oct 14, 2014 06:17
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Well the thing is, I could understand if you were an Italian-American and were up in arms over it being taken away from you. Obviously, to you it means more because it's source of pride and a celebration of one's heritage. It's likely less about Columbus, and more about those sorts of things. As a german-american, I really wish I could go do a few Oktoberfests I see pop up around the US for example. EVERY Culture should have a day to celebrate something, and invite others to become introduced to one's customs/traditions. I do wish we could have a day to honor Native Americans for example. Stephen Crowder and others like him though? Just assholes looking for the next cross to bear against the imaginary "PC Police".
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Oct 14, 2014 06:40
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Crowder being Crowder Mayan is never properly used to refer to the civilization or ethnic group, it's Maya. Mayan refers strictly to the language. Also "Incans" is not a word, the society called Inca are more properly referred to as Tawantinsuyu, the Four Lands, and were a multi-ethnic empire. They were referred to as Inca by the Spanish because the title of their Emperor was Sapa Inca. It's like calling the British Empire and the people under the empire Her Royal Majesty the Queen.  As for the gold. They mined it. Usually with workers who were not slaves. God Crowder you are an ignorant idiot.
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Well look at Herr Hitler trying to celebrate German culture. This is where national news causes problems. Growing up in the Midwest, Italians were just regular Americans (note: the only Italian family at my school was actually Lebanese). What could be more American than pizza and pasta, everybody's favorite food, right? But, for example, I know a fair number of people in the Philly area who were raised "not to like people whose names ended in vowels" and many of them keep a bit of that wariness. In areas where Italian is just another shade of white, nobody cares about Columbus Day. In areas where Italian is another shade of brown, Columbus Day is going to matter a whole lot. This is one of the areas where national media and regional difference combines to create an "oppression" narrative. In areas where Italian is just another shade of white, Columbus Day is kind of embarrassing. Why differentiate yourself and, also, wasn't he actually Spanish? Post-Watergate, heroes don't have to be perfect anymore, so throw in the whole genocide discussion and it becomes a complete non-starter. But if Italian is a shade of brown, he's a cultural hero. Imperfect, sure. But he loving discovered America! How could you not celebrate him? In case you didn't notice, America's name also ends with a vowel!
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I'm a Euro-mutt: Dutch and German on one side (possibly Hessians who came over and quit the Revolutionary War to go farming), the entire British Isles on the other with a splash of "European Jewish" thrown in. Both sides were in America long enough to assimilate before my grandparents were even a sparkle in someone's eye. I'm not upset that there's no Welsh or Cornish Day but my genealogy is so muddled that I don't have an ancestral identity. A "Native American Day" will likely never happen because there were and still are so many diverse nations and they weren't all terribly peaceful toward each other. It would be nice to see a couple weeks each year in history/social studies classes devoted to whichever nation happened to be most prominent in each region but that would mean facing up to what Uncle Sam has done to them over the years and that'll never happen. Shbobdb posted:But, for example, I know a fair number of people in the Philly area who were raised "not to like people whose names ended in vowels" and many of them keep a bit of that wariness. I always wanted someone to speak up to noted anti-immigrant rear end in a top hat Tom Tancredo and say "You're awfully high and mighty about nativism for someone whose name ends in a vowel" just to see what he'd say.
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skaboomizzy posted:A "Native American Day" will likely never happen because there were and still are so many diverse nations and they weren't all terribly peaceful toward each other. It would be nice to see a couple weeks each year in history/social studies classes devoted to whichever nation happened to be most prominent in each region but that would mean facing up to what Uncle Sam has done to them over the years and that'll never happen.
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Oct 14, 2014 07:04
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If your last name ends in Y are you sometimes the wrong kind of immigrant?
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Oct 14, 2014 07:06
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I'm seeing a lot of slav in that Y, so I'm gonna say it usually acts like a vowel but some English names end in "y" so sometimes it can function as a consonant.
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moller posted:If your last name ends in Y are you sometimes the wrong kind of immigrant? If it's obvious that it used to end in an I and someone at Ellis Island 130 years ago just hit the Y key instead, then yes. Fake Edit: God dammit, Shbobdb
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My last name ends with 'Z' and Americans never spell my first or last name right on the first try so I'm like the worst immigrant.
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"They ... brought us parrots and balls of cotton and spears and many other things, which they exchanged for the glass beads and hawks' bells. They willingly traded everything they owned... . They were well-built, with good bodies and handsome features.... They do not bear arms, and do not know them, for I showed them a sword, they took it by the edge and cut themselves out of ignorance. They have no iron. Their spears are made of cane... . They would make fine servants.... With fifty men we could subjugate them all and make them do whatever we want." From the journal of Columbus upon meeting Americans.
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Which you could try to give him the benefit of the doubt on (he's being hypothetical, not tyrannical rear end in a top hat!) if he didn't do exactly that.
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