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wormil
Sep 12, 2002

Hulk will smoke you!
The developer acct was $19 when I checked a few hours ago.

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Drastic Actions
Apr 7, 2009

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wormil posted:

The developer acct was $19 when I checked a few hours ago.

Register via Windows App Studio

ljw1004
Jan 18, 2005

rum

Mecca-Benghazi posted:

You might be confused because the 635 is the only att phone that launches with 8.1.

I LOVE MY 635!

Bought it a month ago after my toddler met my high-end HTC8x phone and cracked the screen and broke the headphone socket. It's amazing that for $80 I can get a phone that all round feels better than the much pricier htc. (or was it pricier? I don't clearly remember). The 635 doesn't have as much RAM, but in daily use it feels faster.

* Nokia Drive is nice. I downloaded "surfer dude" voicepack for it. My wife hates it. Dude, turn right!

* Nokia Camera is nice for giving me detailed control over ISO &c.

* The "sensor core" is great with Bing Health&Fitness app. Sensor core is apparently an ultra-low-batter-consumption set of sensors for accelerometer and gyrometer which together are able to count how many steps I've walked. And I always carry my phone with me, so this is a no-brainer way of motivating me to walk more. I guess I could have bought a fitbit to do the same, but getting it at no extra cost and no extra power-charging is nice.

* I did have the developer preview on my HTC8x, and didn't like having to do that, and it's nice just having a consumer device with the latest OS rather than having to mess with it.

* I always loved my Nokia phones from the 90s and early 2000s and it feels good to go back to Nokia. I like the feel of the device in my hands, better than the HTC.

* Nokia 635 allows the screen to be dimmed all the way down, so dim that it's actually completely black in daylight. Now this is of course useless in daylight :) But for reading at night, I want dim, and I'm glad to have dimmer than the HTC.

* Sounds crazy but I prefer having the "soft" buttons (where Back/Windows/Search buttons are just glyphs on the touchscreen rather than dedicated actual buttons elsewhere on the phone). Looks nicer.

* Amazingly, after I transferred the SIM out of my HTC8x and booted up my new 635 for the first time, everything transferred. I honestly hadn't expected that. I don't recall ever actually backing up my HTC8x. I don't know how or when it backed stuff up, but it did.


On the downsides, yes I'm missing a few apps. I want a better app for recording BBC podcasts (currently have to use a combination of ListenAgain and Episodic both of which have poor UIs). I want a better app for SomethingAwful (currently using DrasticAction's app but it doesn't feel as slick as the iPad offering). I want a better app for music (currently using FactorMystic's HarmonyMusic app but it doesn't expose the folder structure of my 50gb OneDrive music archive). I want the Facebook app to be quicker. Other than those, I'm covered on my day-to-day app needs - FirstTech banking app, Freda ebook app, OneBusAway app for transit, wellNEZTed app for Nest thermostat. The 635 doesn't have a front-facing camera, and apparently the regular camera isn't as high quality as the more expensive phones, but I haven't yet suffered from these.



The bottom line is this: I like having a cheap phone that's not only good enough but actually a pleasure to use. I never intend to buy a high-end phone again. The only question is whether Windows 10 will come for the 635, or whether I'll have to spend another $80 next year for the next model.



Disclaimer: I work at Microsoft, but in the VS division not the Windows/Phone division.

Drastic Actions
Apr 7, 2009

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ljw1004 posted:

I want a better app for SomethingAwful (currently using DrasticAction's app but it doesn't feel as slick as the iPad offering).

I'm still working on it when I have time, but lately I've been doing more VLC work... and also moving to Boston to work at Xamarin. Right now I'm refactoring everything so that it can hopefully be slick. I just redid Favorite Forum support so that it uses the Entity Framework, and I'm fixing it so that it'll also be used for the bookmarks list. I'm also redoing the thread layouts so that, depending on available screen space, Avatars and usernames will appear on the left side (like how the normal forums do it0 or top (where they are now in the app).

But my real push is to refactor the last few remaining functions in the core solution so I can turn it into a true PCL, rather than the "universal" PCL. Now that I work at Xamarin, I get access to the highest level tier of their tools for free (which means Visual Studio support :D), so I really want to see how I can leverage that into new apps for more popular platforms.

wormil
Sep 12, 2002

Hulk will smoke you!

Thanks, I was using the link posted on the last page

Doomsday Jesus
Oct 8, 2004

Doomsday Jesus we need you now.

loquacius posted:

Also, Microsoft is definitely not going to gate with Windows 10, that's just people being paranoid.



Can you please make this a toxx clause?

I was 75% through a 3 hour long podcast today and the Podcast player decided to not resume at the same place. And th scrubber for podcasts is total poo poo.

LentThem
Aug 31, 2004

90% Retractible

There's also some kind of Lite version of the WinPhone SDK that you can use to dev-unlock the phone that also enables the dev preview thing, I think.

ljw1004 posted:

* I did have the developer preview on my HTC8x, and didn't like having to do that, and it's nice just having a consumer device with the latest OS rather than having to mess with it.
I think the current Dev Preview version is still newer than what's on your phone.

ljw1004 posted:

* I always loved my Nokia phones from the 90s and early 2000s and it feels good to go back to Nokia. I like the feel of the device in my hands, better than the HTC.
Agreed, my previous Nokia (Symbian) was amazing, and even the stupid gimmick features were fun. I used to love using the FM transmitter to hijack my friend's car radio.

ljw1004 posted:

* Nokia 635 allows the screen to be dimmed all the way down, so dim that it's actually completely black in daylight. Now this is of course useless in daylight :) But for reading at night, I want dim, and I'm glad to have dimmer than the HTC.
One complaint about the Automatic+Low setting on my 925 is that it's still too bright for reading at night; I wish I had a proper manual setting.

Charles Martel
Mar 7, 2007

"The Hero of the Age..."

The hero of all ages

Yeah, oops. I meant to post that one. I didn't have to pay anything to make a developer account. I went back and edited my post in case others see it first.

Thank goodness for it, because after using 8.1, I could never go back.

sourdough
Apr 30, 2012

Doomsday Jesus posted:

Can you please make this a toxx clause?

"Of course they're going to update WP7 phones to WP8, they wouldn't alienate all their staunchest supporters and early adopters like that!"

Bloody Typical
Oct 27, 2005

Hey, keep the noise down Jerk, this is a residential area.

wormil posted:

Anyone using an ELM327, Bluetooth OBD code reader, with a Windows phone? I have an old phone if I have to use Android but I'd rather use my current phone.

Yeah I use one with my 8x and a copy of AutoGaugex

Resets codes and displays gauges,

http://goo.gl/MXjgwb

LifeSizePotato
Mar 3, 2005

RVProfootballer posted:

"Of course they're going to update WP7 phones to WP8, they wouldn't alienate all their staunchest supporters and early adopters like that!"

"And just 5 months after releasing a flagship Lumia! MS isn't that aimless."

wormil
Sep 12, 2002

Hulk will smoke you!

Typical GBS posted:

Yeah I use one with my 8x and a copy of AutoGaugex

Resets codes and displays gauges,

http://goo.gl/MXjgwb

I ordered an ELM327 from Amazon and have downloaded the app. Couple days and hopefully I'll have it up and running.


That was silly easy and quick. Installing update now.

Edit; this is going to take all day. It's on the 2nd 8.0xxx update to prepare for 8.1.

wormil fucked around with this message at 19:12 on Oct 14, 2014

Stick100
Mar 18, 2003

RVProfootballer posted:

"Of course they're going to update WP7 phones to WP8, they wouldn't alienate all their staunchest supporters and early adopters like that!"

If you look in the archives you can find myself and several developers saying they would not update WP7->8 on the then current phones and laughed at in this very (equivalent) thread. There were rumors/rumbling for a long time that it would happen but the MS fans refused to believe it.

I think it's possible with 10 although I've heard no rumors so that this point I don't have a personal opinion except that it's possible and MS has a history of abandoning it's userbase (2 full reboots in less that 3 years).

Stick100 fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Oct 14, 2014

blogo
Oct 1, 2004
Woke up late today and missed first class because the alarm didn't go off. The bugs on WP just amazes me sometimes. First the duplicate media bug, which makes it useless as a media player, and now this.

For troubleshooting I tried changing the time of the alarm to see if it went off, but it didn't work. Then I configured an identical alarm and set it to go off and that worked. Looking on the net it seems to be a scheduler problem where some events don't fire, and this problem has existed for years!

Stubb Dogg
Feb 16, 2007

loskat naamalle
It looks like 3d touch thing not working out messed up Nokia's whole upcoming product portfolio and all 9xx series flagship designs had to be started from scratch. It was leaked all over that they were supposed to have new global flagship for 8.1 summer launch (instead we got 930 which is just Icon with different chipset variant) and some bastardized version of that for US operators as well bit later on.

I'd imagine product pipeline reset probably delayed everything at least 6 months because that's lead time for many of high end components that are in short supply, so maybe we'll get something announced at CES 2015.

And I wouldn't worry about current phones not being upgradeable to Win10 that much, since WP 8.x internals are already quite close to Win8. There's probably more work on desktop Windows side making it more modular and getting rid all remains of desktop and all that other cruft that is not required in phones/tablets so they can really share same codebase instead of just component here and component there.

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

Yeah, again, the only argument people have presented for that is that it's a thing that has happened before. WP8 phones have modern hardware running on a usable kernel; there's no actual reason anyone has presented that they couldn't be upgraded to modern software. This wasn't true for WM6.5 and it wasn't true for WP7.

Stick100
Mar 18, 2003

loquacius posted:

Yeah, again, the only argument people have presented for that is that it's a thing that has happened before. WP8 phones have modern hardware running on a usable kernel; there's no actual reason anyone has presented that they couldn't be upgraded to modern software. This wasn't true for WM6.5 and it wasn't true for WP7.

WP6.5 could upgrade to WP7, WP7 could upgrade to WP8. They choose not to update the devices, not that it was impossible as an example the HTC HD2 could run both WP7 and WP8. Also the launch WP8 devices will not even remotely have modern hardware by the time WP10 is ready.

As stated there is not a huge body of evidence but it makes just as much sense to do it this time as it did before (tiny userbase, desire to reduce QA load, want highest quality experience for new OS).

wormil
Sep 12, 2002

Hulk will smoke you!
Well I upgraded to 8.1 DP and it seems to work fine except I can no longer send text messages over wi-fi. That's a pretty big deal because cell reception at my house is terrible.

It was nice to finally be able to use Awful Forums Reader and see user names again. Is there a way to sort so that threads with replies are at the top?

.Tim
Jul 3, 2004

Stubb Dogg posted:


And I wouldn't worry about current phones not being upgradeable to Win10 that much, since WP 8.x internals are already quite close to Win8. There's probably more work on desktop Windows side making it more modular and getting rid all remains of desktop and all that other cruft that is not required in phones/tablets so they can really share same codebase instead of just component here and component there.

Yeah most 8.x phones will get it. Obviously a few won't but most will. Unless Microsoft figures out a way around it I doubt the firmware issue will change though.

Drastic Actions
Apr 7, 2009

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GET PUMPED!
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wormil posted:

It was nice to finally be able to use Awful Forums Reader and see user names again. Is there a way to sort so that threads with replies are at the top?

There is a way to on the W8 app, but I don't think I added the option to the WP8.1 version. If it's not in the options already, I'll put it there.

OldPueblo
May 2, 2007

Likes to argue. Wins arguments with ignorant people. Not usually against educated people, just ignorant posters. Bing it.
My bad memory tells me the biggest issue with going from 7.5 to 8 was more chipset/driver related I thought. Anyway here's an update summary from what I've seen on the 830 which is coming to AT&T, and a potential "upgrade" for those with old faithful (920):

*Supposedly will come with QI charging, will have glance, etc. So functionally it doesn't lack anything.
*Performance seems to be roughly equivalent, wins and loses some contests. I'm going to completely guess that maybe this has to do with some apps not using all four cores or something, which means it may perform faster in the long run?
*Does have some upgrades like sensorcore, MicroSD, removable battery, better camera.
*It's bigger than the 920, but lighter and thinner as well. 4.5" -> 5" screen but same resolution.
*The only major strike for me would be it will not have the upcoming "Hey Cortana" passive listening feature.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-tU8v-HGjsCxkP0eKgLSwQ

Personally I'm going to ride my family 920/1020s into the ground I think, or just keep waiting to see what else comes. I'd like something faster but I'm not unhappy right now.

CalvinandHobbes
Aug 5, 2004

OldPueblo posted:

My bad memory tells me the biggest issue with going from 7.5 to 8 was more chipset/driver related I thought. Anyway here's an update summary from what I've seen on the 830 which is coming to AT&T, and a potential "upgrade" for those with old faithful (920):

*Supposedly will come with QI charging, will have glance, etc. So functionally it doesn't lack anything.
*Performance seems to be roughly equivalent, wins and loses some contests. I'm going to completely guess that maybe this has to do with some apps not using all four cores or something, which means it may perform faster in the long run?
*Does have some upgrades like sensorcore, MicroSD, removable battery, better camera.
*It's bigger than the 920, but lighter and thinner as well. 4.5" -> 5" screen but same resolution.
*The only major strike for me would be it will not have the upcoming "Hey Cortana" passive listening feature.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-tU8v-HGjsCxkP0eKgLSwQ

Personally I'm going to ride my family 920/1020s into the ground I think, or just keep waiting to see what else comes. I'd like something faster but I'm not unhappy right now.

Just wait for ATT to announce that they've done you the favor of removing built in Qi charging in favor of $50 powermat cases!

(i'm only 10% joking...)

Mecca-Benghazi
Mar 31, 2012


The 830 will actually come with Qi charging on AT&T: http://www.wpcentral.com/att-lumia-830-come-qi-wireless-charging-after-all and the article says Sprint will finally be getting a Lumia. Good if true.

Chasiubao
Apr 2, 2010


So the light sensor on my 920 decided to stop working. Glance doesn't work, notifications don't turn the screen on, and the screen goes black immediately when I'm trying to push keys during a call.

I've tried everything short of a hard reset, and I don't have a screen protector. Anyone have any ideas? :(

xylo
Feb 21, 2007
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Chasiubao posted:

So the light sensor on my 920 decided to stop working. Glance doesn't work, notifications don't turn the screen on, and the screen goes black immediately when I'm trying to push keys during a call.

I've tried everything short of a hard reset, and I don't have a screen protector. Anyone have any ideas? :(
Sounds like dust in the proximity sensor. Try using some canned air in the ear hole angled to the right to blow it out.

TopherCStone
Feb 27, 2013

I am very important and deserve your attention

Stick100 posted:

WP6.5 could upgrade to WP7, WP7 could upgrade to WP8. They choose not to update the devices, not that it was impossible as an example the HTC HD2 could run both WP7 and WP8. Also the launch WP8 devices will not even remotely have modern hardware by the time WP10 is ready.

As stated there is not a huge body of evidence but it makes just as much sense to do it this time as it did before (tiny userbase, desire to reduce QA load, want highest quality experience for new OS).

In a world where most WM 6.5 devices couldn't even run 6.5 that well, the chances of them getting upgraded to 7 were absolutely nil.

I just bought a refurbished HTC 8x to mess around with because I really haven't played around with Windows Phone at all. I picked it over the lower-end Nokias for the screen resolution, and I am enjoying it so far. Microsoft really has to unfuck their store though, because there's far too much crapware that never should have appeared on it in the first place.

Speaking of the store, I'm having issues downloading the new Age of Empires game. It works fine on my computer, but when I try to download through the phone store, it gives me error code 805a0193. This persists through several reboots and on 2 different wifi networks. Other apps download fine, but this one just keeps throwing the same error. Microsoft's page on it isn't very helpful; it doesn't seem like there's anything wrong with my connection or a problem on the server side. Anyone experienced this?

e: for further information I am running the developer preview fully updated, but this problem existed even before I installed the preview.


e2: Working fine as of this morning

TopherCStone fucked around with this message at 12:33 on Oct 16, 2014

Chasiubao
Apr 2, 2010


xylo posted:

Sounds like dust in the proximity sensor. Try using some canned air in the ear hole angled to the right to blow it out.

Thanks for the idea! Will try it tomorrow morning.

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

TopherCStone posted:

e2: Working fine as of this morning

Yeah, I've had weird intermittent bugs when attempting to download an app -- in my case, I couldn't download Runtastic for the life of me but tried again two days later and it worked fine. Just thinking about being the SDET in charge of that feature and getting a dev to seriously investigate a bug like this is making me shudder.

Chasiubao
Apr 2, 2010


xylo posted:

Sounds like dust in the proximity sensor. Try using some canned air in the ear hole angled to the right to blow it out.

:glomp:

Totally worked. Thanks for the suggestion!

Ev
Aug 3, 2006
Has anyone had problems with their phone not saving pictures you take? My 1520 seems to do this thing where it will look like it's taking a photo, then when I go to look at it it's just not there. It also, sometimes, takes a ridiculously long time to take a photo after I hit the button to do so and a lot of the time it just won't open the camera app again after that, I'll either have to close it and then re-open it. Anyone else have this kind of problem?

I'm on Cyan and the latest 8.1 DP update.

wookieepelt
Jul 23, 2009

Ev posted:

Has anyone had problems with their phone not saving pictures you take? My 1520 seems to do this thing where it will look like it's taking a photo, then when I go to look at it it's just not there. It also, sometimes, takes a ridiculously long time to take a photo after I hit the button to do so and a lot of the time it just won't open the camera app again after that, I'll either have to close it and then re-open it. Anyone else have this kind of problem?

I'm on Cyan and the latest 8.1 DP update.

I had this problem until I went in the settings and unchecked the box to play living images.

OldPueblo
May 2, 2007

Likes to argue. Wins arguments with ignorant people. Not usually against educated people, just ignorant posters. Bing it.

Ev posted:

Has anyone had problems with their phone not saving pictures you take? My 1520 seems to do this thing where it will look like it's taking a photo, then when I go to look at it it's just not there. It also, sometimes, takes a ridiculously long time to take a photo after I hit the button to do so and a lot of the time it just won't open the camera app again after that, I'll either have to close it and then re-open it. Anyone else have this kind of problem?

I'm on Cyan and the latest 8.1 DP update.

I've had it happen, it usually means for me the camera app hung. A reboot fixes it. If I take a picture and it takes forever to return for another picture, I always check to be sure.

wormil
Sep 12, 2002

Hulk will smoke you!
Cortana is lame. Indigo is way more fun.

TopherCStone
Feb 27, 2013

I am very important and deserve your attention
Looks like I'm heading back to iPhone for a while. Despite setting the APN correctly (and triple checking it) the 8x I bought will not send or receive MMS, and from what I'm seeing using other unlocked Windows phones on T-Mobile results in the same. Come Windows 10 full release I'll look back into it, because I found it an interesting platform, but it's certainly not compelling enough for me to forgo basic features.

Charles Martel
Mar 7, 2007

"The Hero of the Age..."

The hero of all ages
In MixRadio, XBox Music, or Awful Music on WP 8.1, how do I stop multi-disc albums from showing up all in one list? It will look like this:

Disc 1 - Track 1
Disc 2 - Track 1
Disc 1 - Track 2
Disc 2 - Track 2
etc
etc

I tried retagging all of the albums with Mp3Tag which assigned disc number tags to the mp3s, but no dice. Am I missing something or is it just more Windows Phone hijinks?

Edit: Figured it out. I had to go back and literally put Disc 1, Disc 2, Disc 3, etc. in the Album title in Mp3Tag for the Windows apps to separate them. I guess it completely ignores the disc number tag. That was driving me crazy.

Charles Martel fucked around with this message at 06:13 on Oct 17, 2014

JPrime
Jul 4, 2007

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Charles Martel posted:

In MixRadio, XBox Music, or Awful Music on WP 8.1, how do I stop multi-disc albums from showing up all in one list? It will look like this:

Disc 1 - Track 1
Disc 2 - Track 1
Disc 1 - Track 2
Disc 2 - Track 2
etc
etc

I tried retagging all of the albums with Mp3Tag which assigned disc number tags to the mp3s, but no dice. Am I missing something or is it just more Windows Phone hijinks?

Edit: Figured it out. I had to go back and literally put Disc 1, Disc 2, Disc 3, etc. in the Album title in Mp3Tag for the Windows apps to separate them. I guess it completely ignores the disc number tag. That was driving me crazy.

What's just as fun is when it mismatches your music because you don't have "Album Version" in the subtitle.

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013

TopherCStone posted:

Looks like I'm heading back to iPhone for a while. Despite setting the APN correctly (and triple checking it) the 8x I bought will not send or receive MMS, and from what I'm seeing using other unlocked Windows phones on T-Mobile results in the same. Come Windows 10 full release I'll look back into it, because I found it an interesting platform, but it's certainly not compelling enough for me to forgo basic features.

This is usually due to the "Wifi Calling" feature which all but disables MMS. As far as I know, T-Mobile still hasn't fixed it.

TopherCStone
Feb 27, 2013

I am very important and deserve your attention

monster on a stick posted:

This is usually due to the "Wifi Calling" feature which all but disables MMS. As far as I know, T-Mobile still hasn't fixed it.

Is that only on the 8x or all their Windows devices? And, not sure if this matters, but it was an OEM unlocked 8x, not T-Mobile branded so I don't think the Wifi Calling feature was there.

Ev
Aug 3, 2006

wookieepelt posted:

I had this problem until I went in the settings and unchecked the box to play living images.

This looks like it may have done the trick. I also turned off the capture living images option too and now it's working better. Still occasionally takes longer than it should to take a picture but it's not as bad as it was.

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wormil
Sep 12, 2002

Hulk will smoke you!
Yeah, the developer preview breaks wifi calling and texting on tmobile so I will have to roll back. It's a shame but T-Mobile has poor building penetration and lackluster coverage so I depend on wifi.

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