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What is being argued about? I'm only seeing about 1/3 of the posts on this page. My tendency is agree with Snowden because he's not one of the posters I have on ignore and I think he ran a nuclear sub in the military.
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n8r posted:What is being argued about? I'm only seeing about 1/3 of the posts on this page. My tendency is agree with Snowden because he's not one of the posters I have on ignore and I think he ran a nuclear sub in the military. Something about whether or not mapping an ecu differently for each cylinder is a thing that works or not. Slavvy posted:This is the pot calling the kettle a black gay hitler jew. 
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Oct 13, 2014 10:10
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BlackMK4 posted:
Dang, that's way more than I thought possible.
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Oct 13, 2014 11:17
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BlackMK4 posted:The stock ECU closes the secondary throttle plates
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Oct 13, 2014 15:03
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You have two butterflies in every throttle, supposedly there to mimic the feel of the diaphragm and slide on a CV carb. They give improved throttle response and less bogging when the throttle is snapped open at low revs. At higher revs (4600rpm IIRC) they're held open and make no difference at all. The restriction is so tiny as to be insignificant, the shaft that the plate is mounted on is a bigger restriction than the plate itself, and yet lots of people all over the internet are removing theirs to "improve throttle response".
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Oct 13, 2014 16:22
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Nidhg00670000 posted:At higher revs (4600rpm IIRC) they're held open and make no difference at all. The restriction is so tiny as to be insignificant, the shaft that the plate is mounted on is a bigger restriction than the plate itself, and yet lots of people all over the internet are removing theirs to "improve throttle response". A lot of the newer bikes start closing them at higher rpm, all the flashes disable this.
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Oct 13, 2014 16:50
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Nidhg00670000 posted:You have two butterflies in every throttle, supposedly there to mimic the feel of the diaphragm and slide on a CV carb. They give improved throttle response and less bogging when the throttle is snapped open at low revs. At higher revs (4600rpm IIRC) they're held open and make no difference at all. The restriction is so tiny as to be insignificant, the shaft that the plate is mounted on is a bigger restriction than the plate itself, and yet lots of people all over the internet are removing theirs to "improve throttle response". You remove them because sometimes the ECU will open the throttle more slowly for you, by using the secondary plates as a restrictor. You hammer the throttle open, but the bike decides you only get full throttle a second later than it could. Also, oftentimes they have a hand in helping pass emissions at low RPM by adjusting airflow, leading to surging and other annoying, inconsistent behavior. Fly by wire when done right is amazing (1190 and 1290 have the best fueling, stock, of any bike I've ever ridden), but there's a lot of places you can dick it up and there was an awkward transitional phase with stuff like extra butterflies.
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Oct 13, 2014 17:06
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EFI SV650's have those. I shudder to imagine what low-rev response would be like without them on that bike.
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Oct 13, 2014 18:39
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My Buell has different front/rear maps stock, and that's with one throttle body for both cylinders. Edit: Though if Buell does it and others don't, perhaps that means it's actually a bad idea?
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n8r posted:What is being argued about? I'm only seeing about 1/3 of the posts on this page. My tendency is agree with Snowden because he's not one of the posters I have on ignore and I think he ran a nuclear sub in the military. I don't think a nuclear fueled turbine has all that much in common with a gas burning engine though
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Oct 13, 2014 21:13
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notZaar posted:I don't think a nuclear fueled turbine has all that much in common with a gas burning engine though The turbine isn't "fueled" by anything. The nuclear reactor heats water into steam, which is what turns the turbine.  Sorry.
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Oct 13, 2014 21:47
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sofullofhate posted:The turbine isn't "fueled" by anything. The nuclear reactor heats water into steam, which is what turns the turbine. If you had a turbine that was turning too fast would you suggest slowing the turbine or under damping the turbine? I'm curious which is the correct terminology. Please make your response in multiple paragraph form with incomprehensible graphs that have no defined scaling. TIA
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Oct 14, 2014 01:22
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Someone should damp n8rs oscillating on this subject, lest he blow his valving.
Z3n fucked around with this message at 02:14 on Oct 14, 2014 |
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Oct 14, 2014 01:51
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Since we're on the subject, "dampen" means make something wet/damp. Damping is used with mechanical and electronic systems. 
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Deeters posted:Since we're on the subject, "dampen" means make something wet/damp. Damping is used with mechanical and electronic systems. English is the worst.
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Oct 14, 2014 02:14
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After reading this I noticed this is the thread where we post pictures of motorcycles rather than the chatting or stupid motorcycle poo poo thread. So. Here's a pic. Hint, I'm the blurry guy in the back. 
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sofullofhate posted:The turbine isn't "fueled" by anything. The nuclear reactor heats water into steam, which is what turns the turbine. Could be a gas turbine you turbonerd
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Oct 14, 2014 03:31
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notZaar posted:Could be a gas turbine you turbonerd Superheated steam is a gas, so you're both right 
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High Protein posted:My Buell has different front/rear maps stock, and that's with one throttle body for both cylinders. In this case there really is a huge difference in front and rear cylinder temps and coolant (air) flow. What kills me is you'd think the rear should be trimmed richer, but that's the one that has to run at stoich because they put the lambda sensor back there.
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n8r posted:If you had a turbine that was turning too fast would you suggest slowing the turbine or under damping the turbine? I'm curious which is the correct terminology. Please make your response in multiple paragraph form with incomprehensible graphs that have no defined scaling. If I had a turbine that was going too fast I'd slow it. If my control that slowed the turbine overshot then oscillated around the setpoint for a bit before setting to the new speed, I'd add damping, since it's underdamped. If my condenser line popped and shot water everywhere, I'd get a towel, because now it's overdampened. These three terms can all be used in forks, as they control fundamentally different things. Springs control speed. Valving and oil weight control damping. Fork seals control dampening.
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Oct 15, 2014 17:41
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I bought a thing.   #178 of 300. Holy poo poo it's powerful. 
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Oct 16, 2014 00:41
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Goddamn you to HELL! I wonder when I'll be able to afford a zx14 (hint: never)?
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Oct 16, 2014 00:43
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deliverator posted:I bought a thing. oh yes Also goddamn, that exhaust cannon
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Oct 16, 2014 00:45
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Lots of us joining team green this last month! I LOVE that anniversary livery!
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Oct 16, 2014 02:51
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deliverator posted:I bought a thing. Very nice. Of course, even with that generous wheelbase, I just know someone's going to buy #179, kick the back wheel out another 24 inches, and force me to claw my eyes out.
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Oct 16, 2014 03:21
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deliverator posted:I bought a thing. Eh, the red isn't that great a color for it.  I'm jealous, that looks incredible.
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Oct 16, 2014 04:28
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deliverator posted:I bought a thing. Good username/post combo.
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Oct 16, 2014 04:54
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Z3n posted:Good username/post combo. If Hiro Protagonist had a motorbike it would undoubtedly be a ZX14 or busa.
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Oct 16, 2014 06:55
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Oh, nice bike. Can we get a report once you've had some time on it? I'm looking at getting one in the next few months.
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Oct 16, 2014 08:56
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That's a loving rad colorway.
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Oct 16, 2014 18:29
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I knew I'd seen that color combination before and it's been bugging me all morning, but now I remember:
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Slavvy posted:Goddamn you to HELL! Yeah I don't know if I can afford it either. The cost of comprehensive insurance on this sumbitch would blow your mind.
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quote:Oh, nice bike. Can we get a report once you've had some time on it? I'm looking at getting one in the next few months. TRIP REPORT. Okay. After a day of ownership I can offer some thoughts. My motorcycling history may provide some context. My bikes have been steadily going up in displacement over the years, like your mom. I started on a Ninja 250; then an ER6N (naked Ninja 650); then a VFR800; then a ZX-10R; then a Triumph Tiger 1050; and finally a Speed Triple 1050. I had hoped the Triple would be the perfect combo of comfort and power, but alas, it was not to be. By the time I got chumped on the trade-in value, I was ready to give the loving thing away. British motorcycle ownership should include a mandatory seminar in costly maintenance, parts unavailability, electrical gremlin diagnostics, and coping behavior. ANYWAY, I’ve owned a variety of bikes, and I ride every day that I’m not waiting for clutch parts to arrive via parcel owl or steam locomotive or however the gently caress Triumph ships things from their foggy little mud puddle of an island, and I wanted something powerful, comfortable, reliable, and badass. So here we are. The ZX14R is surprisingly easy to ride (like your m-- crap, I already made that joke). It’s very imposing, with that glowering headlight cluster looking like a cross between a tarantula and Clint Eastwood, and you should absolutely respect what it’s capable of, but it will only go into hyperdrive when you intend to. Do you feel lucky, punk? Well, it’s tolerant of somewhat sloppy riding technique. The throttle is great and I look forward to using more than half of it, preferably on an empty runway. The shifting is solid and definitive without being clunky (something my other Kawi bikes could not claim). This is my first hydraulic clutch and now I see why they’re usually only on high-end bikes: it’s loving luxurious. The mirrors are very slightly convex and you can see plenty beyond your own elbows. The seat is wide with just the right taper and incline. I’ll still probably put my old-man bead-curtain seat thing on it. The dash gives way too much information to take in at a glance. It also scowls at you when you fire it up. At least the TC and Power Modes are pretty intuitive. I had greatly missed having a gear indicator on my Triumphs, but I’d also gotten used to their digital speedometers. Oh well. Now I have an analog speedo that goes to 180 and beyond. The engine is often likened to some kind of jet turbine, and it’s a fair comparison. The acceleration really just has to be experienced to be understood. If you’ve ridden a modern literbike you’ll be familiar with having more power than you could ever use in public – now add another 40% or so. The entire rev range is powerband. There’s acceleration available everywhere. It’s pretty awesome. Handling-wise, it sounds like a porky bike on paper but it feels light and eager to respond. I was concerned the wheelbase would be difficult to adapt to; I have a tendency to apex really late in turns because as a city commuter, I like to see what kind of urban bullshit I’m getting into before I commit to my turns. I needn’t have worried. If anything the 14R seems better able to manage whatever mid-corner crap Seattle DOT has devised. (For a city famed for its constant rainfall you’d think they wouldn’t fill the streets with slippery gratings and manholes and obsolete train tracks, but what do I know?) Usually as soon as I get a bike I start accessorizing and swapping out parts, but this one is probably going to be left fairly stock. Obviously I don’t need to coax a few more horsies out of the engine, and the ergonomics are just about perfect for me (5-11, 30ish inseam). It’s nice not to have to change anything on a brand-new bike for once. In short, if you’re thinking about one, go get one and you won’t be sorry.
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notZaar posted:I knew I'd seen that color combination before and it's been bugging me all morning, but now I remember: 
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Oct 17, 2014 04:50
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I love the smell of the steam off of a fresh brew
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Oct 17, 2014 06:24
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deliverator posted:TRIP REPORT. Awesome. Thanks.
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Nitramster posted:Lots of us joining team green this last month! Hell yeah son! 
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:Hell yeah son! Noone wants to see your ugly BIKE Jim. GOD. Something something edgy.
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Slavvy posted:Noone wants to see your ugly BIKE Jim. GOD. Something something edgy. I cannot escape the versys hatred 
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