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Question: I'm toying with the idea of picking up a Chaplain at some point to serve as a secondary HQ for higher-point. It seems like the only way to replace the semi-crappy Crozius is to give him a relic instead, and that thought the Burning Blade is tempting it's an awful lot of points for a guy who's already going to be pretty point-bloated with either a bike or terminator armor. Is the idea of giving him Teeth of Terra and one of the above laughable? It seems like it might work pretty well if he's teamed up with assault terminators or a bike squad.
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Oct 15, 2014 21:20
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WhiteWolf123 posted:Have Cataphract's band record an intro song for the show. I'm pretty sure those guys can rock... Cataphract saying "Viene la jamón!" followed by singing "nerds" to the theme from Terminator.
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Oct 15, 2014 21:20
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PantsOptional posted:Question: I'm toying with the idea of picking up a Chaplain at some point to serve as a secondary HQ for higher-point. It seems like the only way to replace the semi-crappy Crozius is to give him a relic instead, and that thought the Burning Blade is tempting it's an awful lot of points for a guy who's already going to be pretty point-bloated with either a bike or terminator armor. Is the idea of giving him Teeth of Terra and one of the above laughable? It seems like it might work pretty well if he's teamed up with assault terminators or a bike squad. I think you have you ask yourself, what do you need the Chaplain for? At S 6, WS 5 and rerolling attacks, he's good in CC against anything other than MEQ, including most vehicles - a chaplain on a bike or jump pack has a fairly decent chance of killing or severely damaging a rear armor 10 vehicle on a charge. If you want him to be a murder machine then you'll have to pay for it but if he's just there to be a decent fighter/buff a squad I don't think you need to do much with him beyond giving him the bike/armor/whatever to match the squad. His Zealot is really what you're paying for. Edit: And if you're set on having a supporting HQ I'd ask whether a Chaplain would fit better or a Librarian for the psychic phase.
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Oct 15, 2014 21:25
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Direwolf posted:I think you have you ask yourself, what do you need the Chaplain for? At S 6, WS 5 and rerolling attacks, he's good in CC against anything other than MEQ, including most vehicles - a chaplain on a bike or jump pack has a fairly decent chance of killing or severely damaging a rear armor 10 vehicle on a charge. If you want him to be a murder machine then you'll have to pay for it but if he's just there to be a decent fighter/buff a squad I don't think you need to do much with him beyond giving him the bike/armor/whatever to match the squad. His Zealot is really what you're paying for. Yeah, that's a good point. I look at his stats and I try to think of how to improve him but really his function is to spur the rest of the squad, and if I have 55 points to spare or whatever I'm sure there are better places to put them. quote:Edit: And if you're set on having a supporting HQ I'd ask whether a Chaplain would fit better or a Librarian for the psychic phase. You're most likely right here, and that's one of the reasons why I was only toying with the idea. I've never run a Chaplain before but I've had great success recently with a Telepathy Librarian so I'll probably stick with that.
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Oct 15, 2014 21:37
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WhiteWolf123 posted:Have Cataphract's band record an intro song for the show. I'm pretty sure those guys can rock... Carl and I have already discussed this... it's in the works as soon as we finish a song called "the bucket list" completely unrelated but does anyone know of any interesting types of buckets?
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Oct 15, 2014 22:04
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PantsOptional posted:Yeah, that's a good point. I look at his stats and I try to think of how to improve him but really his function is to spur the rest of the squad, and if I have 55 points to spare or whatever I'm sure there are better places to put them. What does your full list look like? And what's your current warlord?
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Oct 15, 2014 22:04
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Full list depends on points of course but is generally: Tactics: Imperial Fists CM on Bike with Relic Blade/Shield Eternal (alternately, Captain on bike with Relic Blade/Storm Shield) Librarian (usually either embedded in a tac squad or a sternguard squad) Sternguard in a Rhino (may change to Drop Pod but I hate the model) Bike Squad as Troops Tac Squads in Rhinos with a multi-Melta and either meltagun or plasma, depending on purpose of squad Thunderfire Cannon (have 2, don't usually take them both) Lascannon Devastators Just got back into the game a short while ago and so I haven't got a lot of heavy armor or flyers yet but I was planning on picking up a Stormtalon relatively soon and expanding out from there.
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Oct 15, 2014 22:19
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Oct 15, 2014 22:28
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PantsOptional posted:Full list depends on points of course but is generally: Not a bad start. although very hodgepodge-y. Tac marines in rhinos can be very overwhelming even at high levels of play with good support. They are not as good in 7th now that knights are harder to kill and are kind of a thing but for environments that don't have 10+ knights among ~20 players it can work very well. My list that won me a GT was: Ravenguard Chapter master, bike, shield eternal, hammer, artificer armor (I would make this a fist now) 5x 10 man tac squad melta, combi melta, multi melta, rhino 3x stormtalon, skyhammer 2x thunderfire The ravenguard lets the rhinos move up to the midfield on turn zero which then you can rush up the chapter master and have him join a squad as all the melta/Combi combat squads bail out (leaving the multo melta in the rhino as a bunker). Bikes are cool as part of the white scars grav/melta rush or to fill the troop slot instead of scouts for semi hidden scoring/harassers when you have points to spare. Otherwise I wouldn't bring them. I talked about lascannon devs earlier today. I do like sternguard but they are always the first on the chopping block for me. Maybe if I was doing some 9+ pod list I'd try them but otherwise I'd rather have tac marines. Speaking of pods, go big or don't bring them. They are awesome now they they are super scoring but a solo/duo first turn pod(s) is/are just giving up first blood. I don't think you need to have a second HQ, much less a chaplain. Unless you are doing some major CC deathstar I'd pass, he doesn't provide much benefit to tac marines or whatever.
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Oct 15, 2014 22:55
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Cataphract posted:Carl and I have already discussed this... it's in the works as soon as we finish a song called "the bucket list" The kind with a hole in it? Dear Liza...
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Oct 15, 2014 23:12
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Big Willy Style posted:Sick! That's actually a friends band... and its a lot harder than our original intro music :P WhiteWolf123 posted:Have Cataphract's band record an intro song for the show. I'm pretty sure those guys can rock... This is my nerd dream at the moment. It took me awhile to work up the courage to ask him though because I didn't want to be a pain in the rear end. Ghost Hand fucked around with this message at 23:17 on Oct 15, 2014 |
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Oct 15, 2014 23:15
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Naramyth posted:Ravenguard Around here you'd never get a game with a list like that, solely for the 3 flyers. Pitchforks and torches may be involved. I don't think I've posted my list in here so here you go, this is how you do hodgepodge-y. Farseer (Jetbike, Anath'lan, Mantle) 5x Wraithblades (Ghost Axe + Forceshield) 5x Dire Avengers / Wave Serpent (Twin-Linked Scatter Laser, Shuriken Cannon, Holofield) 5x Dire Avengers / Wave Serpent (Twin-Linked Scatter Laser, Shuriken Cannon, Holofield) 7x Warp Spiders 3x War Walkers (2x Brightlance each) Wraithknight (2x Heavy Wraithcannon) Wraithlord (2x Flamer, 2x Brightlance, Ghostglaive) Now that's some podge. It's also pretty much what I have painted right now  . Seems to work fine though, maybe not tournament quality but certainly good enough to win fairly often. Still, I'm open to suggestions so long as they don't involve more Wave Serpents or Wraithknights. You know, because pitchforks.
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Oct 16, 2014 00:52
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Sykic posted:Around here you'd never get a game with a list like that, solely for the 3 flyers. Scrubs. In my group we currently have a 2 knight list, a 3 knight 3 flier list, a 3 wraithknight 5 serpent list, one nid air (5 fliers)/demons, one nid air with 3 planes allied in, and one 10 flier list, one sw hq spam deathstar, and a dude rolling a stompa.
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Oct 16, 2014 01:12
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Naramyth posted:Scrubs.
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Oct 16, 2014 01:13
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Naramyth posted:Scrubs. Tell me more 
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Oct 16, 2014 01:14
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Naramyth posted:Scrubs. Why can't I stop screaming all of a sudden?
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Oct 16, 2014 01:19
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Naramyth posted:Scrubs. Smugly bring a revenant titan and some wave serpents or just two warhound titans with twin turbo lasers
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Oct 16, 2014 01:22
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Sykic posted:Why can't I stop screaming all of a sudden? Because there is a backup chorus of other screaming goons? VVVVV- drat right. Hencoe fucked around with this message at 01:32 on Oct 16, 2014 |
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Oct 16, 2014 01:24
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Hencoe posted:Because there is a backup chorus of other screaming goons?
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Oct 16, 2014 01:25
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Crossposting from the painting thread. So I had a random idea for a Tzeentch themed chaos army the other day and decided to paint up a marine just to see how it would work. The whole idea was to make an army, or in the case of the test model, a marine that is completely devoid of color and desaturated. I chose to do a Blood Angel as the test figure, and I think it came out okay, which is good because shading the armor was very time consuming. I also based it in a way that the earth is being desaturated around the marine's feet. Let me know what you guys think.   
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Oct 16, 2014 01:32
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Naramyth posted:Not a bad start. although very hodgepodge-y. Oh, it is the hodge-iest. It's mostly constructed from "poo poo I bought off other goons" and "all the poo poo my former roommate gave me to entice me back into playing." I also don't play in circles where flyers are super common, and knights even less so, so I don't have to worry too much about that. that said, it's very much "the army I have" and not "the army I want" but that's coming along piece by piece. Until then it's dice, beer, and blowing myself up with plasma.
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Oct 16, 2014 01:35
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jadebullet posted:deletia I like the concept, but I think it should be much starker if you want it to look deliberate; currently, it just sort of looks like a kind of unfinished model. There are other monochrome/greyscale armies, I'll try to find some but iirc there was a fantasy army that had a real stark, cool effect.
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Oct 16, 2014 01:39
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For black and white you need to go really extreme on the contrast, otherwise it will look too plain. Here's one I liked a lot:  
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Oct 16, 2014 02:03
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I'm working on a set of Deffkoptas right now and I wondering how best to do the base. Do most people use the flying base or not use a base at all? I feel like transporting these will be a nightmare.
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Oct 16, 2014 02:48
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CyberLord XP posted:I'm working on a set of Deffkoptas right now and I wondering how best to do the base. Do most people use the flying base or not use a base at all? I feel like transporting these will be a nightmare. Most people use flying bases. Just don't glue them into the bases and they're easy enough to transport; it's not like they're the old metal landspeeders or the metal deffkopta.
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Oct 16, 2014 02:50
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Naramyth posted:Scrubs. I'm very happy all you guys found each other to pummel in a big sweaty mess. I long for the days of min 50% troop picks with no more than 25% in HQ. It made this little game of squad based combat pretty fun. Of course if everyone is playing nothing but top tier units in a mashup of every great unit that's fine too as long as everyone is onboard before they show up.
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Oct 16, 2014 03:09
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LingcodKilla posted:I'm very happy all you guys found each other to pummel in a big sweaty mess. I'm glad I live in a meta where I can take Storm Guardians, Striking Scorpions, Illic Nightspear and some Pathfinder buddies, no waveserpents or wraiths, and still win some games. 
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Oct 16, 2014 03:30
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LingcodKilla posted:I'm very happy all you guys found each other to pummel in a big sweaty mess. That sounds terrible to me. I do not want to have 5-6 Tactical Squads in a 2k point army. And ironically, that's what Naramyth was actually doing until 7th made Knights more survivable. My group allows Unbound and so far I'm the only one who's used it, and that was just because I own too many Elites for my own good. They're the most fun to paint, you see. I have won zero games with Unbound.
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Oct 16, 2014 03:37
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CyberLord XP posted:I'm working on a set of Deffkoptas right now and I wondering how best to do the base. Do most people use the flying base or not use a base at all? I feel like transporting these will be a nightmare. i use the back to base ix magnetic bases
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Oct 16, 2014 03:48
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Cataphract posted:i use the back to base ix magnetic bases I just did a group order of these after getting a few (attached to Falcons/Wave Serpents) from another goon and they are amazing.
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Oct 16, 2014 04:06
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jadebullet posted:Crossposting from the painting thread. Yeah, right now it just kind of looks like it's primed and not painted. The earth should also be a much brighter contrast to show that it's intentional, and maybe more of a fade from the bright color to the grey in the earth to show the effect. Sykic posted:Around here you'd never get a game with a list like that, solely for the 3 flyers. Pitchforks and torches may be involved. What do the Wraithblades do here? Super slow, can't shoot. Chill with the Wraithlord? How do you deal with hordes?
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Oct 16, 2014 04:19
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LingcodKilla posted:I'm very happy all you guys found each other to pummel in a big sweaty mess. I don't remember those days. I remember the days of min 25% troops, max 50% characters. It made this little game of space knights and cyborg demons pretty fun.
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Oct 16, 2014 04:33
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Direwolf posted:What do the Wraithblades do here? Super slow, can't shoot. Chill with the Wraithlord? The Wraithblades just look pretty and occasionally beat on a destroyed transport's passengers. They also do a decent job of looking more dangerous than they are and absorbing fire. Hordes aren't an issue as no-one around here runs them, the closest we get to a horde army here is a full unit of Fire Warriors.
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Oct 16, 2014 05:26
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jadebullet posted:Desaturation I agree with the other sentiments; give it more contrast, the whites whiter, the blacks blacker, etc. If you're feeling saucy, you might want to consider making their bases a bright colorful fungal forest theme. Make mushrooms or other plant life with bright colors that fade to grey near the marine.
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Oct 16, 2014 06:03
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Sykic posted:Around here you'd never get a game with a list like that, solely for the 3 flyers. Pitchforks and torches may be involved. I find it mildly amusing that three flyers (two of them HP2) are apparently enough to bring out the pitchforks, but two Wraithknights and two Serpents are totally kosher. 
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Oct 16, 2014 06:23
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AbusePuppy posted:I find it mildly amusing that three flyers (two of them HP2) are apparently enough to bring out the pitchforks, but two Wraithknights and two Serpents are totally kosher. The only moral cheese is my cheese.
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Oct 16, 2014 06:25
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PeterWeller posted:I don't remember those days. I remember the days of min 25% troops, max 50% characters. It made this little game of space knights and cyborg demons pretty fun. Yeah I remember that too but second wasn't that good compared the 3ed tournies.
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Oct 16, 2014 06:29
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Cataphract posted:i use the back to base ix magnetic bases Can you link what you mean? I can't find them on the site.
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Oct 16, 2014 10:00
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AbusePuppy posted:I find it mildly amusing that three flyers (two of them HP2) are apparently enough to bring out the pitchforks, but two Wraithknights and two Serpents are totally kosher. It's only one wraithknight and a measly 2 serpents instead of the 5 people are used to. I'd still laugh him from the table for buying a Wraithknight though.
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Oct 16, 2014 10:22
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I bought this bunch of derelict spacemans for $130, They're in need of a little TLC but otherwise in pretty great shape and there's a lot  https://www.dropbox.com/sc/060b819y81z282i/AAAr320Wbk0N97iBZq1K37kMa#/ Now obviously this army was created when there were no flyers and vehicles were rare, so what should i add to make it slightly competetive other than a few rhinos? the old rhino will be used for my gaming club's loaner army.
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