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Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
So TV Tropes finally raped harder than :tvtropes: would allow.

I'm not sure what's more impressive. The fact that they could, or that it 'only' took 8 goddamn pages.

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Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Ninjasaurus posted:

Where can I find this Internet Critics thread?

Here's Jay O's post history in that thread. Only three pages, so the Cross Ange stuff is easy to find.

Wanamingo
Feb 22, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

Ninjasaurus
Feb 11, 2014

This is indeed a disturbing universe.

Darth Walrus posted:

Here's Jay O's post history in that thread. Only three pages, so the Cross Ange stuff is easy to find.

:stare:

Cross Ange is some hosed UP poo poo.

e: Also, that Internet Critics thread seems really insufferable.

Ninjasaurus fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Oct 14, 2014

sweeperbravo
May 18, 2012

AUNT GWEN'S COLD SHAPE (!)

Oh, ha ha

corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!
Basic Trope: An erection
Played Straight: Bob thinks about his Love Interest (or is physically stimulated) and gets an erection.
Exaggerated: Bob's boner lasts for several hours.
Or is abnormally big and obvious.
Inverted: Alice and Bob are having sex and for whatever reason(s) (he's not physically attracted to Alice, guilt, too much alcohol, health problems, meds he's on, etc.) Bob can't achieve an erection.
Alternatively, Alice's nipples are visible through her shirt.
Justified: Bob is sexually aroused
Bob just woke up; it's just a hormonal response that doesn't really mean anything
Bob is taking vasodilators (such as Viagra)
Subverted: Bob watches Alice dance sexily, but his pants are still flat.
Double Subverted: But a cowlick on his head stands up
Deconstructed: If Bob's erection lasts too long, it can have serious medical implications. Also, since Finagle's Law dictates that this sort of socially embarrassing thing will happen at the worst possible time, it could cause embarrassment.
Reconstructed:
Parodied: Bob has Pants-Positive Safety, and a bunch of people are staring at him. He reaches in...and pulls out a gun.
Lampshaded: "Is that a gun, or are you just happy to see me?"
Averted: This issue is simply not dealt with.
Enforced: Rule of Funny, Rule of Sexy
Invoked: Alice tries to seduce Bob by getting him aroused.
Defied: Bob wears a garment that will prevent erections and/or tries the Think Unsexy Thoughts method.
Discussed: "Did you see Bob's presentation, or were you too distracted by his, ahem, 'problem'?"
Conversed: "What's the big deal? Guys get erections...without them, we wouldn't be here!"
Played For Laughs: Bob gets an erection, and must make his way home without being seen...amid lots of hot girls and Freudian imagery.
Played For Drama: Bob gets an erection during a particularly embarrassing time.

Chromius
Aug 5, 2014

Stays shiny, even in milk.

Burkion posted:

So TV Tropes finally raped harder than :tvtropes: would allow.

I'm not sure what's more impressive. The fact that they could, or that it 'only' took 8 goddamn pages.
It's more like the mods told everyone to stop talking about the rape imagery and talk about the other stuff in the show. But since there's not much else to talk about and that more than a few tropers think that Cross Ange is genuinely good they locked the thread.

Chromius fucked around with this message at 22:28 on Oct 14, 2014

Arist
Feb 13, 2012

who, me?



Holy poo poo

BlueDude
Aug 7, 2014

corn in the bible posted:

Played For Drama: Bob gets an erection during a particularly embarrassing time.

So dramatic. "Played for drama" is intended for actually dramatic moments, right?

Regalingualius
Jan 7, 2012

We gazed into the eyes of madness... And all we found was horny.





Between that and Jay-O's summary of the second episode from that link...

What the gently caress, Japan? What the fuckity gently caress?

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Sorry everyone, I've basically forgotten now. Is Jay O the woman who had a Tv Tropes page about herself and went 'OH JESUS CHRIST NO' on them about making it?

Regalingualius
Jan 7, 2012

We gazed into the eyes of madness... And all we found was horny.




RareAcumen posted:

Sorry everyone, I've basically forgotten now. Is Jay O the woman who had a Tv Tropes page about herself and went 'OH JESUS CHRIST NO' on them about making it?

Eeeyup.

HapiMerchant
Apr 22, 2014

Ninjasaurus posted:

:stare:

Cross Ange is some hosed UP poo poo.

e: Also, that Internet Critics thread seems really insufferable.

I love it when an internet celebrity comes into a community and is immediately swamped with adoration and blind devotion merely because of fame. or gender. or both. It's even worse when what they're saying is correct, because I have to fight my instinctive hatred of the person to see into their actual post quality.

corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!
i'm not sure being an "internet reviewer" gives someone so much as an irrevocable black mark against them

Arist
Feb 13, 2012

who, me?


HapiMerchant posted:

I love it when an internet celebrity comes into a community and is immediately swamped with adoration and blind devotion merely because of fame. or gender. or both. It's even worse when what they're saying is correct, because I have to fight my instinctive hatred of the person to see into their actual post quality.

This is pretty dumb.

Ninjasaurus
Feb 11, 2014

This is indeed a disturbing universe.

HapiMerchant posted:

I love it when an internet celebrity comes into a community and is immediately swamped with adoration and blind devotion merely because of fame. or gender. or both. It's even worse when what they're saying is correct, because I have to fight my instinctive hatred of the person to see into their actual post quality.

I wasn't specifically referring to her, just the general thread discourse I spent about 45 minutes reading.

Vaginapocalypse
Mar 15, 2013

:qq: B-but it's so hard being white! Waaaaaagh! :qq:

HapiMerchant posted:

I love it when an internet celebrity comes into a community and is immediately swamped with adoration and blind devotion merely because of fame. or gender. or both. It's even worse when what they're saying is correct, because I have to fight my instinctive hatred of the person to see into their actual post quality.

Source your quotes dude.

Dabir
Nov 10, 2012

Annointed posted:

JoJo and Legend of Galactic Heroes. By definition it said only one good thing came out of the box. In anime there were two. So it's less Pandora and more Sturgeon.

Didn't the Ancient Greeks consider hope to also be one of the curses of mankind?

Ron Paul Atreides
Apr 19, 2012

Uyghurs situation in Xinjiang? Just a police action, do not fret. Not ongoing genocide like in EVIL Canada.

I am definitely not a tankie.

Dabir posted:

Didn't the Ancient Greeks consider hope to also be one of the curses of mankind?

no, it's an alternate reading; either hope comes out of the box because Zeus wasn't a total jerk, or Pandora closes the box before the last curse, foresight, escapes, since then people would all live knowing exactly when they would die and hope would cease, because Zeus was a total jerk.

Cornwind Evil
Dec 14, 2004


The undisputed world champion of wrestling effortposting

Regalingualius posted:

Between that and Jay-O's summary of the second episode from that link...

What the gently caress, Japan? What the fuckity gently caress?

You know that phrase "From X's, to X's?". The feedback loops that creates can become something truly ugly.

SurreptitiousMuffin
Mar 21, 2010

HapiMerchant posted:

I love it when an internet celebrity comes into a community and is immediately swamped with adoration and blind devotion merely because of fame. or gender. or both. It's even worse when what they're saying is correct, because I have to fight my instinctive hatred of the person to see into their actual post quality.
OH NO THERE IS A GIRL ON THE INTERNET TALKING ABOUT ANIME.


BATTLESTATIONS, EVERYBODY. CODE SIGMA. THIS IS NOT A DRILL.

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

HapiMerchant posted:

I love it when an internet celebrity comes into a community and is immediately swamped with adoration and blind devotion merely because of fame. or gender. or both. It's even worse when what they're saying is correct, because I have to fight my instinctive hatred of the person to see into their actual post quality.

Oh gently caress the calls are coming from INSIDE THE THREAD

bucketmouse
Aug 16, 2004

we con-trol the ho-ri-zon-tal
we con-trol the verrr-ti-cal

HapiMerchant posted:

I love it when an internet celebrity comes into a community and is immediately swamped with adoration and blind devotion merely because of fame. or gender. or both.

I haven't given a poo poo about anime in years but it's still interesting to read someone eloquently dump on some abomination in their sphere of knowledge while giving clear reasons for exactly why they feel they way they do about it.

SerialKilldeer
Apr 25, 2014

bucketmouse posted:

I haven't given a poo poo about anime in years but it's still interesting to read someone eloquently dump on some abomination in their sphere of knowledge while giving clear reasons for exactly why they feel they way they do about it.

I own Roger Ebert's compilations of his most negative movie reviews for the same reason. Why should a good critic be bashed just because they're on the Internet and into anime?

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
Much as I might disagree with JO, I would not wish anyone to have TvTropes or TGWTG's community inflicted on them. And that riot she started vandalizing her own page was hilarious.

Cornwind Evil
Dec 14, 2004


The undisputed world champion of wrestling effortposting

SerialKilldeer posted:

Why should a good critic be bashed just because they're on the Internet and into anime?

Of all the things that get blighted by its bad fans, anime might be the very top. Ergo, the general default for a lot of people is 'Innately bad, anyone involved in it bad.'

Swan Oat
Oct 9, 2012

I was selected for my skill.
Games.

Cornwind Evil
Dec 14, 2004


The undisputed world champion of wrestling effortposting

I'm pretty sure if you gave the usual suspects in anime the equivalent circumstances, they'd be threatening school shootings too. That kind of idiot tends to be universal in their idiocy.

NobbytheSheep
Sep 2, 2011
I was happy in the haze of a drunken hour, but heaven knows I'm miserable now
The Doctor Who drinking game seems to be 'drink every time a character says or does anything'.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Cornwind Evil posted:

I'm pretty sure if you gave the usual suspects in anime the equivalent circumstances, they'd be threatening school shootings too. That kind of idiot tends to be universal in their idiocy.

Actually, anime fans can even outstrip poo poo like the Zoe Quinn and Anita Sarkeesian incidents when they put their minds to it. Look at what happens whenever a voice actress fails to be sufficiently 'pure' and sleeps with more than one guy.

Ninjasaurus
Feb 11, 2014

This is indeed a disturbing universe.

Darth Walrus posted:

Actually, anime fans can even outstrip poo poo like the Zoe Quinn and Anita Sarkeesian incidents when they put their minds to it. Look at what happens whenever a voice actress fails to be sufficiently 'pure' and sleeps with more than one guy.

I'm ready to be pushed down the rabbit hole. Tell me more.

Tracula
Mar 26, 2010

PLEASE LEAVE

Darth Walrus posted:

Actually, anime fans can even outstrip poo poo like the Zoe Quinn and Anita Sarkeesian incidents when they put their minds to it. Look at what happens whenever a voice actress fails to be sufficiently 'pure' and sleeps with more than one guy.

Or there's the Supernatural fans who harass the wives of the main two actors so badly they're afraid to show up at conventions nowadays. I believe the last straw was when one of them got reported constantly for being an escort/prostitute/whatever to authorities to the point she just had to leave basically. Moral is if you look every fanbase does its best to be the shittiest one out there and they always find ways to outstrip previous records.

Jerry Manderbilt
May 31, 2012

No matter how much paperwork I process, it never goes away. It only increases.

Ninjasaurus posted:

I'm ready to be pushed down the rabbit hole. Tell me more.

I remember when a fuckton of 4channers sent dick pictures to some Japanese voice actress on Twitter after some controversy involving her.

KiteAuraan
Aug 5, 2014

JER GEDDA FERDA RADDA ARA!


Jerry Manderbilt posted:

I remember when a fuckton of 4channers sent dick pictures to some Japanese voice actress on Twitter after some controversy involving her.

It was Aya Hirano right? That whole affair was a shitshow on both sides of the ocean, what with loving nerds flipping their poo poo over her having sex. It was basically anime #gamergate.

Jerry Manderbilt
May 31, 2012

No matter how much paperwork I process, it never goes away. It only increases.
Cripes, I didn't know about that one :catstare:

I remember some story where a few voice actors/actresses punked a voice actor down on his luck or something, and while 2chan boycotted those voice actors/actresses 4chan decided to send pictures of their dicks to one of the voice actresses involved via Twitter.

WickedHate
Aug 1, 2013

by Lowtax
Actual otaku in Japan can be the loving worst. (Site is :nws:, article is :nms:) As much as we mock the beliefs tropers have about Japan and the "age of consent is thirteen there" myth, the industry goes out of it's way to appeal to the lolicon crowd, and that's why anime is in such a disastrous state right now. Nearly everything is fetishy because that what rings money out of this niche audience of reclusive people that the rest of Japan holds in contempt. If you ever hear American geeks complain about The Big Bang Theory or something, you should tell them how goddamn good they have it compared to Japanese geeks, who have it a whole lot worse as far as public perception goes, and for the most part the industry thinks it can survive by appealing directly to them with all the moe loli trash they could ever want.

Would Japan be paradise for tropers? No, it'd actually a lot worse then it is here. But they aren't that different from Japanese geeks either. Creeps are creeps wherever you go, I guess.

Gimnbo
Feb 13, 2012

e m b r a c e
t r a n q u i l i t y




There is no aspect described in that article that isn't a terrible goddamn idea.

Joshlemagne
Mar 6, 2013

Darth Walrus posted:

Actually, anime fans can even outstrip poo poo like the Zoe Quinn and Anita Sarkeesian incidents when they put their minds to it. Look at what happens whenever a voice actress fails to be sufficiently 'pure' and sleeps with more than one guy.

This isn't an anime thing it's just a general attitude toward female entertainers that Japan has. And it's cute how you say "more than one guy". Here's an article about a Japanese pop star who had to shave her head and apologize to her fans in a desperate attempt to save her career all for the heinous crime of having a boyfriend (yes, just one, like a normal person).

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

WickedHate posted:

Actual otaku in Japan can be the loving worst. (Site is :nws:, article is :nms:) As much as we mock the beliefs tropers have about Japan and the "age of consent is thirteen there" myth, the industry goes out of it's way to appeal to the lolicon crowd, and that's why anime is in such a disastrous state right now. Nearly everything is fetishy because that what rings money out of this niche audience of reclusive people that the rest of Japan holds in contempt. If you ever hear American geeks complain about The Big Bang Theory or something, you should tell them how goddamn good they have it compared to Japanese geeks, who have it a whole lot worse as far as public perception goes, and for the most part the industry thinks it can survive by appealing directly to them with all the moe loli trash they could ever want.

Would Japan be paradise for tropers? No, it'd actually a lot worse then it is here. But they aren't that different from Japanese geeks either. Creeps are creeps wherever you go, I guess.

I opened that link, looked at the picture, looked at the title, said to myself "No, don't want." and closed it.


loving Hell Japan.

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Ninjasaurus
Feb 11, 2014

This is indeed a disturbing universe.

WickedHate posted:

Actual otaku in Japan can be the loving worst. (Site is :nws:, article is :nms:) As much as we mock the beliefs tropers have about Japan and the "age of consent is thirteen there" myth, the industry goes out of it's way to appeal to the lolicon crowd, and that's why anime is in such a disastrous state right now. Nearly everything is fetishy because that what rings money out of this niche audience of reclusive people that the rest of Japan holds in contempt. If you ever hear American geeks complain about The Big Bang Theory or something, you should tell them how goddamn good they have it compared to Japanese geeks, who have it a whole lot worse as far as public perception goes, and for the most part the industry thinks it can survive by appealing directly to them with all the moe loli trash they could ever want.

Would Japan be paradise for tropers? No, it'd actually a lot worse then it is here. But they aren't that different from Japanese geeks either. Creeps are creeps wherever you go, I guess.

Oh sweet Jesus. :suicide:

They're pushing it as much as they can get away with. You just know that if they'd be able to legally pimp out these girls (in a more literal sense), they would.

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