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Vichan posted:Decided to run a game in observer mode to see what the AI'd be up to when this happened: I had that same thing happen but he died in 782 before he could really do anything.
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I knew it was going to be hilarious, but I decided not to bother with trying to keep the old version and just roll on and see what happened. Francia at this point consisted of everything from Spain to Bohemia, just about all of Italy (save maybe 1 duchy still in Byzantine hands), and all of Britannia. The only king vassal I had at that point was Scotland. Sadly, after the untimely death of Loup II whilst fighting some lovely vikings, the Empire was inherited by his brother Guy at age 7 or something. I think I had just about made it to 12 by the time I left it. Empire was fairly stable, with only one large Independence faction which was pretty easy to placate with gold whenever it got too big. A day passes... Chaos reigns in the Empire. My vassal limit is about half what it would need to be, I'm now over my demesne limit by a few, and the Independence faction is now at 150% of my strength. I check on that last one first; turns out my vassals are all so furious at how over the limit I am that they're now contributing 0 levies. I gotta drop vassals and fast. No problem, I've got a bunch of kingdom titles knocking about, I'll hand out a few viceroyalties and we're good to go. Except... the crown law for viceroyalties was never set, and since I'm still in a regency, I can't change it. So I'm forced to give out actual kingdoms; Italy takes care of a bunch (too many, I'm sure I'm going to regret losing it at some point), I create and hand out Andalusia, I give England back to the guy who held it before the previous emperor pressed his personal claim, and I give out Ireland and Burgundy to the guys there who hate me least. That still left me over, but the penalty was much more manageable. Now I just needed to ride out a few more years of regency and then clean up the mess. Sure enough, Guy comes of age, marries some genius Greek lady, and changes the goddamn crown law so he can name viceroys. Perfect. Germany and Aquitaine get new Viceroys, my vassal count is finally under the limit. All is set for a long and fruitful reign. Until Guy dies of illness at 16 and passes the Empire to his 7 year old nephew.  Either way it seems fairly stable right now, but I can't wait to see how quickly the empire all crumbles away.
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Oct 15, 2014 14:12
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So now the Abbasids just invaded Turkestan and Panjab. And who the gently caress's going to stop them at this rate? They're nearing 100K army size in 1072 with a realm size of over 1000, the next closest being somewhere around 300. Holy gently caress.
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Oct 15, 2014 14:21
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I had a battle that was fairly even numbers wise (it was me vs. england, I was trying to just win real quick with my retinue+personal levy), had generals on everybody, but got totally slaughtered and I'm not sure why. There wasn't any defensive bonuses involved, both our stacks were 12,000ish, my generals weren't the greatest but they weren't garbage either. The only thing I can think of is that merging my retinue and levy into a doom stack made them lose, somehow. Would it have been better to keep them split up? e: not sure what my army composition was, but well over half was heavy infantry thanks to my retinue.
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Oct 15, 2014 15:10
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So what's the mechanic for transforming Hill Forts into proper Castles? I reformed a tribal to a feudal system and I'm getting sick of looking at that "Wrong Holding Type" button.
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DiseasedTempest posted:I had a battle that was fairly even numbers wise (it was me vs. england, I was trying to just win real quick with my retinue+personal levy), had generals on everybody, but got totally slaughtered and I'm not sure why. There wasn't any defensive bonuses involved, both our stacks were 12,000ish, my generals weren't the greatest but they weren't garbage either. The only thing I can think of is that merging my retinue and levy into a doom stack made them lose, somehow. Would it have been better to keep them split up? Any of your generals shy or craven or whatever? The Hesitant Commander "tactic" is a pain in the dick and will lose you fights. Without knowing what the composition of both stacks was it'll be hard to call Zeroisanumber posted:So what's the mechanic for transforming Hill Forts into proper Castles? I reformed a tribal to a feudal system and I'm getting sick of looking at that "Wrong Holding Type" button. Adopt Feudalism all day erry day. (if you have a tribal holding fully upgraded somewhere you'll get the opportunity to take the decision again)
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Oct 15, 2014 15:36
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 So, anyone know what it is I must manually disable? Crazy Ted posted:Start a game, the king has three wives die due to pneumonia within five years. Start another game, and the king has three wives die of pneumonia within ten years. I'm sensing a problem. I noticed that too--apparently they jacked the "get pneumonia in childbirth and die soon after" rate way up in this patch, though I don't see any reference to it in the patch notes. I figured it was just the RNG until you said something. evilmiera posted:Got the patch and as predicted, my realm is completely screwed up. After painstakingly offering up all the vassals I could to my kings and dukes, I still had way more than the limit allowed, so I'm making no money whatsoever and my levies are at 0. Guess I'll wait for this to get resolved somehow. I don't think that's going to get resolved--that's working as intended, not a bug.
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Oct 15, 2014 15:47
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Autonomous Monster posted:Any of your generals shy or craven or whatever? The Hesitant Commander "tactic" is a pain in the dick and will lose you fights. Yeah, I once lost a battle where I had the numbers advantage against a stack of peasants, mostly light inf, with my retinues due to the hesitant commander tactic. Traits are often much more important than high martial attribute.
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Oct 15, 2014 15:48
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Putting someone Cruel in charge of a siege really does seem to help a little.
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Oct 15, 2014 15:49
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Never had my liege try to have my heir educated by someone else specifically so he'd be my leige's culture instead of my own
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Oct 15, 2014 15:56
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RonJeremysBalzac posted:Never had my liege try to have my heir educated by someone else specifically so he'd be my leige's culture instead of my own That was added in one or two patches ago, I think. It comes up a lot if you're not your liege's culture, and tanks your relations with him if you have a lot of kids. My reaction is invariably "I'm not necessarily opposed to that, but the person you're demanding I hand my heir over to is a drooling chucklefuck so, uh, no thanks."
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Oct 15, 2014 16:01
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Eric the Mauve posted:
I'm guessing the new DLC.
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Oct 15, 2014 16:07
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Autonomous Monster posted:Adopt Feudalism all day erry day. That is clunky & super-expensive (700g!) and I hope they fix it.
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Oct 15, 2014 16:07
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Because I know people from Paradox are reading this thread: Can we please get an easier way to deal with prisoners? Either "Release/Ransom all" decisions or just make the release/ransom/execute buttons automatically do that with one click. It's just such a pain to deal with hundreds of prisoners, especially since most of them are worthless. If I click the ransom button, just send a ransom request instantly rather than bring up the diplomacy menu. 
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Oct 15, 2014 16:08
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My Charlemagne is pretty spry for an 81-year-old  
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Oct 15, 2014 16:11
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Back To 99 posted:I'm guessing the new DLC. Yeah, CM and any of the new graphical DLCs.
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Oct 15, 2014 16:14
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My Charlemagne died in battle before ever forming the empire so west and middle Francia are different kingdoms again. Also the caliph is getting beat on pretty hard and it wasn't even my doing. He (the caliph is like 10 years old) is losing a holy war to this dude who has a total realm levy of 600 troops.  I just declared war to pick off some easy territory because his max levy is about 25,000 the same as mine. His current levy is barely 5000 guys.
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Oct 15, 2014 16:18
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I also noticed after the patch all my Frankish culture guys were now French. Is there a specific trigger for that now? Is it going to make any difference?
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Lamont Cranston posted:I also noticed after the patch all my Frankish culture guys were now French. Is there a specific trigger for that now? Is it going to make any difference? It's a melting pot event like the anglo-saxon -> english thing. Frankish has a different retinue type (straight HI) and is in the German rather than Latin culture group. I think that's about it.
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Oct 15, 2014 16:23
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The "this character has claims on" tooltip is my favourite little new feature of the DLC.
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Oct 15, 2014 16:30
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Is shift+drag+click to select only ships a new feature of this patch or was it added last patch? I know it was already in eu4.
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Oct 15, 2014 16:35
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Does this patch have a new "feature" where clicking on the bar beneath units (with the flag and strength of the army) doesn't select the unit? For me, it makes a clicking noise but nothing else happens, unless you click the unit itself. Tiny irritation, but annoying especially with a trackpad.
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Oct 15, 2014 16:35
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Zeron posted:A fringe problem that will only affect some games possibly and that is fairly easy to overcome through several methods is enough to stop you from playing? For gods sake if it bothers you that much just use the drat console, adventurers aren't common at all. It happened to me often enough that the game stopped being fun. Here's what I'm talking about : Fister Roboto posted:So hey, here's some photographic evidence of "adventurer hosts are horribly broken": the adventurer here gets about 30k troops. With all my personal and vassal levies and my 7000 retinue troops (Ethiopian skirmishers, which is the only reason I have so many), I barely have over half their numbers. If I went all out and hired all the mercenaries and holy order troops available to me, they'd still outnumber me.
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Oct 15, 2014 16:47
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Idly scanning the merc list, I noticed that merc ships were effectively removed (you get 10 ships at a time for a huge pile of money rather than 100 now). Is that new or was that from some time ago? I'm not sure if anyone has ever hired merc ships anyway. Re Adventurers: you can still console kill them, right? Not in Ironman, of course. At any rate it's pretty clear that adventurers are meant to be the equivalent of Chutes and Ladders square 87. You are supposed to lose.
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Oct 15, 2014 17:12
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Is it me, or have the COAs for each title been scrambled?
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Fister Roboto posted:It happened to me often enough that the game stopped being fun. Here's what I'm talking about : clearly you don't like losing enough  . Adventurers have sucked since their inception (due to army strength) and since they've removed the assassination button we just have to suck them up. In other words, gently caress this mechanic.
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cheesetriangles posted:Is shift+drag+click to select only ships a new feature of this patch or was it added last patch? I know it was already in eu4. It's been in the game for ages, since before Old Gods at least, maybe even since launch. Though I didn't find out about it until I had already played the game for some time.
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It's a small thing, but I really like the seasonal changes they added. It always bugged me in my Scandinavia game that Europe was locked in an endless summer, and I don't even use the terrain map very often. Plus it means that winter in the Game of Thrones mod will get a little graphical boost.
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double nine posted:clearly you don't like losing enough Yeah it could be different and still effective. Have adventurers trigger due to a hidden factor like just conquered a bunch of land, just finished a long war, a large religious or cultural revolt just happened, there is a huge faction that is likely to revolt, you are in a regency, you are a female, you are weak/incapable/craven, ect. Make it so they still "scale to x" where x is 50% of your levies. Just randomly out of the blue forming a host to invade with is strange and dumb. Forming a host to take advantage of a child holding a throne, or a weak rear end in a top hat holding a throne, or whatever, is smarter and more sensible. Make it so if an adventurer is invading your neighbor is more likely to say "well poo poo, he'll be distracted! and attack". pdxjohan posted:There are nobody from the EU4 team on the CK2 team.. (unless you count artists and QA) I am going to be honest with you and say that your QA people suck at their jobs. I am not saying I could do it better (I probably could once I established a method and list of what to do) but the people you have doing it miss A LOT, and they do it OFTEN. That being said, I think Paradox does great things and I will continue to buy Paradox products, but I will be doing it once those products go on sale because by the time they go on sale the bugs may (but are not always) fixed. tl;dr you could be getting more money out of me. AAAAA! Real Muenster fucked around with this message at 17:51 on Oct 15, 2014 |
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Like a few other issues with this game, hosts would make more sense if the game kept track of population. Like if an area has lots of spare young men, a large host will form around a local character. Would also make for a better black death, better religious/cultural revolts, and better mongols.
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Did you always get claims on the titles belonging to everyone in a revolt that you started once the revolt ended?
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Holy poo poo are the Zunists bland as gently caress. I'm pagan but can't raid my neighbors? gently caress that. The metal as gently caress execution method doesn't even give any popups for the executioner. I want to hear all about how my prisoners got baked under the sun damnit!
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So I just booted up the game as the Byzantine Emperor and saw that myself and half my court are Iconoclasts. Not a big deal, but within like 3 years all of my provinces had converted to the Iconoclast heresy of their own accord. That seems somewhat fast.
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Do adventurers spawn without warning or are they like a norse invasion attempt in that you get an 2-year notice before the adventurer actually attacks you. I can't remember. Just getting an advance warning allowing you to prepare would do a little to alleviate the bullshit. I still don't like that they removed assassination.
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So far my feelings are that the patch changes and the addition of viceroys are very nice, but the 769 start itself is pretty meh, since its basically the same as 867 except much more blobby. That said I haven't had a chance to play any game very far past the death of Karl, so maybe things get shaken up, but it's hard to imagine the Abbasid mega tumor or the Byzantines ever being dislodged. Railroading it so dramatically that Saxons are always hosed and that East and West Francia will nearly always combine doesn't help in that regard, either. I do think the tribal stuff is very cool though!
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double nine posted:Do adventurers spawn without warning or are they like a norse invasion attempt in that you get an 2-year notice before the adventurer actually attacks you. I can't remember. Just getting an advance warning allowing you to prepare would do a little to alleviate the bullshit. Same, having to rely solely on plots is just...I don't know, it definitely doesn't add to the fun.
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Eric the Mauve posted:Idly scanning the merc list, I noticed that merc ships were effectively removed (you get 10 ships at a time for a huge pile of money rather than 100 now). Is that new or was that from some time ago? I'm not sure if anyone has ever hired merc ships anyway. IIRC the ship mercs don't show up till 1066.
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Apoffys posted:Because I know people from Paradox are reading this thread: Also can you guys please stop screwing up my message settings with every patch? I have to click roughly 800 billion times to get them the way I want. If you could make a "Set all" button so they could be all set to a particular priority with a single click that would be outstanding.
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Drone posted:So I just booted up the game as the Byzantine Emperor and saw that myself and half my court are Iconoclasts. Not a big deal, but within like 3 years all of my provinces had converted to the Iconoclast heresy of their own accord. That seems somewhat fast. I was really excited that Paradox was going to model the whole Iconoclast controversy but instead it's reversed by decision and there aren't really any major consequences either way... 
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