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The crash to desktop whenever I click the religion button is pretty awesome.
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I'm in 796 and have total control of Ireland and have successfully Invaded Pictland. No-one else in the British Isles can muster more than 2000 troops and I have a 47% chance each year of my Steward finding 3700 troops down the back of his sofa. On top of the 2500 levies I can call on, plus the 2500 Tribal Force available if I get bored.
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Oct 15, 2014 08:05
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Adventurers and their absurd armies are the #1 one reason I haven't played this game in months, and I was kind of looking forward to this expansion. It's a shame that hasn't been fixed.
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Oct 15, 2014 08:06
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Gorelab posted:(Also I wish they'd make it so that the mongols basically vassalized everyone they invaded.) That's a pretty good idea. Might require a new CB though.
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Oct 15, 2014 08:19
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Fister Roboto posted:Adventurers and their absurd armies are the #1 one reason I haven't played this game in months, and I was kind of looking forward to this expansion. It's a shame that hasn't been fixed. A fringe problem that will only affect some games possibly and that is fairly easy to overcome through several methods is enough to stop you from playing? For gods sake if it bothers you that much just use the drat console, adventurers aren't common at all.
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Oct 15, 2014 08:23
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I don't think I've ever been beaten or felt threatened by an adventurer.
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Oct 15, 2014 08:27
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Knuc U Kinte posted:I don't think I've ever been beaten or felt threatened by an adventurer. he arrived with an army one eighth the size of my retinue
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Oct 15, 2014 08:52
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Was having fun in my easy just mess around byzantium game until the ability to make viceroys disappeared. Guess I am going to go play something else until the bugs are fixed.
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Oct 15, 2014 08:54
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They were completely broken and spawning with 99,000 if you didn't assassinate them before. And now I have 15 kids so I don't think the HRE is going to last too long after Charlemagne kicks it. 
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Oct 15, 2014 08:54
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Start a game, the king has three wives die due to pneumonia within five years. Start another game, and the king has three wives die of pneumonia within ten years. I'm sensing a problem.
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Oct 15, 2014 09:07
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Eric the Mauve posted:Maybe. But there's some fairly important stuff that's broken in this patch, and while it would be fine if we were offered this patch to play, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth that we're forced to. That plus the fact we can't finish our current games unless we were willing to take Steam offline last night and leave it offline until we're done. There's meant to be a rollback version available, but there's some problem getting it to go active on Steam. Will be up ASAP. And while it won't help you now, if you want to avoid being forced to update you can always just copy your CK2 folder to another location and play from there when a new patch is coming. E: Actually, I am told 2.1.6 is up in the beta tab already. Darkrenown fucked around with this message at 09:41 on Oct 15, 2014 |
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Oct 15, 2014 09:28
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Just moving the start date ahead with a mod to 769 still works fine. 
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Oct 15, 2014 09:48
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Lost Season posted:I found I could raid (and take concubines(??)) as a tribal catholic, so that helped with the income problem, but that still means a good deal of waiting while you wait for shipbuilding tech and the funds to build a shipyard. Of course I don't know if raiding and/or concubines are intended features for tribal catholics, so if they get pulled then yeah, you're going to spend a lot of time sitting on your hands. No, raiding for tribals is intentional. I'm surprised you found anyone to raid, though; you're not allowed to raid anyone of the same religion as you. Which makes even less sense than restricting raiding to tribals/pagans. 
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Oct 15, 2014 10:07
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Blobbing is still quite possible under the new regime. I had been aiming for the SPQR achievement as the Roman Empire before the patch hit, but still had a few stragglers to mop up, and expected the empire the explode when I loaded it up last night. I had to reduce my retinues by about 60% to get under the new cap and keep the costs under control. I'm now paying about 30 gold a month just to keep them around, and they are hugely expensive if they lose a few troops to battle or attrition - the monthly costs go into the 100s. I've had to use the buttons that regulate the reinforcement of retinues for the first time, and can no longer rely on retinues alone for conquest and defence against jihads. I had to create and give out a ton of kingdoms to get under the vassal cap, which, on top of the retinue costs, was very expensive, but once I finished the housekeeping the empire returned to stability and I have a decent monthly income, though not as much as before. So the empire is stable but substantially less powerful, and I have to use more of the mechanics of the game rather than relying on free retinues to stomp everyone, so the changes are very positive in my opinion. Of course, that's with a huge empire already built up. I don't know how more difficult they will be to form.
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Oct 15, 2014 10:09
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For the record, I played a century yesterday and didn't encounter any bugs. At least, no bugs that I couldn't see being WAD for some really stupid value of D. Converting to a republic converts all holdings you own with a level 4 market to a city- but not any eligible ones owned by tribal vassals. Said vassals don't seem to want to convert themselves, either, even when you build all the buildings for them. I can't seem to revoke tribal titles for free, either, though I'm fairly certain I'm supposed to be able to (or was that just for castle-holders?). Oh, and if you take a new tribal holding, upgrade it and then convert it to a city, it shows up in the chronicle with the same message as converting to a republic the first time did. So I have abandoned my tribal ways and founded the glorious Pictish Republic eight times now, apparently. It also seems really easy to get up to absolute tribal authority or whatever it's called- you can push it forwards every five or ten years or so, and no one ever seems to vote against it. That makes it basically irrelevant.  Also also Wales isn't tribal? I guess you could argue that the English don't qualify (I think I'd put the transition with Alfred, though), but Wales? This poo poo is mad farcical. Also also also, regions of India that were still tribal under the British Raj are fully paid up feudals in 769. Is the scenario this bad everywhere?
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Oct 15, 2014 10:25
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So, uh, don't convert to a merchant republic with your first possible city out of a domain of a dozen counties. The game doesn't explode, but man does it not treat you gently.
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Oct 15, 2014 11:15
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Autonomous Monster posted:Said vassals don't seem to want to convert themselves, either, even when you build all the buildings for them. Oh, okay, they'll happily convert themselves to feudalism. Even when they are in fact Patricians. Does anyone have a cacking_johan.gif because I think I could do with one right about now.
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Oct 15, 2014 11:22
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Huh. Aren't norse supposed to be able to have conquest CB on each other? For some reason I don't have any CB on anyone else in scandanavia.
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Oct 15, 2014 11:23
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Mantis42 posted:So giving retinues a monthly upkeep cost makes them worst than levies and mercenaries and therefore utterly pointless. This is what you get when you put the old EU4 balance team on a good game. I'm playing as Charlemagne now, I've got a retinue of 6400(8120 point value) and I'm paying just a bit over 2 gold per month, so it's not that bad. I'm still making 11 gold per month. I'm really liking the changes to retinues, but I haven't tried playing as a smaller ruler, though. I haven't noticed any bugs either, as a Christian feudal ruler.
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Oct 15, 2014 11:24
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Also creating a Kingdom with the duchy of Uppsala ends up with you getting a kingdom with the norse name for Sweden. When gavelkind splits it and normal Sweden it... ends up silly after trying to take back the old land. I ended up modding out the second Sweden from my character.
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Oct 15, 2014 11:39
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Gorelab posted:Huh. Aren't norse supposed to be able to have conquest CB on each other? For some reason I don't have any CB on anyone else in scandanavia. No.
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Oct 15, 2014 11:50
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Got the patch and as predicted, my realm is completely screwed up. After painstakingly offering up all the vassals I could to my kings and dukes, I still had way more than the limit allowed, so I'm making no money whatsoever and my levies are at 0. Guess I'll wait for this to get resolved somehow.
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Oct 15, 2014 11:51
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But you can't raid your neighbouring provinces anymore, since everyone and their grandmothers are independent. I still managed to form the Empire of Rogaland, but it took some time. And then, after taking on Braunschweig and Zeeland (and some other other countries on the way to get pretty borders), the pope ordered a crusade on me in the 800 and somethings. Makes me kinda not want to go to Jerusalem and Mekka and make them Germanic.
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Oct 15, 2014 12:04
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OddObserver posted:Really liking the new pagan counselor actions. Seems there's a Linux bug related to threading, but as a workaround you can start your game with the -threads=1 commandline argument.
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Oct 15, 2014 12:09
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Also elective gavelkind seems insanely bad about giving your current capital away. I love it in general but that plus the whole Sweden Sweden thing should probably be jiggered with a bit.
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Oct 15, 2014 12:11
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You could argue that the Sweden-Sweden split is something like the historical Sicily-Sicily (Naples) one. 
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Oct 15, 2014 12:19
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So, I left the game running over night. One thing I noticed was that the game seems to run slower. Used to be I could get through 200 years plus over night, now I just made it to 1044. Also, OH GOD OH MAN. I have the feeling the Abbasids are just going to roll at this rate, though they currently are over the vassal limit by a good bit and seem to be making no effort to solve that problem.
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Oct 15, 2014 12:31
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If you are having issues with adventurers then you really aren't using all of the tools you have available to you. Alliances with powerful and useful neighbours is one particular tool available to even the battle.
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Oct 15, 2014 12:41
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So the neighboring duchy was owned by a guy who I was his heir so I had him killed so that's okay. However it contained 4 counties which I wanted to own them all. I managed to get two of them and was working on the last two. I plotted to kill a guy and he went into hiding. This never seemed to go anywhere because it seemed like he could stay in hiding forever so I stopped plotting to kill him. I think next I will declare some minor war and put him in charge of the smallest army I can and then charge him head first into the enemy. Overall I would have 8 counties once I get them all with 2 duchies and are going to fill them all with cities to make me rich.
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Oct 15, 2014 12:48
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Another Person posted:If you are having issues with adventurers then you really aren't using all of the tools you have available to you. Alliances with powerful and useful neighbours is one particular tool available to even the battle. I dont had any great difficulties with adventurers, they were always manageable to me and usually comes mid, late game, and is never that hard. Still, it is dumb as gently caress that a random joe in England can all of a sudden raise an army bigger than Persia out of thin air, for example. Makes less sense than an aztec invasion of Europe, and that's why I dont like it.
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Oct 15, 2014 12:52
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Isn't it more of a cause for something that CK2 can't really emulate wtihout stuff like that. Like in game a sane norman invasion of Sicily would be put down in an instant, so you kinda have to give them enough troops to have a chance.
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Oct 15, 2014 12:53
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This thread makes it sound like adventurers pop up every other month; I haven't seen one gunning for me since SoA came out
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Oct 15, 2014 12:56
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The game keeps crashing at the loading screen in the beginning right as it's "Calculating paths", a reinstall didn't fix the problem... EDIT: The problem seems to have fixed itself, what the gently caress?
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Oct 15, 2014 12:57
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Funky Valentine posted:This thread makes it sound like adventurers pop up every other month; I haven't seen one gunning for me since SoA came out Its random, I guess. In my last game I had like 4 in less then 10 years in one occasion. In another, I had 2 at the same time. EDIT: I guess they could make it so adventurers will strike when the nation is weakened (like in the middle of a civil war, for example), so they can have a believable number of armies and still be a challenge. Makes a lot more sense to me Elias_Maluco fucked around with this message at 13:08 on Oct 15, 2014 |
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Oct 15, 2014 13:00
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TheMcD posted:So, I left the game running over night. One thing I noticed was that the game seems to run slower. Used to be I could get through 200 years plus over night, now I just made it to 1044. Also, OH GOD OH MAN. I left mine running for about an hour and the Abbasids, along with Umayyad where just steamrolling the Europe nations. On the other hand, the new Orthodox heresy becoming the main Orthodox religion seems to make the game crash. quote:Adventure talk I seem to be the odd one in that every game I get about 3/4 Adventure events against me, the majority of the time they are equal or greater than my total force limits, I ended up doing a huge rage quit when two went off within two years against my long hard worked Jewish Abyssinia, both being 3 times my complete retinue and levy size Stevefin fucked around with this message at 13:06 on Oct 15, 2014 |
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Oct 15, 2014 13:01
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I think whenever you save and reload a game you lose viceroys. At least it did when I tested it as Byzantium. What a hilariously obvious bug.
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Oct 15, 2014 13:09
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Funky Valentine posted:Jesus christ the county names in Ireland now. Yeah, I'm not fond of this at all. The only bad thing about King leaving Paradox is now I fear the same poo poo will happen to Scotland, too.
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Oct 15, 2014 13:25
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Decided to run a game in observer mode to see what the AI'd be up to when this happened:   Karloman's 7 year old son is king now, this could be promising!
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Oct 15, 2014 13:31
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Kainser posted:Yeah, that really should be added to regular Gavelkind as well to make it harder to exploit. Could someone spill the beans on the details of Zunism? I'm not all that interested in the Charlemagne stuff, but new religions to play with are always fun.
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Oct 15, 2014 13:48
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Ratpick posted:Could someone spill the beans on the details of Zunism? I'm not all that interested in the Charlemagne stuff, but new religions to play with are always fun. Think the non-Norse/Tengri pagans, only even more hosed by positioning. EDIT: also, they have a holy site in Egypt for some godforsaken reas - oh, Ra, right.
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