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Viggen posted:I have never negotiated directly with a high pressure salesperson. I just walk away if they don't respect my wishes. Dodge dealership here lost us for life because of this. When we come in saying we want a decently fuel efficient small SUV/crossover with AWD, but fairly barebones, and specifically no leather - don't try to sell us on an overpriced used Grand Cherokee with a 6 inch lift and oversized tires...with leather. We just left when he refused to show us a Journey (which we had rented one on a vacation a year earlier and quite liked, so if the price was right we may have bought it).
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Siochain posted:Dodge dealership here lost us for life because of this. When we come in saying we want a decently fuel efficient small SUV/crossover with AWD, but fairly barebones, and specifically no leather - don't try to sell us on an overpriced used Grand Cherokee with a 6 inch lift and oversized tires...with leather. We just left when he refused to show us a Journey (which we had rented one on a vacation a year earlier and quite liked, so if the price was right we may have bought it). My dealership avoids this kind of bullshit by paying our salesmen on a per-unit basis rather than on a commission basis. It doesn't matter if we sell you the $765 Toyota station wagon or something higher-end (although I'm sure the guys in our Bentley and Maserati showroom are probably making more per car). Some dealers tend to get so obsessed with making a certain amount of money in commission that they lose sight of the endgame, which is to get a customer into a car that they want to drive. I went through my customer log today and found two more sold deals that I missed, so it brings me a little closer to my goal for the month but still so far off. RIP my bonus checks  We've been really busy the last couple of Saturdays and holidays, so I've asked my boss what I can do to help out. Guess I'm gonna learn how to sell cars after all.
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Oct 13, 2014 20:03
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So I pay $250 a month for my 2006 BMW 325I which I can afford but I no longer wish to pay when I got my new job everyone had Jaguars Audi's and BMWs and I got sucked in. I now want to buy a beater Cherokee to work on. I owe 12000 on the BMW due to being upside down on my previous 2014 Wrangler. My question is how much better is selling private party. My car is in immaculate condition save for the bottom of the front bumper and carmax only offered me $6500. I'm looking for the best way to get out of my current car is a dealership always going to gently caress me? I'm not strong willed I hate negotiating but I also hate the fear of letting some hooligan drive my car/accepting possibly fake money or check. I'm not expecting to get pay off but I feel my car is worth 10k maybe not though..
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Oct 13, 2014 20:41
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Viggen posted:Basically, he didn't trust the check I gave them, despite it being a cashiers' check from a local branch of a nationwide bank (of which I took the salesdroid in post-drive and made him wait while I had it done), and wanted me to sign off on them charging me $XXX/mo for YY years on a bullshit loan with an APR higher than you get from loan sharks. I'm kind of surprised Neillo pulled that poo poo (unless it was the Audi dealer). Do you live in Sacramento?
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Oct 13, 2014 20:46
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Guru Yaekob posted:So I pay $250 a month for my 2006 BMW 325I which I can afford but I no longer wish to pay when I got my new job everyone had Jaguars Audi's and BMWs and I got sucked in. I now want to buy a beater Cherokee to work on. I owe 12000 on the BMW due to being upside down on my previous 2014 Wrangler. My question is how much better is selling private party. My car is in immaculate condition save for the bottom of the front bumper and carmax only offered me $6500. I'm looking for the best way to get out of my current car is a dealership always going to gently caress me? I'm not strong willed I hate negotiating but I also hate the fear of letting some hooligan drive my car/accepting possibly fake money or check. I'm not expecting to get pay off but I feel my car is worth 10k maybe not though.. You're going to want to check out KBB to see what your car is worth private party versus dealership trade in. The short answer is that, yes, you're probably going to get less money for it trading it in or selling it to a dealership. People trade their cars in for a reason, and that is convenience. Are you willing to take the hit in your car's value by selling it to a dealership? The other thing to consider is how much your time is worth to you. Is it worth it to spend the time listing the car, responding to emails and phone calls, meeting with prospective buyers, and writing off flakes? Trading it in might be worth the hit if you don't want to deal with the unwashed masses, but if you've got the free time to meet with people, it could be worth getting $10,000 instead of $6500.
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Oct 13, 2014 21:02
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nm posted:I'm kind of surprised Neillo pulled that poo poo (unless it was the Audi dealer). Do you live in Sacramento? Nope. It was the BMW dealership. I live a couple hours away. They also tried the "Pay our sales tax (its the same as yours), and you can drive it away. Otherwise, we need to call an 80 year old codger to take it to a UPS store in your county, and once they notarize the paperwork, you can have the car." Needless to say, if I didn't love the car, I would have walked at this point.
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Oct 13, 2014 21:14
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One of my coworkers is having a not-so-fun time trying to explain to her customer that he has to pay interest on his car loan, even though his religion forbids it. 
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Oct 14, 2014 22:54
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goatse guy posted:One of my coworkers is having a not-so-fun time trying to explain to her customer that he has to pay interest on his car loan, even though his religion forbids it. I thought Muslims only couldn't charge interest.
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Oct 14, 2014 23:01
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goatse guy posted:One of my coworkers is having a not-so-fun time trying to explain to her customer that he has to pay interest on his car loan, even though his religion forbids it. What religion is that?
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Oct 14, 2014 23:01
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goatse guy posted:One of my coworkers is having a not-so-fun time trying to explain to her customer that he has to pay interest on his car loan, even though his religion forbids it. Been there before as a private seller. It's not my fault you can't pay me.
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Oct 14, 2014 23:02
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mariooncrack posted:What religion is that? Islam. Seat Safety Switch posted:I thought Muslims only couldn't charge interest. Depends on which imam you ask. goatse guy fucked around with this message at 23:12 on Oct 14, 2014 |
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Oct 14, 2014 23:03
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I'm not sure what you can do about that. The solution with mortgages that comply with sharia law is to have effectively zero-interest repayments on the property, but have a rent charged in parallel until the mortgage is paid off. I know it sounds like mental gymnastics for the sake of it, but it apparently works, and banks which do it get the custom. Not sure what the option would be for cars. High deposit, no discount from list price? Would that make back what you lose in interest?
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Oct 14, 2014 23:10
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InitialDave posted:I'm not sure what you can do about that. You can get around it through the banks by paying a large lump sum up front. The only problem is that if you total your car, you won't get that money back through insurance.
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Oct 14, 2014 23:23
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That sounds completely ridiculous and I'm not sure how trying to outsmart your chosen imaginary friend by following the letter of their law but not the spirit makes one anything other than a hypocrite. It sounds like devout muslims simply need to earn money before they spend it, which sounds like a really good lesson if not a bit impractical for things like a house.
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Oct 14, 2014 23:25
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goatse guy posted:You can get around it through the banks by paying a large lump sum up front. The only problem is that if you total your car, you won't get that money back through insurance. Here, I can choose gap cover in varying grades, right up to "go buy me a new one even if I only owe 10% of the depreciated value", deposit percentages etc aren't really part of it. Does that not exist under the US system? I mean, it's not a standard thing you're insured for, but the additional cover is available. Or are we talking about something else entirely? Motronic posted:That sounds completely ridiculous and I'm not sure how trying to outsmart your chosen imaginary friend by following the letter of their law but not the spirit makes one anything other than a hypocrite. I think halal and kosher food is a somewhat arbitrary and silly set of rules, but if I ran a restaurant/grocery store, I'd try to find a way to sell as many potential customers as possible, even if it makes little logical sense.
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Oct 14, 2014 23:36
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InitialDave posted:Really? That's interesting. I actually have zero idea how it works, because they never do it. We have a lot of Muslim customers thanks to the Twin Cities large population of Somalis, but I have yet to meet one who is devout enough to care about paying interest. InitialDave posted:I don't disagree, but from a business perspective, I think I'd just shrug and work on getting the jump on a potentially lucrative market that my competitors aren't tapping. If you were running a restaurant or grocery store, it would make more sense to weigh the costs of catering to those customers with how much business you'd actually recieve. I've managed a few restaurants, and it just didn't make sense to specially cater toward halal, kosher, vegan, or even gluten-free customers because we just didn't have the demand to make up for the cost of modifying our menu. I'm not saying that we didn't try to help them if they really wanted to eat there, but there are some times that it really isn't worth going out of your way to help someone.
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Oct 14, 2014 23:51
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goatse guy posted:I've managed a few restaurants, and it just didn't make sense to specially cater toward halal With the insurance, I thought you were saying that a high deposit would affect your insurance payout if a car was written off, that's what was confusing me.
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Oct 15, 2014 00:07
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It's probably because it's an exotic loan that GAP coverage providers don't typically cover, or can't for some regulatory reason. Mental gymnastics is right. I remember when my wife was working in a hotel and had a bunch of Jewish dudes come up and ask her to walk in front of the front-door sensors so they could leave 
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Sabbath enabled elevators will stop at every single floor automatically without human interaction on Saturday. Yes it defeats the spirit of the law and is massively slower than taking the stairs
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Oct 15, 2014 12:06
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Those things really confound me. So God, being all seeing and all powerful and surely knowing what you're up to, is fine with you circumventing his wishes by violating the spirit of the law, even if the letter of the law has not been violated? Seems like you'd might as well just say "gently caress it" at that point. Edit: sorry, I thought this was the general chat thread. goatse guy posted:Sorry dude, but not everyone is gonna get those magic 0.9% interest rates. You gotta prove yourself first. And who gets 0.9%?
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Oct 15, 2014 12:45
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Nidhg00670000 posted:
People that don't need it, but have made good financial choices in the past and have 800+ credit ratings.
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Oct 15, 2014 12:50
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In your experience, how hard is it to do a straight trade on used cars? I'm looking to trade in a 2012 Focus and trying to pick up a 2007 Miata. It's looking like the Miatas(NC, third gen, only one I can fit in with my proportions) are around $12K and I could get $12K for the Focus. What pitfalls am I missing in this? I'm trying to get into something less soulless and grey without incurring debt.
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Nidhg00670000 posted:
Like meatpimp said, people with good credit. I have limited credit history because I've had a credit card for a year and never had a loan before, and the banks initially offered me a 12.9% interest rate. The finance office was able to negotiate on my behalf for a better rate since I work for the dealership, but in general first time buyers get hosed. Taco Box posted:In your experience, how hard is it to do a straight trade on used cars? I'm looking to trade in a 2012 Focus and trying to pick up a 2007 Miata. It's looking like the Miatas(NC, third gen, only one I can fit in with my proportions) are around $12K and I could get $12K for the Focus. What pitfalls am I missing in this? I'm trying to get into something less soulless and grey without incurring debt. The numbers don't usually work out that smoothly. If your local dealership is still in the business of negotiating, it would be much easier. edit to add: I love when the first customer email that I open in a day is a nastygram from someone who has their panties in a bundle. Our dealership purchases vehicles from auctions in other parts of the country in order to give our customers more vehicles to choose from, and as soon as they are purchased they are entered in our online inventory, regardless of whether the car is actually here yet or not. A customer inquired on one of these vehicles five days ago, and has sent me five snotty emails wondering if the car is here yet. This morning he told me that he's no longer interested, because the time it's taking to get here is "ridiculous." Dude. How long do you think it takes to get a truck full of cars shipped across the country? Do you call Amazon and tell them to cancel your order when it takes more than five days? goatse guy fucked around with this message at 14:24 on Oct 15, 2014 |
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Speaking of religious crazies, one of my customers came in last night to check out a PT Cruiser. No, that's not the craziest part, let me finish. They brought in a ton of family members, and they had to pray before each test drive. The matriarch of the family was chanting. I guess Jesus didn't like any of their vehicle choices, because they didn't purchase anything.
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goatse guy posted:Speaking of religious crazies, one of my customers came in last night to check out a PT Cruiser. No, that's not the craziest part, let me finish. They brought in a ton of family members, and they had to pray before each test drive. The matriarch of the family was chanting.
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quote:This 200 is for Chrysler fans looking far and wide for an outstanding, low-mileage creampuff. It will save you money by keeping you on the road and out of the mechanic's garage. I don't know who writes our vehicle descriptions, but they keep referring to "Chrysler fans" and "Saturn enthusiasts." Are those even real things?
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Oct 17, 2014 00:38
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goatse guy posted:I don't know who writes our vehicle descriptions, but they keep referring to "Chrysler fans" and "Saturn enthusiasts." Are those even real things? Well, STR and TT exist, so.. maybe? 
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Viggen posted:Well, STR and TT exist, so.. maybe? I guess if Saab enthusiasts can exist... 
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goatse guy posted:I don't know who writes our vehicle descriptions, but they keep referring to "Chrysler fans" and "Saturn enthusiasts." Are those even real things? I like my decrepit 15 year old Saturd, but it's really an appliance.
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goatse guy posted:I don't know who writes our vehicle descriptions, but they keep referring to "Chrysler fans" and "Saturn enthusiasts." Are those even real things? http://www.saturnfans.com/ https://www.allpar.com/forums/ http://www.taurusclub.com/forum/ http://www.ptcruizer.com/ http://www.j-body.org/forums/ http://grandamgt.com/ And my favoriate http://forum.chryslerminivan.net/ An example signature quote:Im 25 and my parents own a 2014 Grand Caravan R/T (3.6l, 56 miles) 2007 Dodge Caliber SXT (1.8l 76k miles 5spd), a 2005 Dodge Grand Caravan SXT(3.8l 41TE 113k miles), a 2001 Chrysler PT Cruiser ((which is mine) 2.4l 116k miles 41TE), and a 2000 Ford Mustang base (3.8l, 4 spd auto 27k miles)
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Oct 17, 2014 01:09
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I wouldn't be bragging about a PT Cruiser, that's something you NEVER admit to.
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leica posted:I wouldn't be bragging about a PT Cruiser, that's something you NEVER admit to. I wish I got the picture of the one I saw yesterday. It had a flame job, additional chrome trimmage beyond the usual JC whitney catalog, and personalized plates. By the time I got to the freeway entrance (about 6 blocks away), I was laughing so hard I was crying and had to pull off into a parking lot, lest I cause an accident. It was JUST THAT BAD. goatse guy posted:I guess if Saab enthusiasts can exist... ..not everybody was born to be a Kiyndai, sweetheart. 
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Viggen posted:Well, STR and TT exist, so.. maybe? It's a Cobalt 2LT with a plastic body and a spare tire.  It's mostly an appliance for me.
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Oct 17, 2014 01:49
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Viggen posted:I wish I got the picture of the one I saw yesterday. It had a flame job, additional chrome trimmage beyond the usual JC whitney catalog, and personalized plates. By the time I got to the freeway entrance (about 6 blocks away), I was laughing so hard I was crying and had to pull off into a parking lot, lest I cause an accident. It was JUST THAT BAD. I see a lot of PT Cruisers with flames and additional chrome trim. I have no idea why.
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goatse guy posted:I don't know who writes our vehicle descriptions, but they keep referring to "Chrysler fans" and "Saturn enthusiasts." Are those even real things? Is it natural to want to kick in the teeth of people who use classified-speak like "creampuff"?
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The PT Cruiser is stupid popular for some reason. I don't know why, but I take a lot of appointments on them whenever we have them in stock.
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Oct 17, 2014 02:10
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goatse guy posted:The PT Cruiser is stupid popular for some reason. I don't know why, but I take a lot of appointments on them whenever we have them in stock. Because it's hip or own an ugly car? Or old people really like them? My former coworker is driving one with 210+k miles on it. I have no idea how it still runs.
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Oct 17, 2014 02:13
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mariooncrack posted:My former coworker is driving one with 210+k miles on it. I have no idea how it still runs. Poorly. Just like it did when new.
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Oct 17, 2014 02:41
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Phy posted:Is it natural to want to kick in the teeth of people who use classified-speak like "creampuff"? Only when it's not warranted. I've heard it only once, when my brother tried to buy a Cadillac. In his defense, that car was smooth.
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I was a first time buyer and managed to get a 0% rate on my ford focus. I think I just hit the timing just right of trying to clean out the old years inventory.
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