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IIRC, video games are now a bigger industry than movies at this point. That could be hog-wash though and I haven't exactly fact-checked it but if that is the case than I can see why so many assholes are up in arms about it. Sheer volume of exposure will do that I guess. That and gamers usually are loving scum of the earth and I say that as someone who plays lots of video games.  Propaganda for the militant group Islamic State appears to have escalated into the realm of video games.
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This is all of y'all: Also, the catalyst for a soccer brawl today: 
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When I think of Borderlands the only think I think of is this tweet.
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Patomanso posted:bad reddit opinions where 'skeleton' was replaced by īskeletonsī This thing is awesome 
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Gamergate is just two armies of dumbfucks clashing together in an orgy of pretension, stupidity and false flagging for lack of a real issue. Ignore it. It's not worth anybody's time.
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Sir John Falstaff posted:This is all of y'all: Deeply cool with that as long as I get to be Booger. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yib5dcbzCTY
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It's misogynist shits issuing death threats to women who commit the horrible crime of being involved in the video game industry. "Ignore them and they'll go away" doesn't work with bullies and it sure won't work with these shits.
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Oct 15, 2014 05:51
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Are you loving kidding me? gently caress this country.  e: I should say Utah but plenty of other states would have done the same thing. Herp derp, gotta be able to carry that pistol into public places because scary otherkins!
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SuperDucky posted:Are you loving kidding me? gently caress this country. So feminism is about taking people's guns away? 
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SuperDucky posted:Are you loving kidding me? gently caress this country. The 2nd amendment triumphs again! 
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MariusLecter posted:So feminism is about taking people's guns away? No I was referring to the U.S.' weird obsession with guns and our inability to treat them with respect. That, or, have any semblance of mental healthcare in this country, not to even speak of a registry of people who ought not to have dangerous weapons, solely built and useful for harming things. 
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Oct 15, 2014 06:48
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SuperDucky posted:Are you loving kidding me? gently caress this country. That's when she can pull out her own poo poo like "SURPRISE GREASELORDS" 
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WarpedNaba posted:Gamergate is just two armies of dumbfucks clashing together in an orgy of pretension, stupidity and false flagging for lack of a real issue. On the one hand, people saying "there is sexism in some games". On the other, neo-nazis and white supremacists sending death threats. Who can say who is in the wrong here? The truth is truly somewhere in the middle.  Pictured: the harrowing harassment gamergate supporters are exposed to, just as bad as death threats forcing someone to leave their house.
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Oct 15, 2014 07:14
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this thread and any other page on the internet related to "gamergate" loving sucks
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I like that leaving your house because of tweets is a thing now. What are we up to, four?
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ravenkult posted:I like that leaving your house because of tweets is a thing now. What are we up to, four? Yes, death threats are only worth taking seriously when they're delivered by certified mail. 
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Our prime minister wanted to change the flag to a sports team logo, but has changed his mind because he realised it looks like it belongs to a Muslim terrorist group  [ 
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Mola Yam posted:"Name a woman's job" "Walk like a girl" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjJQBjWYDTs
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AlsoD posted:"Walk like a girl" That corporation sure does care about people. 
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Maybe this is dumb but in regards to gaming being a non-issue - entirely unscientific but a _lot_ of the software engineers i know got their start playing a lot of videogames and then graduating to either "I want to hack this game" or "I want to make my own version of this game but better". I think there really could be a useful knock-on effect of more women getting into programming, as a consequence of more women getting into gaming. img is a screenshot of an emulated videogame that's running at least 30% faster because of efforts by an OSS coder who happens to be a woman.  She's done a lot of work optimising a PPC->x86 JIT, which by anyone's standards is some complicated stuff. She specifically cites her interest in Pokémon as part of the reason why she got interested in coding (http://www.pcgamer.com/how-gamecubewii-emulator-dolphin-got-a-turbocharge/)
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dazjw posted:Maybe this is dumb but in regards to gaming being a non-issue - entirely unscientific but a _lot_ of the software engineers i know got their start playing a lot of videogames and then graduating to either "I want to hack this game" or "I want to make my own version of this game but better". I think there really could be a useful knock-on effect of more women getting into programming, as a consequence of more women getting into gaming. The fact of the matter is that there have always and will always be women in all tech fields, gaming included. For gently caress's sake the first programmer ever was a woman, Ada Lovelace. The shitheads behind #GamerGate aren't mad because women are trying to infiltrate gaming, they're mad because the women who have always been there are finally speaking out about how lovely the culture is.  ~misandry~
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 This is a menu for a restaurant that is still open, in Lincoln City Oregon. It used to be called "Black Sambo's" but I guess they decided Li'l Sambo was less racist. We were celebrating my mom's birthday and after the brew fest I was a little too drunk to notice the name of the restaurant until after we went in. The service was too slow so we actually ended up eating somewhere else.
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Notorious QIG posted:The fact of the matter is that there have always and will always be women in all tech fields, gaming included. For gently caress's sake the first programmer ever was a woman, Ada Lovelace. The shitheads behind #GamerGate aren't mad because women are trying to infiltrate gaming, they're mad because the women who have always been there are finally speaking out about how lovely the culture is. It's unfortunate that formal CS programs are still so heavily skewed towards male students; it's typically around 5:1 as I recall, even at the most inclusive schools, and it's actually dropping - in the mid 80s it was around 2:1. If so many male CS majors weren't so maladjusted that would be closer to even. 
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Broken Machine posted:It's unfortunate that formal CS programs are still so heavily skewed towards male students; it's typically around 5:1 as I recall, even at the most inclusive schools, and it's actually dropping - in the mid 80s it was around 2:1. If so many male CS majors weren't so maladjusted that would be closer to even. So do you think that male CS majors have become shittier over the years, or perhaps societal pressures have changed and programming no longer holds the same allure as it did when it signified female empowerment in the workplace? Programming used to be a relatively well paid and attractive career. Yes, some people are still paid very well, but globalization has hit the field pretty hard. Programming is inherently nerdy, there is a reason why the traditional image of a programmer is a skinny guy in basement. It requires thinking in a completely different mindset from other aspects of life and spending lots of time poring over code looking for tiny mistakes. There have been efforts to make coding more social, but developing as a programmer is still very much a solo pursuit.  
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Notorious QIG posted:Great point Oh lets also not forget a woman was central in popularizing programming languages back at a time when programming wasn't considered interesting enough for men.  Developed algorithms for missile trajectories, revolutionized programming as we know it, has a supercomputer named after her and retired a rear admiral. Kill em, Grace Hopper. Kill em.
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Bensa posted:So do you think that male CS majors have become shittier over the years, or perhaps societal pressures have changed and programming no longer holds the same allure as it did when it signified female empowerment in the workplace? Programming used to be a relatively well paid and attractive career. Yes, some people are still paid very well, but globalization has hit the field pretty hard. What the hell are you talking about? You know nothing about programming. If you do know how to program, you've obviously never developed anything in a professional environment. It requires constant collaboration and meetings etc.
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DeliciousPatriotism posted:Oh lets also not forget a woman was central in popularizing programming languages back at a time when programming wasn't considered interesting enough for men.  A woman actually invented the whole idea of a programming language.
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dev null posted:What the hell are you talking about? You know nothing about programming. If you do know how to program, you've obviously never developed anything in a professional environment. It requires constant collaboration and meetings etc. Well he is also conflating software dev/programming with legit engineering, so what do you think? 
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dev null posted:What the hell are you talking about? You know nothing about programming. If you do know how to program, you've obviously never developed anything in a professional environment. It requires constant collaboration and meetings etc. I'd say a majority of my work is highly specialized hardware and data analysis development. I interact with lots of people but not in the actual programming aspect of my work due to its esoteric nature. I used the word "developing" in the sense of progression, to get better you just have to bang your head against problems for countless hours and its certainly not a group activity in most cases. Our society expects women to be more socially oriented, this can clearly be seen in various career choices. The main point of what you quoted was that perhaps programming isn't just that attractive to women as it once was. I've had this same conversation with female professors, and they admit freely that they were able to succeed in the field due to characteristics and interests which are traditionally considered male oriented. The factors which cause an unbalanced gender distribution affect people long before choosing what to pursue in higher education. Blaming it on maladjusted CS majors is missing the point.
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Bensa posted:So do you think that male CS majors have become shittier over the years, or perhaps societal pressures have changed and programming no longer holds the same allure as it did when it signified female empowerment in the workplace? Programming used to be a relatively well paid and attractive career. Yes, some people are still paid very well, but globalization has hit the field pretty hard. Hmm. I couldn't point to exactly what the root cause is. If I were to guess, I think one main underlying cause is that [US] society took a huge turn towards poo poo in the early 00s and we're still seeing the effects of that, and will continue to do so until something drastically changes. As societies devolve you see various markers of equal rights, such as gender equality, decline. So I think as a result computing and our society is significantly less interesting, vibrant and full of potential for progress than it was. For example, since gamer's gate is about games let's compare two games. In the 80s you had games like King's Quest.  You played as Sir Graham, a plucky young knight out to restore glory to the kingdom. Lots of fun puzzles, and it was written by Roberta Williams with a small team of programmers on a modest budget. If it were a movie it would be rated G and is appropriate to anyone from toddler to old age. Really helps develop problem solving skills too, and is nothing but good clean fun. Today kids are growing up with games like Grand Theft Auto V. In ways it is a fascinating and innovative game, and from a technical perspective it is genuinely impressive in ways. It was also developed with a huge team around the world for over 250 million. It also has three protagonists in single player, and they're all male stereotypes. Women in the game are whores, strippers or pedestrians, and nearly all of the characters you interact with that are relevant to the plot are male. Games today are a larger industry than movies; the audience is huge. I don't know that kids growing up today should be playing games like GTA V but they are, and I think when you have aspects of society that move from positive, naive experiences like King's Quest to games like GTA V it does make a difference in child development. Maybe it helps girls develop an association of boys with computers because they associate things like guns and violence with games, traditionally male occupations. Also though, part of it is just that computers are ubiquitous today and weren't in the 80s, so instead of having a subset of people who would have been geeky and used computers, you have everyone using computers. So the target audience has also devolved significantly.
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dev null posted:What the hell are you talking about? You know nothing about programming. If you do know how to program, you've obviously never developed anything in a professional environment. It requires constant collaboration and meetings etc. It really depends on what you're developing. Most projects that become big things - if they're not planned - often start as the work or idea of a few people at most. Bash was written primarily by one person, C was written by two, C++ by one. There are so many different schools of thought about the best way to develop software, there is no one size fits all.  Pictured: Ken Thompson and Dennis Ritchie, some goony dudes from Bell Labs who helped design the computing systems you use today
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RocknRollaAyatollah posted:What is the general perception of Anita Sarkeesian in feminist circles? I've only heard her ever talked about by gamersgate people, even before gamersgate was a thing. She seems like a pundit, someone who says things just to be as divisive as possible and ride the wave. Was there more than this from Sarkeesian about Bayonetta? Because I really don't see this as Sarkeesian saying that the designers of Bayonetta are the devil--she's just stating something about the game's design. She's not placing a value judgement on the game, or on the people who created it--just pointing out that this character design:  was primarily picked to appeal to men sexually. There's a huge perception that to say that something has sexist elements is to say that it's bad, but this is emphatically not true, and Sarkeesian says so at the beginning of each of her videos. I honestly don't think I've heard her say anything that is designed to be divisive. It's all just Feminism 101 level critique.
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Broken Machine posted:You played as Sir Graham, a plucky young knight out to restore glory to the kingdom. Lots of fun puzzles, and it was written by Roberta Williams with a small team of programmers on a modest budget. If it were a movie it would be rated G and is appropriate to anyone from toddler to old age. Really helps develop problem solving skills too, and is nothing but good clean fun. Games back then were different technologically, but were not so distant from a "society morals" pov. There were still violent and/or porny games, such as: Softporn Adventure: The owner of the hottub in this picture, and the woman on the far right, is the same Roberta Williams. 
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minato posted:Games back then were different technologically, but were not so distant from a "society morals" pov. There were still violent and/or porny games, such as: Softporn Adventure: Surely you can see the difference between softporn adventure, a game primarily played by adults (mostly for laughs and not really for sexual gratification), and having a 10 year old play GTA and take part in realistic sex acts with a realistic female character model? I mean 40 years ago you had spacewar too but that's pretty different from blasting an opponent with a machine gun and watching their brains splatter, or hitting them in the gut and watching them bleed out while listening to their screams. 
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This is an incredibly poor argument, you could make literally the exact opposite argument based on the games you choose. Here: 80's:  The idea that the average game of the 80's or early 90's was good for child development is utterly laughable, most were a less rapey version of the above- dodge some poo poo. I mean gta is violent, you don't say? That horse has beaten into dust by now I'd guess. But there's also countless games made each year that are a hell of a lot better at getting kids to think than some 4 bit crap from 3 decades ago. Does portals not involve complex puzzles , does Little Big Planet not promote creativity? I'd much rather have my kid playing games made recently than decades ago, they are much less mindless. quote:Hmm. I couldn't point to exactly what the root cause is. If I were to guess, I think one main underlying cause is that [US] society took a huge turn towards poo poo in the early 00s and we're still seeing the effects of that, and will continue to do so until something drastically changes. As societies devolve you see various markers of equal rights, such as gender equality, decline. So I think as a result computing and our society is significantly less interesting, vibrant and full of potential for progress than it was. Where on earth are you getting that gender equality is declining? Not in job choice or income, certainly.
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