mind the walrus posted:

I mean jesus tittyfucking christ why is it such a big deal that you have the right to do it without fear of reprisal?

Opopanax posted:

You guys get that nobody is going to cart you off the gulag or anything for wearing blackface, right? You're not arguing for the right to dress up, because you have that right and always have; you're arguing that you should be able to do it consequence free. Go to comicon dressed as Al Jolson if you want, but expect that people will be angry and think you're an rear end in a top hat.

Opopanax posted:

you're arguing that you should be able to do it consequence free.

Honore_De_Balzac posted:

I just have to say that if you are offended by blackface then you should also be offended when a person dresses as, for example, mishon (sp) they wear a dread lock wig. They both aren't natural to your genetics.

mind the walrus posted:

I actually like this a lot because it's spot on, but you do know that White Nick Fury was a thing long before Black Nick Fury right? The character has been white and around since WWII comics when he led the "Howling Commandos."

WaterIsPoison posted:

To be honest, I think it's a bit different for Tropic Thunder since the context is clearly about an actor deliberately wearing blackface and the racist undertones related to his acting.

Opopanax posted:

You guys get that nobody is going to cart you off the gulag or anything for wearing blackface, right? You're not arguing for the right to dress up, because you have that right and always have; you're arguing that you should be able to do it consequence free. Go to comicon dressed as Al Jolson if you want, but expect that people will be angry and think you're an rear end in a top hat.

cool kids inc. posted:

Indeed. They make a point that this guy is a clueless idiot. He's called out by the actual black guy on the cast for being a gigantic loving moron. See : "What do you mean 'you people'?"

Hecuba posted:

Is this the right place to ask for cosplay assistance? If not, let me know and I’ll delete.

I’m looking to cosplay a crazy Biblical-style six-winged multi-eyed Night Vale angel for a big outdoor festival coming up in a couple of months, and was hoping to get some advice on the build. I’m generally pretty crafty but this will be my first ambitious cosplay, so any help would be super appreciated. I don’t have access to a shop, but do own basic hand tools like a drill, staple gun and small electric saw.

I’m thinking three components: a back harness for the wings, a toga/wrap type thing to cover it, and a SHITLOAD of face/body paint.

1. Wings: material is the major concern right now. This event can get crowded, so they have to be sturdy enough to stand up to some jostling. Any suggested materials? As of right now, I’m thinking light balsa wood or something along those lines. Corrugated cardboard would be cheap but probably too fragile. Craft foam is an option. Can anyone vouch for its durability? If I went the balsa/light plywood route, could I cut it with a small electric saw?

I’m also wondering about the construction. My current plan is to cut six backing frames for the wings, then staplegun or hotglue layers of cut-out eyes and feathers on top of them. Spraypaint the whole shebang and then staplegun each wing to a wooden “spine,” which I’d then attach straps to and cover up with the toga. This does seem like a lot, though — maybe just cutting out four larger pieces for each wing and layering them on top of each other would be less of a pain in the rear end?

2. Facepaint: Recommendations on rock-solid smearproof face/body paint would be amazing. There’s also the issue of — well, I’m hoping to do something like this or this (second picture is NSFW), but I’m a white person, and painting my face up black (even jet-black and covered with eyes) seems a little… icky to me. Thoughts?

3. Toga: I went to enough college parties to be able to handle this, I think.

Also, does anyone know where I could acquire a lightbulb that will glow without being screwed into anything? This is hard to phrase — basically I’m looking for something like this that I can hold in my hand.

Thanks, goons! I will deliver pictures when the big day comes, promise.

McPantserton posted:

And here are some more badass cosplays!
Lightning Cosplay

Spudd posted:

Isn't Lightning the character from a Final Fantasy game? That's Magda(??) from Diablo 3, a boss from the second act of the game.

McPantserton posted:

Yeah, the cosplayer's page name is Lightning Cosplay. https://www.facebook.com/LightningCos?ref=br_tf

Spudd posted:

Oh.

That's confusing.

LingcodKilla posted:

Thinking about getting out the ww2 gear to go watch Fury. Now I know people do that for scifi movies but is it just dumb/offensive for historical war movies?



It's a pretty detailed setup with some real stuff.

LingcodKilla posted:

Thinking about getting out the ww2 gear to go watch Fury. Now I know people do that for scifi movies but is it just dumb/offensive for historical war movies?



It's a pretty detailed setup with some real stuff.

Colonial Air Force posted:

I would do it, but my WW2 portrayals are British and Russian, so it'd be odd. Although I bet most people wouldn't even notice.

Basically, dude, go for it!

Psychobabble! posted:

Everyone has posted about most of this conversation but I wanted to comment on this. Are you loving stupid? Do you think black people come out the womb with dreads? Pretty much anyone of any race can have dreads, especially if they have coarse hair. A person who isn't black having dreads is not anything like black face. What the gently caress is wrong with you.

For the record, I think dress up as whoever you want no matter the race of the character and how much it contrasts with yours.

Honore_De_Balzac posted:

Nope not stupid. It was a rough example that I made at three in the morning with other things on my mind. I know this is SA, but you people dont have to be such dicks all the time. And some of your reactions are pretty laughable. "You can't dress as someone of another race, even if you keep you costume to clothing items." Ya, OK!

How about this. If a white boy with bright blonde hair wants to dress up as afro samurai, and wears a black afro wig. Is this offensive? It isn't his natural hair color, and he is using it to depict someone clearly of another race. Im sure you could find many examples of old racist with big red lips and a fro. I'll admit that hair can be altered more easily to look many different ways, but I dont see the difference when speaking purely on cosplay.

Or how about when a white woman puts on fake tanner to make herself a darker shade she couldn't naturally achieve. Is that offensive? She is wearing a skin tone that isnt natural to her, but is for many others. This is imo a very close example to a cosplayer respectfully dressing up as someone of another race. This example lady is wearing her new shade with pride, while not using it to humiliate or shame others. She actively wants this to be how others see her. Any form of makeup that alters your tone falls in this area too. Even if only to a minor degree. You could even go the opposite way when someone puts on a lighter shade for the same purpose. You are depicting yourself as something you are not, while there are other actual humans who do look that way.

The only reason Blackface is so taboo is because actual racists used it to further hate and ignorance. While a cosplay is used to embrace and celebrate. Maybe we arent in the right place as a society yet. Racisim is very much alive and well in America and around the world. I personally will never use makeup to alter my skin tone, nor am I advocating for others to do so. I think that this total opposition without questioning why it is this way furthers the legacy of an old racist society by demonizing something that by itself shouldn't be offensive. People should spend their energy where actual racism lives, rather than shaming some teens for dressing as their favorite fantasy character.

But I'm done riding this derail. This isn't very important to my daily life, and I am just here to look at cool costumes. Please, dont be an rear end, and post pictures of modern day blackface or anything else your little minds can come up with. This isn't me advocating anything. This me trying to have a reasonable discussion on the thought process of society. This is definitely not the thread, and will be all I say.

Alouicious posted:

really i just wanna know why whenever you tell a white guy why they shouldn't do a thing they write an essay about why they should totally be allowed to do that thing

LingcodKilla posted:

Thinking about getting out the ww2 gear to go watch Fury. Now I know people do that for scifi movies but is it just dumb/offensive for historical war movies?



It's a pretty detailed setup with some real stuff.

the_steve posted:

Honore_De_Balzac posted:

Nope not stupid. It was a rough example that I made at three in the morning with other things on my mind. I know this is SA, but you people dont have to be such dicks all the time. And some of your reactions are pretty laughable. "You can't dress as someone of another race, even if you keep you costume to clothing items." Ya, OK!

How about this. If a white boy with bright blonde hair wants to dress up as afro samurai, and wears a black afro wig. Is this offensive? It isn't his natural hair color, and he is using it to depict someone clearly of another race. Im sure you could find many examples of old racist with big red lips and a fro. I'll admit that hair can be altered more easily to look many different ways, but I dont see the difference when speaking purely on cosplay.

Or how about when a white woman puts on fake tanner to make herself a darker shade she couldn't naturally achieve. Is that offensive? She is wearing a skin tone that isnt natural to her, but is for many others. This is imo a very close example to a cosplayer respectfully dressing up as someone of another race. This example lady is wearing her new shade with pride, while not using it to humiliate or shame others. She actively wants this to be how others see her. Any form of makeup that alters your tone falls in this area too. Even if only to a minor degree. You could even go the opposite way when someone puts on a lighter shade for the same purpose. You are depicting yourself as something you are not, while there are other actual humans who do look that way.

The only reason Blackface is so taboo is because actual racists used it to further hate and ignorance. While a cosplay is used to embrace and celebrate. Maybe we arent in the right place as a society yet. Racisim is very much alive and well in America and around the world. I personally will never use makeup to alter my skin tone, nor am I advocating for others to do so. I think that this total opposition without questioning why it is this way furthers the legacy of an old racist society by demonizing something that by itself shouldn't be offensive. People should spend their energy where actual racism lives, rather than shaming some teens for dressing as their favorite fantasy character.

But I'm done riding this derail. This isn't very important to my daily life, and I am just here to look at cool costumes. Please, dont be an rear end, and post pictures of modern day blackface or anything else your little minds can come up with. This isn't me advocating anything. This me trying to have a reasonable discussion on the thought process of society. This is definitely not the thread, and will be all I say.

PleasantDirge posted:

How many of you railing for consequence free racist cosplay are white? 100%? 99%? This is SA so chances are we have some weaboo version of self hating brown person Pecos bill but aside from the single possible outlier like him I am willing to bet that 100% or slightly less of the "blackface isn't racist anymore it's 2014 gawd" crowd is either white or a that one weird rich, spoiled, idiot person of color.

Rogue 7 posted:

Use any loving costume or wig you want. Just don't change your skin color.

That's literally it. How loving hard is that?

Wax Dynasty posted:

Please prefix all posts with the hex value of your skin tone, thx in advance.

PleasantDirge posted:

How many of you railing for consequence free racist cosplay are white? 100%? 99%? This is SA so chances are we have some weaboo version of self hating brown person Pecos bill but aside from the single possible outlier like him I am willing to bet that 100% or slightly less of the "blackface isn't racist anymore it's 2014 gawd" crowd is either white or a that one weird rich, spoiled, idiot person of color.

Cheesemaster200 posted:

Likewise, how many of you pissing and moaning about being "offended" by it are white? 100% 99%? How about we stop presuming altogether what other ethnic groups may or may not find offensive about a loving cosplay.


Especially on the internet; gently caress.

Cheesemaster200 posted:

Likewise, how many of you pissing and moaning about being "offended" by it are white? 100% 99%? How about we stop presuming altogether what other ethnic groups may or may not find offensive about a loving cosplay.


Especially on the internet; gently caress.

Tarezax posted:

I'm Asian. Yellowface would be just as offensive, gently caress you.

Luckily people cosplaying Asian characters don't feel the need to change their skin color for some reason!

Tarezax posted:

I'm Asian. Yellowface would be just as offensive, gently caress you.

Luckily people cosplaying Asian characters don't feel the need to change their skin color for some reason!

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Oh poo poo! You DO have to be black to find blackface distasteful! Good to know!