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MadSparkle posted:I'm really, really missing Lily Rabe this season. It's like a phantom pain. I want her being all fabulous and showing up. Seriously. It's horrible but I hope her show fails so she'll be back next season. She loving sold her character in season 1 and she's been as awesome sense.
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Edmund Lava posted:I was thinking theater earlier too. But are there any real theater horror tropes outside of Phantom of the Opera? Not particularly, but there are a lot of theatre superstitions, which might be interesting to explore. Actors can be a superstitious bunch.
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Coconut Indian posted:What if the next season is prison themed? Episode one we see the two kids become imprisoned and in episode two we had Meep. Not to mention that a lot of clues have been in the music choices, and Sarah Paulson literally sang "Criminal" in the last episode. I feel like a prison setting might tend a little too close to Asylum, especially with the themes of powerlessness and whatnot, but it could still be cool. I just have no idea what paranormal thing they would do in a prison that hasn't been outright denied by Murphy or that they haven't already done. Maybe it will be a heartwarming story about a group of prisoners in Washington state's most notorious maximum security correctional facility who start a theater troupe in an attempt to fight the odds and produce something beautiful in the cynical and twisted world of the American prison system. The only person in the prison who believes in them is the theater director, who turns out to be none other than...Bigfoot! Also the warden is heavily implied to be a centaur. American Horror Story Season 5: Lockdown e: Ryan Murphy I accept paypal.
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Chris James 2 posted:Maybe there'll be a western spinoff. There's already going to be a true crime spinoff That actually sounds like a cool concept.
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I get that I'm not going to convince anyone this season is terrible, even though it is, but how is the soundtrack not driving anyone crazy, or the loving setting. It's impossible to grasp what year this is all taking place in and the mixtures of the times are so jarring it's confusing. Power of Pecota posted:Yeah, I think people are reaching for plot holes so far They're not holes, they convenient plot devices that pop up through and through. The character motivations make no sense and don't work with the acting, plus the badge hiding thing was horrific writing. In fact what prison is there where you drop off a person and they just beat the poo poo out of them for no reason and then have the body and drag it back out uUUUHHGGGG. At least with the other 4 seasons I could wrap my brain around the super natural elements which helped drive the plot, but this season is supposed to be more grounded and it's way the gently caress more outrageous when it's supposed to be realistic!
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A. Beaverhausen posted:Yeah, I know, but the black hermaphrodite really doesn't have room to talk in that time period. That scene was so stupid and political. I knew the writer was gay as soon as I heard that line. No black person in the 1950's south gives a gently caress a about gay people. They were to busy trying to stay out of trees. That line was a political agenda statement pure and simple. The implication was that gays were hated that even a black freak would look down on them, but being black was and still is 100 times more hardship than being gay. That line should have come out of Dells mouth, not Desiree. Other than that bullshit, I am really enjoying the this season so far. I love Chiklis and hope he sticks around until the end of the show. The only thing that kind of made me scrath my head, was why twisty just walked away without finishing off Dandy. I thought that was kind of weak.
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I think you guys are arguing about the minor things and missing the big question. How bad do you think Twisty smells? The smell alone from his rotting pumpkin mouth had to have made Dandy's mom pull over at least 4 times to puke or ride dog style head out the window. And what does he eat?
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The idea of the diner being the hint and speculation on a western, reminds me of the Badlands idea I came up with after Asylum ended - a desolate highway in the '70s leading to the beaches of California and splendor of Las Vegas, peppered with a greasy truck stop diner, voyeuristic motel, hippie/cult camp ala Manson, and a withered Indian reservation full of old spirits and youthful vengeance. Of course, I had also included a traveling circus/freak show, but that's off the table for obvious reasons (not that you necessarily need it; maybe include a biker gang as a plot point midway through instead.)Veskit posted:I get that I'm not going to convince anyone this season is terrible, even though it is, but how is the soundtrack not driving anyone crazy, or the loving setting. It's impossible to grasp what year this is all taking place in and the mixtures of the times are so jarring it's confusing. Because the anachronism is so blatant that it must be intentional for a future plot point. If it ends up there's nothing behind it beyond just wanting to include those songs, then yeah, I'd have to agree it's kinda dumb.
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4 The Cause posted:That scene was so stupid and political. I knew the writer was gay as soon as I heard that line. No black person in the 1950's south gives a gently caress a about gay people. They were to busy trying to stay out of trees. That line was a political agenda statement pure and simple. The implication was that gays were hated that even a black freak would look down on them, but being black was and still is 100 times more hardship than being gay. That line should have come out of Dells mouth, not Desiree. Other than that bullshit, I am really enjoying the this season so far. I love Chiklis and hope he sticks around until the end of the show. The only thing that kind of made me scrath my head, was why twisty just walked away without finishing off Dandy. I thought that was kind of weak. OK I would really argue the 100 times harder considering the rash of gay teen suicides a few years back, but this isn't the thread for that. I agree it would have made a lot more sense coming from Dell, but truth is until recently no one liked gay people, so while it's hypocritical, it's not out of place.
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Veskit posted:I get that I'm not going to convince anyone this season is terrible, even though it is, but how is the soundtrack not driving anyone crazy, or the loving setting. It's impossible to grasp what year this is all taking place in and the mixtures of the times are so jarring it's confusing. Except the only two anachronistic things that have happened so far were two songs being performed that did not exist in what we've been reminded in nearly every other scene is the early 1950s. I get that it's a goofy thing to do but you're being really hyperbolic about it. Sidebar: What if the Pepper we're seeing is actually the hyper-intelligent post-aliens Pepper from the end of season 2? We never did see the body, she just dies quietly offscreen, and if this show likes to do one thing, it's show us people dying. Maybe what really happened is that the aliens give her some sort of time-travel device, which is how she disappears from Briarcliff again, right under everyone's noses. Obviously the authorities want to make it look like they're turning the asylum back around after the scandal, so Pepper's mysterious disappearance gets swept under the rug. Meanwhile, Pepper swoops into present day Los Angeles to steal an ipod from a sad teenager named Violet (did we ever see it after she kills herself?) and then carts it back to 1952 for, as of yet, unknown reasons. Peps leaves it laying around and the freak show gets a hold of some futuretunes. Elsa falls in love with the twisted glamour of David Bowie (the last name connection is a bonus), and Fiona Apple's crooning reminds Dot of mama's lullabies, but with lyrics that are terrifyingly fitting for the recent events of her life. The signs were there the whole time, man.  Goddamn I hope none of this is correct. OmegaBR posted:The idea of the diner being the hint and speculation on a western, reminds me of the Badlands idea I came up with after Asylum ended - a desolate highway in the '70s leading to the beaches of California and splendor of Las Vegas, peppered with a greasy truck stop diner, voyeuristic motel, hippie/cult camp ala Manson, and a withered Indian reservation full of old spirits and youthful vengeance. Of course, I had also included a traveling circus/freak show, but that's off the table for obvious reasons (not that you necessarily need it; maybe include a biker gang as a plot point midway through instead.) I still love this idea. QuickbreathFinisher fucked around with this message at 06:49 on Oct 18, 2014 |
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I thought the creators already came out and said this pepper is the same one from asylum and this shows what happened before she was put into the asylum. I think i heard this from a video of an entertainment site talking about what they knew about the season so far. Isn't this setting before asylum?
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Mr. Kennedy posted:I thought the creators already came out and said this pepper is the same one from asylum and this shows what happened before she was put into the asylum. I think i heard this from a video of an entertainment site talking about what they knew about the season so far. Isn't this setting before asylum? Yeah it is. For what it's worth I read the same thing.
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Coconut Indian posted:Can someone give a run down of the clues in previous seasons that were about the later seasons? I know Season 2 had Black Magic Woman playing on the jukebox as a hint for Season 3 being witch/voodoo focused, can't speak for the other seasons though.
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Coconut Indian posted:Can someone give a run down of the clues in previous seasons that were about the later seasons? I believe there were several references toward the crazy house or sending someone to an asylum in season one. "I Put a Spell On You" was played in Asylum's jukebox by Sister Mary Eunice, hinting toward witches being the theme of Coven. Kyle and Zoe go to Florida and several German names were dropped toward the end of Coven, as hints toward details of Freak Show. That's all I can remember off the top of my head.
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4 The Cause posted:That scene was so stupid and political. I knew the writer was gay as soon as I heard that line. No black person in the 1950's south gives a gently caress a about gay people. They were to busy trying to stay out of trees. That line was a political agenda statement pure and simple. The implication was that gays were hated that even a black freak would look down on them, but being black was and still is 100 times more hardship than being gay. That line should have come out of Dells mouth, not Desiree. Other than that bullshit, I am really enjoying the this season so far. I love Chiklis and hope he sticks around until the end of the show. The only thing that kind of made me scrath my head, was why twisty just walked away without finishing off Dandy. I thought that was kind of weak. What are you talking about? The point of the line was that police aren't going to go out of their way to pursue someone who murdered a homosexual. She's right, gay men were "less than freaks". This is the time of popularly supported sodomy laws. Gay people were open targets for mob violence at the time. There's literally nothing wrong with that line. ps. the credited writer isn't gay
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Periodiko posted:What are you talking about? The point of the line was that police aren't going to go out of their way to pursue someone who murdered a homosexual. She's right, gay men were "less than freaks". This is the time of popularly supported sodomy laws. Gay people were open targets for mob violence at the time. There's literally nothing wrong with that line. You can pretend to be straight but you can't cheat a paper bag test. This is the dumbest argument. Yes it sucked to be gay but you weren't a giant blinking target walking down the street as a white man. It's not loving comparable. They are different circumstances and it was a lovely monologue and Murphy's track record on black issues is loving abysmal.
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Koalas March posted:You can pretend to be straight but you can't cheat a paper bag test. This is the dumbest argument. Yes it sucked to be gay but you weren't a giant blinking target walking down the street as a white man. It's not loving comparable. They are different circumstances and it was a lovely monologue and Murphy's track record on black issues is loving abysmal. What does that have to do with anything? Where is this "gay people are worse off than black people" subtext in a black character saying "we should be okay because the victim was a gay dude." She wasn't even the murderer, her white husband was! And this is even assuming she's correct and truthful within the context of the show, given that it takes place in a conversational context where they're reassuring a potential employer that the crime won't be a problem. What the hell. Periodiko fucked around with this message at 08:47 on Oct 18, 2014 |
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I have to agree with people complaining about the music choice. It's not enough for me to lose interest in the show, but having them do popular song covers from the future is just odd. Hell, even if they did a musical style from the future but was an original song, it would be much better, though that means doing extra work writing and composing the song. It definitely adds to the freak show itself, but meh. I hope this isn't in every episode.
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I'm sure it was mentioned in the first episode, but eff if I can remember. Do the people locked up by Twisty have names that were mentioned in-show? I've just been calling them lady and boy. I'm hoping they make it out safely/get saved by the freak show, but considering it's AHS...
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Gimp Fack posted:I have to agree with people complaining about the music choice. It's not enough for me to lose interest in the show, but having them do popular song covers from the future is just odd. Hell, even if they did a musical style from the future but was an original song, it would be much better, though that means doing extra work writing and composing the song. It definitely adds to the freak show itself, but meh. I hope this isn't in every episode. The music choices help establish that the 1950's setting that exists in the show isn't our 1950's. I'm confused by the amount of complaints about the show not being realistic when it's going out of its way to create an absurdist reality. The sets, cinematography, and music are not just thrown together for in this show. For the record, I feel weird defending it after how terrible last season ended up.
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4 The Cause posted:That scene was so stupid and political. I knew the writer was gay as soon as I heard that line. No black person in the 1950's south gives a gently caress a about gay people. They were to busy trying to stay out of trees. That line was a political agenda statement pure and simple. The implication was that gays were hated that even a black freak would look down on them, but being black was and still is 100 times more hardship than being gay. That line should have come out of Dells mouth, not Desiree. Other than that bullshit, I am really enjoying the this season so far. I love Chiklis and hope he sticks around until the end of the show. The only thing that kind of made me scrath my head, was why twisty just walked away without finishing off Dandy. I thought that was kind of weak. "There's no evidence that gay parents are worse than straight parents!  "Coconut Indian posted:Can someone give a run down of the clues in previous seasons that were about the later seasons? In season 1 Sarah Paulson's psychic character talked about how asylums tend to be places of high supernatural activity due to the anguish that occurred inside of them. Season 2 wound up being about asylums. Season 2 had Jessica Lange running around with a broom in the last episode. Season 3 would up being about witches. In season 3 they explicitly said the words "freak show" in the episode that Ryan Murphy said would have a hint about the next season.
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Tailored Sauce posted:Mind you this is the 1950s, were "serial clown killers" a thing back then? Surely now we see this and think, he's a killer, but put in the mindset of an upper class white woman in the 50s maybe something is different enough that it makes sense. Closest thing would be John Wayne Gacy as far as I can tell, but he did his stuff in the 70s. 
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I kind of liked the Fiona Apple cover and the mosh pit. I really liked Lange's Life On Mars cover - I know it's hokey but I kind of thought it was fabulous. Not sure that I mind at all that the songs aren't period appropriate. The show's always been all over the the place so it's not like it's a new thing for them to do this. I adore inappropriate musical numbers and got all excited with Lange's Name Game act during Asylum. I thought that poo poo was wonderful. I actually wish they would have extended the Fiona Apple song and really made it more weird, because Name Game went on for a while and sort of included a lot of the cast and the whole thing was so loving over-the-top batshit, I loved it. If you're going to go full tilt freak and inappropriate, own the poo poo out of it and go all the way. That's my biggest complaint about the Criminal cover - that it was very snippet short and felt like a preview as opposed to a whole number. Maybe they should have waited and done it later, because they had Life On Mars the previous episode with Lange looking all draggish and fab and just crazy sad, and that alone would've satiated me for several episodes.
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Koalas March posted:You can pretend to be straight but you can't cheat a paper bag test. This is the dumbest argument. Yes it sucked to be gay but you weren't a giant blinking target walking down the street as a white man. It's not loving comparable. They are different circumstances and it was a lovely monologue and Murphy's track record on black issues is loving abysmal. Not everyone can pretend to be straight, and being openly gay actually still is a "giant blinking walking target down the street". Please stop trying to turn this thread about a silly horror show into the adversity olympics. If you want to have an actual discussion about Murphy's track record on black issues, then go ahead. That actually is a discussion worth having. But you're not going to get anywhere when you try and argue, really out of nowhere, about how much better gay people as a whole have it than black people. ghostwritingduck posted:The music choices help establish that the 1950's setting that exists in the show isn't our 1950's. I'm confused by the amount of complaints about the show not being realistic when it's going out of its way to create an absurdist reality. The sets, cinematography, and music are not just thrown together for in this show. I don't know if it's meant to show that they are on an alternate timeline, but I agree that the complaints about the song choices are bewildering. They've never once said that they are being true to the era. This is a show about aliens, ghosts, witches, demons, and zombies. But how dare they feature a song that hadn't been written yet! LadyPictureShow posted:I'm sure it was mentioned in the first episode, but eff if I can remember. Do the people locked up by Twisty have names that were mentioned in-show? I've just been calling them lady and boy. I'm hoping they make it out safely/get saved by the freak show, but considering it's AHS... I'm pretty sure at least the names of the kidnapped boy's parents were mentioned in that radio broadcast in the first episode, but I don't recall if they mentioned his name. ghostwritingduck posted:For the record, I feel weird defending it after how terrible last season ended up. Yea, but given that each season is a complete reboot, I think it's safe to give each new one a chance. Last season was a serious misstep. This season seems better so far, so don't feel bad about defending it.
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It's kinda annoying that all of the characters are fairly unlikeable right now. I know that they're trying to be "darker", but I'm finding it hard to care for the characters.
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Periodiko posted:What are you talking about? The point of the line was that police aren't going to go out of their way to pursue someone who murdered a homosexual. She's right, gay men were "less than freaks". This is the time of popularly supported sodomy laws. Gay people were open targets for mob violence at the time. There's literally nothing wrong with that line. That is bullshit and revisionist history. Gays were not subject to mob violence like black people were . If you were a white man, even a fem, you could get away with having gay mannerisms as long as you did not show affection toward men in public, or admit that you were gay. My great grandmother would tell my mother stories about gay men. The Klan was full of closeted gay men. That's why they would often do sexual things to the black men they captured. It was a way of fitting in, and getting their nut off.
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Nihonniboku posted:Not everyone can pretend to be straight, and being openly gay actually still is a "giant blinking walking target down the street". Please stop trying to turn this thread about a silly horror show into the adversity olympics. If you want to have an actual discussion about Murphy's track record on black issues, then go ahead. That actually is a discussion worth having. But you're not going to get anywhere when you try and argue, really out of nowhere, about how much better gay people as a whole have it than black people. Yes they could. People didn't discuss and explore sexuality, like they do today. Look at Dandy, if he were walking around today in West Hollywood he would have guys all over him, but back than, he would just be seen as a eccentric and a stuck up rich guy. No one would accuse him of being gay. The rules of masculinity were different back than, and rich men were not expected to be as rough rear end blue collar guys. Like I said it's bullshit revisionist history and Ryan Murphy has a history of trying to make the point that gays have it worse than blacks. Even on Nip/Tuck when that white actor(Bradley Cooper) got caught saying human being, Oliver Platt's character said that if he was black, he could of got away with it. That's bullshit seeing as how Isaiah Washington's career was destroyed for saying it, and the gay community go's 1,000 times harder at black homophobes than they do white one's, because straight white men are worshiped in the gay community. They are the only community who worship and lust after their oppresors.
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4 The Cause posted:That is bullshit and revisionist history. Gays were not subject to mob violence like black people were . If you were a white man, even a fem, you could get away with having gay mannerisms as long as you did not show affection toward men in public, or admit that you were gay. Again, where is the subtext that is suggesting gay men have it worse or equal to black people? 4 The Cause posted:They are the only community who worship and lust after their oppresors. Oh, okay, you're just a raging homophobe, or pretending to be one. Cool. Periodiko fucked around with this message at 16:43 on Oct 18, 2014 |
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Periodiko posted:Again, where is the subtext that is suggesting gay men have it worse or equal to black people? It's true Dan Savage and other gay leaders have said the same thing. Read some of the threads on datalounge. Black men do it as well to an extent with white women, but a lot of those relationships are based on dominance and treating the girl like dirt in order to get back at white society as a whole.
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4 The Cause posted:Crazy bullshit Your posts are so full of inaccuracies, hearsay, homophobia, racism, and funny enough given your accusations, revisionist history. They're not even worth breaking down point by point, because someone like you is so blinded by your own hatred, that it's not actually possible to get through to you. Plus, this is not the appropriate place for it. This is a thread about a stupid tv show. Take your delusional rants elsewhere.
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Maxy Boy posted:Why can't people realise that this show is meant to be camp / nonsensical / illogical and that's why it's so enjoyable? Because it's possible to both be those things and tell a good story (seasons 1 and 2) but sometimes it's those things and doesn't (season 3).
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Maxy Boy posted:Why can't people realise that this show is meant to be camp / nonsensical / illogical and that's why it's so enjoyable? Right? I have no idea why people treat this show as some sort of actual hard hitting drama. Every season has been a different flavor of crazy, and for me, each one has had it's flaws and it's strong points (yes, even Coven). The complete reboot and tonal shift season to season is what makes it so appealing, to me. This has never been a show about telling a great, true to life story. Ever. It's always been about the show being as bizarre and gory and pretty as possible while still being on TV.
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Can I just say that, as a straight white male, I'm the most oppressed out of anyone? But seriously, there's weird horizontal hostility going on here that has nothing to do with the show.
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ThatPazuzu posted:Can I just say that, as a straight white male, I'm the most oppressed out of anyone? I know you are joking but this is how a a lot of gay white men think. They think being gay trumps everything else, because young white teens don't ape gay culture, like they do black. What they don't realize is that white's steal and ape everything, but that doesn't mean they love or respect the source it came from. Gay white men have it better than anyone except straight white men.
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