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mind the walrus posted:I mean jesus tittyfucking christ why is it such a big deal that you have the right to do it without fear of reprisal? I think that one point that was made was that one of the Michonne cosplayer was German, had no idea internet people would get mad, quickly apologized and deleted the pictures. Another example, in France, a (bad) comedy involved a very blatant blackface in some kind of "Watermelon man" story. And black people actually liked the movie. And there was no drama because the intent was clear and the subject treated remotely intelligently (showing to white people how it is to live as a black person). The point is that saying that portraying a black character when you are white, using makeup, is universally offensive, is not true. And yes blackface is a horrible offensive caricature, but calling the two examples above blackface is IMHO incorrect. edit: and apparently it's even OK in the US too so I really don't know what is all the fuss with the SJW here timely ↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓ SpaceGoatFarts has a new favorite as of 15:30 on Oct 17, 2014 |
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You guys get that nobody is going to cart you off the gulag or anything for wearing blackface, right? You're not arguing for the right to dress up, because you have that right and always have; you're arguing that you should be able to do it consequence free. Go to comicon dressed as Al Jolson if you want, but expect that people will be angry and think you're an rear end in a top hat.
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To be honest, I think it's a bit different for Tropic Thunder since the context is clearly about an actor deliberately wearing blackface and the racist undertones related to his acting.
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Tropic Thunder is definitely a subversion, but here's a Mad TV sketch where a white actor plays a black character. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGaPTTotEMM Opopanax posted:You guys get that nobody is going to cart you off the gulag or anything for wearing blackface, right? You're not arguing for the right to dress up, because you have that right and always have; you're arguing that you should be able to do it consequence free. Go to comicon dressed as Al Jolson if you want, but expect that people will be angry and think you're an rear end in a top hat. It was just weird to me that this discussion arose from a discussion about why dressing up as a character from an old British kids telly show might be problematic.
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Opopanax posted:you're arguing that you should be able to do it consequence free. I'm arguing that it would be nice if white people stopped getting mad at other white people for wearing black makeup ITYOOL 2014. e: and my shitposting ends here SpaceGoatFarts has a new favorite as of 15:40 on Oct 17, 2014 |
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Honore_De_Balzac posted:I just have to say that if you are offended by blackface then you should also be offended when a person dresses as, for example, mishon (sp) they wear a dread lock wig. They both aren't natural to your genetics. Everyone has posted about most of this conversation but I wanted to comment on this. Are you loving stupid? Do you think black people come out the womb with dreads? Pretty much anyone of any race can have dreads, especially if they have coarse hair. A person who isn't black having dreads is not anything like black face. What the gently caress is wrong with you. For the record, I think dress up as whoever you want no matter the race of the character and how much it contrasts with yours.
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mind the walrus posted:I actually like this a lot because it's spot on, but you do know that White Nick Fury was a thing long before Black Nick Fury right? The character has been white and around since WWII comics when he led the "Howling Commandos." I did, but it slipped my mind when I went searching through my brain for "a popular black character with some distinguishing features beyond 'being black'". I don't think blackface is going to stop being offensive in my lifetime. America (and the rest of the goddamn world) still has so many issues with racism that I don't think the connotations and implications of blackface will go away until the underlying racial issues do, and that is so far from happening that I may as well wish for an X-wing. poo poo, the X-wing will probably get here first.
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WaterIsPoison posted:To be honest, I think it's a bit different for Tropic Thunder since the context is clearly about an actor deliberately wearing blackface and the racist undertones related to his acting. Indeed. They make a point that this guy is a clueless idiot. He's called out by the actual black guy on the cast for being a gigantic loving moron. See : "What do you mean 'you people'?"
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# ? Oct 17, 2014 16:19 |
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Oh wow look at all these super awesome cosplays Shoko and Jerome Cosplay are my favorite cosplay team, their poo poo is unreal.
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Opopanax posted:You guys get that nobody is going to cart you off the gulag or anything for wearing blackface, right? You're not arguing for the right to dress up, because you have that right and always have; you're arguing that you should be able to do it consequence free. Go to comicon dressed as Al Jolson if you want, but expect that people will be angry and think you're an rear end in a top hat. If you cannot distinguish "Freedom of speech" and "speech that is consequence free" please move to a sea stead, contract a curable disease, the perish from previously mentioned disease ASAP
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Moved over to the Cosplay Creation thread — thanks!
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cool kids inc. posted:Indeed. They make a point that this guy is a clueless idiot. He's called out by the actual black guy on the cast for being a gigantic loving moron. See : "What do you mean 'you people'?" please do not bring context into discussions about racism, it is very much uncalled for and unneeded
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Hecuba posted:Is this the right place to ask for cosplay assistance? If not, let me know and I’ll delete. We actually have a build thread here! http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3473045 Join us!! And here are some more badass cosplays! Lightning Cosplay Enayla Cosplay
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McPantserton posted:And here are some more badass cosplays! Isn't Lightning the character from a Final Fantasy game? That's Magda(??) from Diablo 3, a boss from the second act of the game.
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Spudd posted:Isn't Lightning the character from a Final Fantasy game? That's Magda(??) from Diablo 3, a boss from the second act of the game. Yeah, the cosplayer's page name is Lightning Cosplay. https://www.facebook.com/LightningCos?ref=br_tf
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McPantserton posted:Yeah, the cosplayer's page name is Lightning Cosplay. https://www.facebook.com/LightningCos?ref=br_tf Oh. That's confusing.
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Spudd posted:Oh. My group goes by the Foam Corps but we don't really use foam much anymore.
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Thinking about getting out the ww2 gear to go watch Fury. Now I know people do that for scifi movies but is it just dumb/offensive for historical war movies? It's a pretty detailed setup with some real stuff.
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LingcodKilla posted:Thinking about getting out the ww2 gear to go watch Fury. Now I know people do that for scifi movies but is it just dumb/offensive for historical war movies? I would do it, but my WW2 portrayals are British and Russian, so it'd be odd. Although I bet most people wouldn't even notice. Basically, dude, go for it!
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LingcodKilla posted:Thinking about getting out the ww2 gear to go watch Fury. Now I know people do that for scifi movies but is it just dumb/offensive for historical war movies? As long as you're not wearing any medals, you should be fine from my experience.
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Colonial Air Force posted:I would do it, but my WW2 portrayals are British and Russian, so it'd be odd. Although I bet most people wouldn't even notice. Going to wear my jeep cap instead of the helmet I think. Don't even have any insignia due to OPSEC. It's a dday rig.
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# ? Oct 17, 2014 17:28 |
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Wow, a bunch of new posts in the cosplay thread, there must have been a big con or something. This is gonna be great! ... Oh.
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Psychobabble! posted:Everyone has posted about most of this conversation but I wanted to comment on this. Are you loving stupid? Do you think black people come out the womb with dreads? Pretty much anyone of any race can have dreads, especially if they have coarse hair. A person who isn't black having dreads is not anything like black face. What the gently caress is wrong with you. Nope not stupid. It was a rough example that I made at three in the morning with other things on my mind. I know this is SA, but you people dont have to be such dicks all the time. And some of your reactions are pretty laughable. "You can't dress as someone of another race, even if you keep you costume to clothing items." Ya, OK! How about this. If a white boy with bright blonde hair wants to dress up as afro samurai, and wears a black afro wig. Is this offensive? It isn't his natural hair color, and he is using it to depict someone clearly of another race. Im sure you could find many examples of old racist with big red lips and a fro. I'll admit that hair can be altered more easily to look many different ways, but I dont see the difference when speaking purely on cosplay. Or how about when a white woman puts on fake tanner to make herself a darker shade she couldn't naturally achieve. Is that offensive? She is wearing a skin tone that isnt natural to her, but is for many others. This is imo a very close example to a cosplayer respectfully dressing up as someone of another race. This example lady is wearing her new shade with pride, while not using it to humiliate or shame others. She actively wants this to be how others see her. Any form of makeup that alters your tone falls in this area too. Even if only to a minor degree. You could even go the opposite way when someone puts on a lighter shade for the same purpose. You are depicting yourself as something you are not, while there are other actual humans who do look that way. The only reason Blackface is so taboo is because actual racists used it to further hate and ignorance. While a cosplay is used to embrace and celebrate. Maybe we arent in the right place as a society yet. Racisim is very much alive and well in America and around the world. I personally will never use makeup to alter my skin tone, nor am I advocating for others to do so. I think that this total opposition without questioning why it is this way furthers the legacy of an old racist society by demonizing something that by itself shouldn't be offensive. People should spend their energy where actual racism lives, rather than shaming some teens for dressing as their favorite fantasy character. But I'm done riding this derail. This isn't very important to my daily life, and I am just here to look at cool costumes. Please, dont be an rear end, and post pictures of modern day blackface or anything else your little minds can come up with. This isn't me advocating anything. This me trying to have a reasonable discussion on the thought process of society. This is definitely not the thread, and will be all I say.
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Use any loving costume or wig you want. Just don't change your skin color. That's literally it. How loving hard is that?
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Honore_De_Balzac posted:Nope not stupid. It was a rough example that I made at three in the morning with other things on my mind. I know this is SA, but you people dont have to be such dicks all the time. And some of your reactions are pretty laughable. "You can't dress as someone of another race, even if you keep you costume to clothing items." Ya, OK! Alouicious posted:really i just wanna know why whenever you tell a white guy why they shouldn't do a thing they write an essay about why they should totally be allowed to do that thing
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LingcodKilla posted:Thinking about getting out the ww2 gear to go watch Fury. Now I know people do that for scifi movies but is it just dumb/offensive for historical war movies?
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Holy gently caress, these are great!
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Honore_De_Balzac posted:Nope not stupid. It was a rough example that I made at three in the morning with other things on my mind. I know this is SA, but you people dont have to be such dicks all the time. And some of your reactions are pretty laughable. "You can't dress as someone of another race, even if you keep you costume to clothing items." Ya, OK! How many of you railing for consequence free racist cosplay are white? 100%? 99%? This is SA so chances are we have some weaboo version of self hating brown person Pecos bill but aside from the single possible outlier like him I am willing to bet that 100% or slightly less of the "blackface isn't racist anymore it's 2014 gawd" crowd is either white or a that one weird rich, spoiled, idiot person of color.
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PleasantDirge posted:How many of you railing for consequence free racist cosplay are white? 100%? 99%? This is SA so chances are we have some weaboo version of self hating brown person Pecos bill but aside from the single possible outlier like him I am willing to bet that 100% or slightly less of the "blackface isn't racist anymore it's 2014 gawd" crowd is either white or a that one weird rich, spoiled, idiot person of color. Please prefix all posts with the hex value of your skin tone, thx in advance.
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Rogue 7 posted:Use any loving costume or wig you want. Just don't change your skin color. Basically this, and I don't understand why that is a hard concept for some people.
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Exemptions made for Oompa Loompas and alien races. Get your Klingon on!
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Wax Dynasty posted:Please prefix all posts with the hex value of your skin tone, thx in advance. You're right! Race is not a factor here! I'm the real racist for bringing it up right?
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Post people in costumes you loving noobs
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PleasantDirge posted:How many of you railing for consequence free racist cosplay are white? 100%? 99%? This is SA so chances are we have some weaboo version of self hating brown person Pecos bill but aside from the single possible outlier like him I am willing to bet that 100% or slightly less of the "blackface isn't racist anymore it's 2014 gawd" crowd is either white or a that one weird rich, spoiled, idiot person of color. Likewise, how many of you pissing and moaning about being "offended" by it are white? 100% 99%? How about we stop presuming altogether what other ethnic groups may or may not find offensive about a loving cosplay. Especially on the internet; gently caress.
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Cheesemaster200 posted:Likewise, how many of you pissing and moaning about being "offended" by it are white? 100% 99%? How about we stop presuming altogether what other ethnic groups may or may not find offensive about a loving cosplay. Oh poo poo! You DO have to be black to find blackface distasteful! Good to know!
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Cheesemaster200 posted:Likewise, how many of you pissing and moaning about being "offended" by it are white? 100% 99%? How about we stop presuming altogether what other ethnic groups may or may not find offensive about a loving cosplay. I'm Asian. Yellowface would be just as offensive, gently caress you. Luckily people cosplaying Asian characters don't feel the need to change their skin color for some reason! Tarezax has a new favorite as of 00:56 on Oct 18, 2014 |
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i routinely go out in blue face. gently caress smurfs
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Tarezax posted:I'm Asian. Yellowface would be just as offensive, gently caress you. Well have you watched an anime lately? Without stretching their eyes to the side like a racist caricature, people don't see a need to change how they look aside from mimicking the outfit and hair. Which, is basically what has been the argument here that you shouldn't really need to? I mean, if you wanna be an Oompa Loompa or Snookie go ahead and give yourself an orange coloring that'd give people their daily dose of vitamin D just by standing next to them. But don't do blackface. Really, just don't do racist things! Have a picture so I won't be absolutely insufferable.
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Tarezax posted:I'm Asian. Yellowface would be just as offensive, gently caress you. quote:Oh poo poo! You DO have to be black to find blackface distasteful! Good to know!
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