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dreffen posted:Is the dialogue at all close to that? ...Not always. But yeah, whenever a not-Penguin proto-villain turns up the show just can't get out of its own way and thinks its actually being clever by overtly winking at the audience. I can only imagine how they're going to handle the Joker when they get to that point. E: Strabo4 posted:Cheesy but worth the watch for the Penguin murdering his way all around Gotham. ^^^ This. The guy playing Cobblepot is amazing. If they hadn't of cast him as Penguin already, he'd have probably been a shoe-in for Joker.
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Oct 16, 2014 04:32
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The penguin in Gotham is literally cream of the crap. People are assigning value to something solely because there's less slimey poo poo that sticks to that particular shoe. Oh, and potalgia. Potential for what they want to have happen, plus nostalgia for what they love(d) about the Batman mythology.
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Oct 16, 2014 04:39
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greatn posted:Got bad news for you, we already have Batman on TV. Its that show where Batman will never appear. Where you'll probably literally get dialogue like: I think the kid playing Bruce would be an excellent batman in ten years, but I think we can do something better in the meantime.
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Oct 16, 2014 04:39
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heavy liquid posted:The storm giving random people super powers reminds me of Misfits. All we need is someone to gain the power of Lactokinesis. Save me, Barry!
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Oct 16, 2014 05:47
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Going back to Weather Wizard, the character in the comics is named Marc Mardon, and the guy Barry fought (who may or may not have been killed) was Clyde Mardon. I think we may still see brother Marc at some point, maybe for a grand team-up of the Rogues later on in the season.
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Oct 16, 2014 05:53
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:Going back to Weather Wizard, the character in the comics is named Marc Mardon, and the guy Barry fought (who may or may not have been killed) was Clyde Mardon. I think we may still see brother Marc at some point, maybe for a grand team-up of the Rogues later on in the season. I'm guessing Reverse Flash for the mid-Season finale and the Rogues for the Season Finale. Depending on the direction of Wells, I could definitely see him being Professor Zoom if he's also trying to make Barry reach his maximum potential and not just protect him. Thawne seems like a straight revenge angle. I'm sure either one or all of the Rogues will eventually try to exploit Barry's inability to actually be in multiple places to tire him out and deal the finishing blow. Weather Wizard's brother is probably coming back with the same powers (either meta or artificial) and Multiplex probably beamed his mind into one of his clones and ran off.
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Oct 16, 2014 06:20
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I refuse to watch Gotham because the entire premise is lets do Smallville all over again but make Batman a little kid. I'm really enjoying Flash and Arrow, and would love to see additional heroes show up. Batman has been my favorite hero growing up, but I'd rather have him show up on the occasional episode of these shows as a guest star rather than have his own show.
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Oct 16, 2014 11:49
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"This guy who can clone himself was working on cloning." "That's ironic, he was working on cloning and he can clone himself." It's really hard to drat Gotham for its terrible dialogue, and praise this show at the same time.  At least The Flash can actually go somewhere and has promise and good intentions...but goddamn. I like Gustin, I like the music, it's a good looking show, but I really hope they can just tighten everything up a bit more.Surprised Detective Not-Lance is already in on the secret identity though.
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Oct 16, 2014 11:56
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If you're worried about The Flash's dialogue and haven't watched Arrow, I can offer two nuggets of information. 1) The dialogue really doesn't get better. Even Arrow at its very best has some terribad dialogue - "My darkness keeps dragging down your light." 2) Despite their inability to write solid dialogue, the PLOTTING on Arrow is goddamn incredible. Everyone likes to talk about Mad Men and Boardwalk Empire and True Detective - but Arrow can give them all a run for their money. And do it over the course of a twenty two episode season. Proper raising of dramatic stakes, actual character arcs, rising and falling action... that's where the creative team excels.
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Oct 16, 2014 12:29
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Hey, for every bad line in Arrow there is another that is sold loving gold. Gotham is a swirling maelstrom of bad dialogue with no bottom.
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Oct 16, 2014 12:51
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Spergatory posted:Hey, for every bad line in Arrow there is another that is sold loving gold. Gotham is a swirling maelstrom of bad dialogue with no bottom. Let's be honest "You have failed this city!" makes up for any cheesy writing.
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Oct 16, 2014 12:52
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VagueRant posted:"This guy who can clone himself was working on cloning." I don't think that's a good example of the terrible dialogue though (I mean you had "We were all struck by that lightning" right there to choose instead!). They were just being a little self-referential in acknowledging that a lot of the metahuman powers are going to be either ironic or connected to the person's identity.
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Oct 16, 2014 13:07
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ghostwritingduck posted:I refuse to watch Gotham because the entire premise is lets do Smallville all over again but make Batman a little kid. Except smallville started out with clark being 14 and would have been significantly improved by casting a decent 14 year old actor instead of an arsehole like Tom Welling.
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Oct 16, 2014 13:45
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I actually hope they save the formation of the Rogues for the second or third season. Solo episodes at first, maybe a two-man team-up or two-man at-odds episode, and over time their mutual hatred of the Flash inspires Snart to bring them together. The good news is that the FX/CGI technology to credibly pull off their powers is easily possible. Weather Wizard’s been done. What they did for Multiplex, they could do for Mirror Master. Captain Cold and Heat Wave’s guns are easy, and Captain Boomerang/Trickster wouldn’t be too hard either with their gadgets. Of course, I’d keep it to the first four. To me, those are the “classic” Rogues.
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Oct 16, 2014 14:36
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They have got to have a couple gorilla costumes from Tim Burton's planet of the apes in a storage shed somewhere.
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Oct 16, 2014 15:28
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I'm probably going to delve into Waid's run in Vol 2 of the Flash in preparation for checking out Geoff Johns' run of things. Excited to see how Flash plays as a singular lead, as my exposure to The Flash was always in Justice League stories. Been a fan of the rogues since they showed up in a JLU episode that had all sorts of fun - the animation team went NUTS with mirror master. I can't even imagine what the arrow stunt team could do with that power set for an action scene. Really can't be said enough how good Grant Gustin is in this role. The idea of turning the flash into a young and earnest Christoper Reeves-esque hero is a good one, but it would completely fall apart if Gustin wasn't up to the task. His monologue to Jesse L Martin over pizza is a tough piece of acting to sell - its not poorly written, but it requires a blunt honesty that few actors possess.
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Oct 16, 2014 15:34
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EgoEgress posted:I think it's implied that he has at least some access to the future beyond newspapers. The particle accelerator and the work Wells was doing was apparently far, far in advance of everything else in the field, according to Barry. I don't think it's a coincidence that the guy looking at newspapers from the future was "light years" ahead of CERN in terms of tech. I think he probably brought his future gadgetry with him to the past. Wells is Abra Kadabra. 
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Oct 16, 2014 15:36
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muscles like this? posted:Wells is Abra Kadabra. So the midseason finale will be Barry being turned into a wooden puppet? 
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Oct 16, 2014 15:38
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bobkatt013 posted:So the midseason finale will be Barry being turned into a wooden puppet? Smile Time is the greatest hour of television ever. I will brook no argument.
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Oct 16, 2014 16:19
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bobkatt013 posted:So the midseason finale will be Barry being turned into a wooden puppet? "Barry, you can't go that fast! The friction will set fire to your body!"
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Oct 16, 2014 16:21
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jscolon2.0 posted:Smile Time is the greatest hour of television ever. I will brook no argument. "Greatest" is hard to agree with, but it is a drat fine hour of television.
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Oct 16, 2014 18:11
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Some Numbers posted:"Greatest" is hard to agree with, but it is a drat fine hour of television. drat this show is doing good work. And while I get the H.G. Wells reference with the professor, every time they say his name all I can think of is Kristen Wells. I wonder if that's entirely coincidental, or if someone on-staff actually remembers Kristen Wells.
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Oct 16, 2014 18:49
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It's fun to make fun of Gotham, but some of the "It's a SUICIDE SQUAD!!" lines from Arrow do give Gotham's references a run for their money.
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Oct 16, 2014 22:04
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BrianWilly posted:It's fun to make fun of Gotham, but some of the "It's a SUICIDE SQUAD!!" lines from Arrow do give Gotham's references a run for their money. You're not wrong, but Arrow spent a year dodging overt references, while Gotham spent the first half of its pilot throwing them in our faces.
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Oct 16, 2014 22:18
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You are also remembering the line a lot worse than it actually is. When she recruits Bronze tiger and he's like man why would I wanna join your team, Waller goes "Actually, it's more of a squad." The suicide squad doesn't get name dropped until the actual episode, when Diggle shows up and Deadshot says "welcome to the suicide squad" after learning their objective.
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Oct 16, 2014 22:41
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Zaggitz posted:You are also remembering the line a lot worse than it actually is. When she recruits Bronze tiger and he's like man why would I wanna join your team, Waller goes "Actually, it's more of a squad." For what its worth, "Suicide Squad" has a nice ring to it thanks to alliteration.
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Oct 16, 2014 22:46
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Also Floyd says it real cool.
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Oct 16, 2014 22:48
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They don't need to avoid saying every name from the comics at all times to dodge what Gotham is being accused of. It is a squad of villains going on a suicide mission, it is happening right in that moment! The most appropriate time to use the name and not a tease at all. It is not "Look at this six year old girl named Ivy who likes plants, gee I guess this is not relevant at all to our story. BUT LOOK AT HER AND REMEMBER COMIC BOOKS!"
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Oct 16, 2014 23:13
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Neon Knight posted:They don't need to avoid saying every name from the comics at all times to dodge what Gotham is being accused of. It is a squad of villains going on a suicide mission, it is happening right in that moment! The most appropriate time to use the name and not a tease at all. Or "Cobblepot, you walk like a penguin" or "Nygma, your riddles are stupid."
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Oct 16, 2014 23:23
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Neon Knight posted:They don't need to avoid saying every name from the comics at all times to dodge what Gotham is being accused of. It is a squad of villains going on a suicide mission, it is happening right in that moment! The most appropriate time to use the name and not a tease at all. That one's especially egregious because they changed her name just so it'd be more obvious for the non-comic people watching. Like reddish hair and plants aren't obvious enough, so they'd get confused if she was called Pamela.
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Some Numbers posted:Or "Cobblepot, you walk like a penguin" or "Nygma, your riddles are stupid." The Nygma riddle thing was just his first appearance for people who would have no clue what his name was. Every other appearance he hasn't done it.
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Oct 16, 2014 23:26
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muscles like this? posted:The Nygma riddle thing was just his first appearance for people who would have no clue what his name was. Every other appearance he hasn't done it. Some Numbers posted:Gotham spent the first half of its pilot throwing them in our faces.
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Oct 16, 2014 23:27
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Gaz-L posted:Like reddish hair and plants aren't obvious enough Correct.
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Arrow and Flash both have silly-stylized dialogue because they're Superhero shows on the CW. It's not like the writing teams can't find the "good dialogue" buttons--they're writing CW Soaps, which by their nature have a lot of declarative statements and exposition. These shows are written to be picked up and understood by ANY type of first time viewer and broad audiences of varying attention-spans. Laurel straight-up telling Oliver "YOU'VE REMOVED THE BULLETS!!"-is an exemple of what that type of writing they have to do--if Arrow was on FX with the exact same writers, that line would have never touched the page.
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It was better than that, it was "YOU TOOK THE BULLETS OUT OF THE GUN!", meaning she thought the Arrow might've also removed bullets from her cellphone and needed to clarify.
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Gaz-L posted:It was better than that, it was "YOU TOOK THE BULLETS OUT OF THE GUN!", meaning she thought the Arrow might've also removed bullets from her cellphone and needed to clarify. Yeah! Whenever I hear a line like that in Arrow and Flash, I can just see the writers eye-rolling, because they KNOW they have to put it in there. The kind of writing constraints they have are pretty big, actually. They have to keep pumping info and write it in a way that might feel "true" so actors are not out to sea when they have to perform it.
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Oct 17, 2014 00:18
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Oh god, you guys all have the Stockholm. Please continue to try to complain about other shows in order to build up the mess of this one. "They did it toooooo!"
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Drifter posted:Oh god, you guys all have the Stockholm. Please continue to try to complain about other shows in order to build up the mess of this one. I always love it when someone comes into a thread that's overwhelmingly positive and tries to convince everyone that no, they're the ones who are right and literally everyone else is wrong. It's just a good show, man.
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Phylodox posted:I always love it when someone comes into a thread that's overwhelmingly positive and tries to convince everyone that no, they're the ones who are right and literally everyone else is wrong. poo poo, I thought this was the Gotham thread. gently caress me. Pretend I posted this there. I really enjoy The Flash.
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