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It really is mindboggling that someone came up with an idol group composed of elementary school girls called "Girlfriend" and thought "Yeah, that's a great idea!" I'm actually going to do you all the service of C/Ping the article so nobody has to go to that site. quote:A junior idol group with members as young as 6 has banned one of their fans “for touching and monopolising” one of the girls at an event.
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Gimnbo posted:It really is mindboggling that someone came up with an idol group composed of elementary school girls called "Girlfriend" and thought "Yeah, that's a great idea!" These are details I did not want confirmed. loving HELL JAPAN
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Oct 16, 2014 20:38
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Joshlemagne posted:This isn't an anime thing it's just a general attitude toward female entertainers that Japan has. And it's cute how you say "more than one guy". Here's an article about a Japanese pop star who had to shave her head and apologize to her fans in a desperate attempt to save her career all for the heinous crime of having a boyfriend (yes, just one, like a normal person). Ban all idol groups in Japan, Korea, etc. This is terrible. Otaku, as always, are the worst.
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Oct 16, 2014 20:43
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Ninjasaurus posted:Oh sweet Jesus. They really would. It's already at the point they literally invite pedophiles to come play twister with the girls, it's horrid. WickedHate fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Oct 16, 2014 |
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Oct 16, 2014 20:44
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WickedHate posted:They really would. It's already at the point they literally invite pedophiles to come play twister with the girls, it's horrid. Anything to make a buck off the pervs that they market this poo poo to. If you have to tell adult men ahead of time not to touch the bodies of little girls, maybe the event was a bad idea to begin with. Unless Chris Hansen is hosting.
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Oct 16, 2014 20:49
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Joshlemagne posted:This isn't an anime thing it's just a general attitude toward female entertainers that Japan has. And it's cute how you say "more than one guy". Here's an article about a Japanese pop star who had to shave her head and apologize to her fans in a desperate attempt to save her career all for the heinous crime of having a boyfriend (yes, just one, like a normal person). Yeah, it's just that we were talking about anime. Idol fandom is indeed far more horrifying, as is just about everything else about that industry. Then again, someone green-lit Cross Ange and went 'yeah, this is what our following of giant robot fans want in our next series', so...
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Idol Fandom: why has nobody called the police yet?quote:“I can’t believe they go on about censoring anime and manga when an industry like this goes completely unmolested.” That's...more an indictment of the idol industry than a vindication of all the creepy poo poo that shows up in certain anime and manga.
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Oct 16, 2014 20:56
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:Idol Fandom: why has nobody called the police yet? I'm more focused on figuring out if I like or dislike that pun.
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Oct 16, 2014 20:58
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Ninjasaurus posted:Oh sweet Jesus. I doubt that they would actually pimp them out. The way the fuckers in the Idol industry make money is through cockteasing thousands of insecure young men. If they pimped their idols out, then their career would be done after the first guy had sex, since it would destroy the entire delusion the other men have of the idol being their girlfriend.
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Oct 16, 2014 21:03
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Arcsquad12 posted:I doubt that they would actually pimp them out. The way the fuckers in the Idol industry make money is through cockteasing thousands of insecure young men. If they pimped their idols out, then their career would be done after the first guy had sex, since it would destroy the entire delusion the other men have of the idol being their girlfriend. That's why you play pimproulete and oh gently caress this is awful let's talk about anything else. HOW ARE THE TROPERS FAILING AT WRITING TODAY
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Oct 16, 2014 21:06
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Arcsquad12 posted:I doubt that they would actually pimp them out. The way the fuckers in the Idol industry make money is through cockteasing thousands of insecure young men. If they pimped their idols out, then their career would be done after the first guy had sex, since it would destroy the entire delusion the other men have of the idol being their girlfriend. Nah, the thing about idols being pure, untouched virgins is a giant fabrication. They just have to be discreet about who they pimp the poor girls out to.
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Oct 16, 2014 21:07
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Darth Walrus posted:Nah, the thing about idols being pure, untouched virgins is a giant fabrication. They just have to be discreet about who they pimp the poor girls out to. To the repressed CEOs of record labels?
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Oct 16, 2014 21:21
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Oct 16, 2014 21:28
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Darth Walrus posted:Yeah, it's just that we were talking about anime. Idol fandom is indeed far more horrifying, as is just about everything else about that industry.
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Today I learned far more about something that I assumed was just exploitative in the usual way about than I ever wanted to  . Like, I just assumed those idol groups were like the Asian version of Disney-manufactured pop stars.I think I'm done looking at broken people for today.
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sweeperbravo posted:Is it just me or is this thread getting way grosser than usual
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Oct 16, 2014 22:04
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Sham bam bamina! posted:Yeah, and it's not even about TV Tropes anymore. Knock it off, everyone; there's plenty of poo poo to go around without actively derailing the thread into it. "I don't agree with Nambla, but..." is the worst possible way to start a statement.
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Oct 16, 2014 22:08
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WickedHate posted:"I don't agree with Nambla, but..." is the worst possible way to start a statement. quote:Their history and goals didn't really fit me, but
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Gimnbo posted:There is no aspect described in that article that isn't a terrible goddamn idea. I really like the (assuming 2ch) comments quoted in that article. They hate this poo poo as much as we do: quote:“Sounds more like a sex crime than a reason to ban him from the event…”
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It is strange how the idol industry isn't so heavily criticised compared to the manga/anime industry. That's not to say they don't have enormous problems, it just so bizarre how the fictional stuff is heavily censored and restricted compared to actually exploiting real people. On another note unless that sentence ends with "but I also believe we should move past the pitchforks and torches towards providing aid towards these sick fucks. So they stop being suck fucks.", he's probably another pedophile apologist.
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Oct 17, 2014 00:37
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Joshlemagne posted:This isn't an anime thing it's just a general attitude toward female entertainers that Japan has. And it's cute how you say "more than one guy". Here's an article about a Japanese pop star who had to shave her head and apologize to her fans in a desperate attempt to save her career all for the heinous crime of having a boyfriend (yes, just one, like a normal person). To be fair, the article says that even otaku thought this was going way too far. Annointed posted:It is strange how the idol industry isn't so heavily criticised compared to the manga/anime industry. That's not to say they don't have enormous problems, it just so bizarre how the fictional stuff is heavily censored and restricted compared to actually exploiting real people. That may be because the idol industry (and a lot of other Japanese media, for that matter) is owned by the goddamn Yakuza.
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I have a hard time believing the Yakuza has THAT much control. It's like saying "the reason why X bill passed was because the Mafia." They really can't be that big a threat to control so much.
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Anime is already reviled and has been for decades. People there see someone with an anime wallpaper on their phone and think they are a gross loser. Idols, comparatively, might be seen as better because it doesn't have years and years of cultural disdain already behind it, and so the public just isn't are aware of how hosed up it can get, while it's almost instinct to cringe at the sight of anime.
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sweeperbravo posted:Is it just me or is this thread getting way grosser than usual ...yet. So getting back to tvtropes, they have a page for a male character that might have mommy issues and prefers an older woman but a female character that might have daddy issues and is attracted to an older man just doesn't exist according to troper logic.
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Chromius posted:So getting back to tvtropes, they have a page for a male character that might have mommy issues and prefers an older woman but a female character that might have daddy issues and is attracted to an older man just doesn't exist according to troper logic. ''Please stick to examples where the older character is female. Preference for older men is not this trope.''
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Oct 17, 2014 02:22
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Chromius posted:Blame the child popstar group 'Girlfriend' which is tailored specifically to appeal to pedophiles. I'm just glad Disney hasn't gotten that desperate with their teen stars I'm betting that it did exist, but the page was so full of pedo poo poo that it got deleted.
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:I'm betting that it did exist, but the page was so full of pedo poo poo that it got deleted. Wouldn't surprise me if was full of pedo poo poo, and raging about how all women are whores who only go for sugar daddies.
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Burkion posted:I have a hard time believing the Yakuza has THAT much control. I dunno, I remember reading somewhere that in Japan the cops call beforehand to schedule their raids on Yakuza spots, so I mean, it might actually be that bad.
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Pulsedragon posted:I dunno, I remember reading somewhere that in Japan the cops call beforehand to schedule their raids on Yakuza spots, so I mean, it might actually be that bad. Yeah, same goes for Sumo apparently. Once upon a time organized crime was a pretty big influence in North American politics (obligatory  joke here  ), but circumstances like cold war paranoia erode that. That's not the case everywhere though.
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The Yakuza, from what little I know, is basically one of the biggest examples of Japan's cultural preferences warping into deviancy. Japan is just so bent towards being polite, not making a scene, etc, that it's not illegal to actually be a Yakuza member, it's only illegal if you commit crimes as one. Supposedly, if a Yakuza does something severe like kill someone, the generally offered advice is for the member to turn themselves in and confess. That way, they can quietly commit a much larger variety of crimes, as long as they don't make a fuss over it. I'll admit I know little about actual Japan, but I really hope as the years go on their isolationist and xenophobic mindset gets eroded by constant contact with the rest of the world. It sounds like half the time Japan is a miserable place to live because you happened to be born with the 'wrong' set of brain wiring.
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Cornwind Evil posted:The Yakuza, from what little I know, is basically one of the biggest examples of Japan's cultural preferences warping into deviancy. Japan is just so bent towards being polite, not making a scene, etc, that it's not illegal to actually be a Yakuza member, it's only illegal if you commit crimes as one. They have public offices and business cards. WickedHate fucked around with this message at 09:48 on Oct 17, 2014 |
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WickedHate posted:Actual otaku in Japan can be the loving worst. (Site is I am pretty sure if someone in America openly paid money to play twister with a six-year-old a vigilante would shoot them in the head. And that'd be OK.
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, article is 
) As much as we mock the beliefs tropers have about Japan and the "age of consent is thirteen there" myth, the industry goes out of it's way to appeal to the lolicon crowd, and that's why anime is in such a disastrous state right now. Nearly everything is fetishy because that what rings money out of this niche audience of reclusive people that the rest of Japan holds in contempt. If you ever hear American geeks complain about The Big Bang Theory or something, you should tell them how goddamn good they have it compared to Japanese geeks, who have it a whole lot worse as far as public perception goes, and for the most part the industry thinks it can survive by appealing directly to them with all the moe loli trash they could ever want.
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Chromius posted:
This baffles me. I know TVTropes are sad shut-ins but drat TVTropes are sad shut-ins.
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How much you want to bet Madrugada was talking about herself in that spiel about "Older women being unnattractive and therefore not Tropeworthy"?
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So I haven't been following in a while. Did that Armageddon War let's read thread ever happen?
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sweeperbravo posted:Is it just me or is this thread getting way grosser than usual  It's actually a little depressing, since this is one thing TVTropes isn't just making up; the creepy pedo-pandering exists, and is intentional.  I used the word creepy a lot in this post. I probably should have used it  
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Oct 17, 2014 23:28
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fade5 posted:I used the word creepy a lot in this post. I probably should have used it The invisible hand of the free market likes little girls.
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Gimnbo posted:The invisible hand of the free market likes little girls. It's not so much invisible in this case as it is tattooed and missing a pinky.
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