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Happy Seafood Guy posted:It distinguishes between male-female unions and all other pairings—not between heterosexual unions and other relationships. Indeed, Idaho law allows a gay man to marry a woman or a lesbian to marry a man." Gays can just marry a woman if they want to get married really don't seem to be a fitting argument when they have spent so much time arguing about the special romantic and baby making importance of keeping hetrosexual marriage only.
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corn in the bible posted:Otters have been a gay thing for a long time, dude. But now we'll have butch otters, burlier then a regular otter, not quite as burly as a bear
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Oct 14, 2014 03:10
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VitalSigns posted:if progressivism has had one victory it's that being openly identified as a bigot is toxic in US politics. Except the internet is enabling toxic behavior on a large scale because now instead of people carrying that their community shunned them for being a racist/sexist/pedophile/etc they can just go to sites like Reddit and find a community that reinforces their behavior.
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Oct 14, 2014 03:32
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Three Olives posted:Gays can just marry a woman if they want to get married really don't seem to be a fitting argument when they have spent so much time arguing about the special romantic and baby making importance of keeping hetrosexual marriage only. Gays are free to impregnate women and raise children with their non-romantic heterosexual co-parent.
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Oct 14, 2014 03:32
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quote:“Love the sinner, hate the sin, Brother Dave,” most Christians tell me. Except that is a lie. “God hates all workers of iniquity.” It is the sinner He hates…not just the sin. It is the soul…the sinner and not the sin…that gets cast into the lake of fire. Goddamn, barbwire really is the ultimate manifestation of poe's law. I really hope these "Christians" never stop spreading their "love" around to everyone. Even Republicans are embarrassed by this poo poo by now.
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Oct 14, 2014 04:04
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Evil Fluffy posted:Except the internet is enabling toxic behavior on a large scale because now instead of people carrying that their community shunned them for being a racist/sexist/pedophile/etc they can just go to sites like Reddit and find a community that reinforces their behavior. Or you know, hang out with their awful family they got it from! It ain't enabling poo poo.
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Oct 14, 2014 04:11
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Three Olives posted:Gays can just marry a woman if they want to get married really don't seem to be a fitting argument when they have spent so much time arguing about the special romantic and baby making importance of keeping hetrosexual marriage only. Also it is literally an argument made in that lovely Orson Scott Card essay.
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Oct 14, 2014 05:52
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That argument was rejected in Loving when it pointed out that the law didn't discriminate against blacks, since it applied equally to whites and non whites. They were both able to marry, so what's the problem? This was not a compelling argument, mind you.
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Oct 14, 2014 06:04
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Happy Seafood Guy posted:God dammit, I shouldn't have looked, but I did. The Idaho Statesman has a .pdf of Governor Otter's Opposition to Motion to Dissovle Stay, which includes at the bottom of page 11: "Idaho’s law simply does not bear the marks of sexual orientation discrimination. It distinguishes between male-female unions and all other pairings—not between heterosexual unions and other relationships. Indeed, Idaho law allows a gay man to marry a woman or a lesbian to marry a man." I have actually seen that argument made by marriage equality supporters. They say it's not discrimination against gays, since it doesn't matter if your are gay or straight, you both can marry a partner of the opposite sex. Instead, it's gender discrimination, since men can marry women but women can't, and women can marry men but men can't. And since gender is actually already established as a protected class, it follows that gay marriage bans are obviously unconstitutional.
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Oct 14, 2014 06:05
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hangedman1984 posted:But now we'll have butch otters, burlier then a regular otter, not quite as burly as a bear This is called a cub.
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Ubiquitous_ posted:This is called a cub. skinnier then a cub
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Oct 14, 2014 06:22
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Happy Seafood Guy posted:God dammit, I shouldn't have looked, but I did. The Idaho Statesman has a .pdf of Governor Otter's Opposition to Motion to Dissovle Stay, which includes at the bottom of page 11: "Idaho’s law simply does not bear the marks of sexual orientation discrimination. It distinguishes between male-female unions and all other pairings—not between heterosexual unions and other relationships. Indeed, Idaho law allows a gay man to marry a woman or a lesbian to marry a man." Ignorant_Bigotry.pdf right here. Read a couple passages aloud and successfully elicited a spit-take from my housemate.
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Oct 14, 2014 06:36
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Teddybear posted:That argument was rejected in Loving when it pointed out that the law didn't discriminate against blacks, since it applied equally to whites and non whites. They were both able to marry, so what's the problem? Hell I'd argue that logic was shot down by Brown v. Board
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Idaho Opposition to Motion to Dissolve Stay posted:Granting that motion would also improperly treat the sovereign State of Idaho as an ordinary litigant, entitled to no more respect than a fly-by-night payday loan business or massage parlor. quote:massage parlor 
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A favorite of Butch Otters everywhere.
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Evil Fluffy posted:Except the internet is enabling toxic behavior on a large scale because now instead of people carrying that their community shunned them for being a racist/sexist/pedophile/etc they can just go to sites like Reddit and find a community that reinforces their behavior. I disagree. If anything, it doesn't promote lovely behaviour. It was always around. Now they just have a place to go and spew it with the false idea that no one will know. Except that's not how the internet works. If anything, it was created a situation where bigots voluntarily congregate in places they believe to be secret. Which the internet is very much not. I don't need to wonder where the bigots are. I just have to look at Freep.
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Oct 14, 2014 22:00
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Idaho's governor gave up and dropped the appeal. Marriages start tomorrow. ed: Judge Burgess denied Alaska's request for a stay, marriages continue there. They intend to appeal to the 9th Circuit, but judging how they've handled other states in their circuit it's unlikely they'd grant a stay either, let alone rule in favor of the ban. Chris James 2 fucked around with this message at 03:00 on Oct 15, 2014 |
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Oct 14, 2014 22:42
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Chris James 2 posted:Idaho's governor gave up and dropped the appeal. Marriages start tomorrow. So with Alaska, we're at 30 now?
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Idaho and Alaska don't help reach the thread title goal though!! I look at the Wikipedia map and there's that big line of stayed decisions most of the way from Texas to Michigan. Is there a backdoor plan to link the coasts with some kind of Missouri/Tennessee double shocker??
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The Macaroni posted:Massage parlor. Payday loan followed by massage parlor 
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Chris James 2 posted:Idaho's governor gave up and dropped the appeal. Marriages start tomorrow. Like I said, he'd make noises but he's more of a pragmatist than anything else and can see the writing on the wall.
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Node posted:So with Alaska, we're at 30 now? Yep. 11 states in the span of 10 days.
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We need a betting pool on the last state to hold out. All this time I would've said Utah, but they were among the first of this big group. So...Texas? VVVV Yeah, probably. The Macaroni fucked around with this message at 16:19 on Oct 15, 2014 |
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The Macaroni posted:We need a betting pool on the last state to hold out. All this time I would've said Utah, but they were among the first of this big group. So...Texas? Mississippi.
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The Macaroni posted:We need a betting pool on the last state to hold out. All this time I would've said Utah, but they were among the first of this big group. So...Texas? I'll say Alabama, because the 5th Circuit (TX, LA, MS) will probably rule before the 11th. (AL, GA, FL)
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joat mon posted:I'll say Alabama, because the 5th Circuit (TX, LA, MS) will probably rule before the 11th. (AL, GA, FL) I'm just wishing that the Sixth Circuit would get off their asses and make their ruling. I feel daily shame that Oklahoma of all loving places has beaten Michigan.  
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Nth Doctor posted:I'm just wishing that the Sixth Circuit would get off their asses and make their ruling. I feel daily shame that Oklahoma of all loving places has beaten Michigan. Right? I don't know what the hell they're waiting for.
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In other North Carolina developments, Pasquotank County Magistrate Gary Littleton took the Liberty University approach to the law and refused to marry a same-sex couple on Monday because it went against his religious and moral beliefs. He could lose his job over it if the couple decide to file a complaint (they say they're not, since they already made their point). Littlejohn decided to skip out on the press, so his boss is stuck with the job of explaining his motivations.WTKR News posted:According to a memo sent from North Carolina’s Administrative Office of the Court sent to magistrates, their duty is to “immediately begin conducting all marriages,” whether the couple is gay or not.
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This is loving incredible http://www.c-span.org/video/standalone/?322045-4/washington-journal-brian-brown-evan-wolfson-samesex-marriage&popoutPlayer This weekend Freedom To Marry head Evan Wolfson faced down hate group leader Brian Brown in an hour-long call-in show on C-SPAN.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:This is loving incredible Strapping in for the next hour to listen, thanks for this. I'm new to all kinds of this legal and political drama but I find it immensely embarrassing that there are separate call in lines for parties. Edit: First call "Are lard didn't make Adam and Steve  ." I love this country.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:This is loving incredible Holy cow, Brian. This guy is going to blow a blood vessel. EDIT: Hahaha, the callers are amazing. This woman is just screaming at them. turn it up TURN ME ON fucked around with this message at 19:43 on Oct 15, 2014 |
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Oct 15, 2014 19:36
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SquadronROE posted:Holy cow, Brian. This guy is going to blow a blood vessel. I have 21 grandchildren!!!
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:I have 21 grandchildren!!! These callers were at first hilarious and are now just making me a little ashamed.
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Oct 15, 2014 19:53
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Oh god Brian Brown mentioned the "Elites in control" of medical journals. Is he seriously talking about the Illuminati or some such (masonic/satanic) organization? Because I've heard that from too many religiously minded people.
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Morter posted:Oh god Brian Brown mentioned the "Elites in control" of medical journals. Is he seriously talking about the Illuminati or some such (masonic/satanic) organization? Because I've heard that from too many religiously minded people. Secret gays controlling the media. Obviously.
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The overwhelming majority of peer-reviewed medical, psychological/psychiatric, and sociological research shows that their core arguments against same sex marriage are fundamentally incorrect. Therefore, it must be skewed by ELITES who have succumbed to the nefarious GAY AGENDA, because what other possibility could there be??? It's just confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance.
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Oct 15, 2014 20:23
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"boys are coming in school with bows in their hair"
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:"boys are coming in school with bows in their hair" What's frustrating about that Brian guy is that he's being so disingenuous. You can tell what opinion he has but he never quite talks about it: Being gay is a choice. In addition he has this asinine view of the Constitution as a document to be interpreted literally, and all amendments aside from the 1st are to be interpreted literally and without additional opinion added. He just got mad when the other guy called him out on that by explaining how our government works. I ended up stopping after the military guy called up and Brian got flustered and just went back to his talking points "I respect the military but stand up for marriage being between a man and a woman." It's all that love the sinner, hate the sin crap. Makes me happy to know that courts are overwhelmingly rejecting this guy's argument.
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9th Circuit granted a very temporary stay in Alaska. Alaska has until 3 PM Eastern Friday to get a stay from the Supreme Court (reminder: Idaho couldn't get it done with more time available); if they don't, the stay ends and I believe that's that for their ban.
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Morter posted:Oh god Brian Brown mentioned the "Elites in control" of medical journals. Is he seriously talking about the Illuminati or some such (masonic/satanic) organization? Because I've heard that from too many religiously minded people. Just a reminder that when these kind of groups say "elites" it is because they can't say "Jews" anymore.
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