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Colonial Air Force posted:I was really waiting for the crew from Burn Notice to show up in Miami. Coulson would totally be Sam's Old S.H.I.E.L.D. Buddy who needed a favor
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DarklyDreaming posted:Coulson would totally be Sam's Old S.H.I.E.L.D. Buddy who needed a favor Nah, the show hasnt reverted to the status quo within 3 episodes of the season starting, burn notice characters wouldnt know how to cope with that.
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Phylodox posted:Gotham is the new Agents of SHIELD. This sounds right. What would Flash be?
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radlum posted:This sounds right. What would Flash be? Flash did what none of the others managed and hit the ground running from the first episode.
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Oct 19, 2014 01:42
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Regy Rusty posted:Flash did what none of the others managed and hit the ground running from the first episode. You have no idea I happy I was that he got the costume in the first episode, and may get his name by the fifth.
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I think The Flash kind of cheated a little bit, since it's a continuation of Arrow. It started off as strong as it did because it benefited from all the lessons they learned making two seasons of Arrow. To bring it back to a (slightly) more thread-appropriate topic, I hope that Marvel does the same and keeps in mind the lessons of Agents of SHIELD while making Daredevil. If that comes out of the gate as strong as The Flash it'd be amazing.
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Phylodox posted:I think The Flash kind of cheated a little bit, since it's a continuation of Arrow. It started off as strong as it did because it benefited from all the lessons they learned making two seasons of Arrow. I heard the footage of Daredevil they showed at the NY Comic Con killed.
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Oct 19, 2014 02:06
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mikeraskol posted:I heard the footage of Daredevil they showed at the NY Comic Con killed. I was there, and it totally did.
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Oct 19, 2014 02:15
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What was Fitz's logic for having the dumb non tech savvy guy help him fix that virus on the ship?
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Oct 19, 2014 03:14
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Timett posted:What was Fitz's logic for having the dumb non tech savvy guy help him fix that virus on the ship? The brain damage effected his motor skills so he couldn't mess with the wires without doing something wrong
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Oct 19, 2014 03:15
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DarklyDreaming posted:The brain damage effected his motor skills so he couldn't mess with the wires without doing something wrong I think he also said that the others we busy with other things, so that left Trainspotting...
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Oct 19, 2014 03:21
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Also all the smart people were busy repairing other parts of the bus.
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He literally says it is because Trainspotting is a technological idiot and as such he will have an easier time using him through simple instructions.
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He totally shot the dog, right? http://www.blastr.com/2014-9-23/exclusive-actor-brett-dalton-weighs-evil-grant-marvels-agents-shield
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Oct 19, 2014 04:23
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SoFarGone posted:He totally shot the dog, right? The dumb argument wasn't about whether Ward shot the dog or not. That was ambiguous. The dumb argument was because some people though for some dumb reason that Garrett shot the dog when it was clear that Ward was the one looking through the scope.
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Oct 19, 2014 05:14
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Deadpool posted:The dumb argument wasn't about whether Ward shot the dog or not. That was ambiguous. The dumb argument was because some people though for some dumb reason that Garrett shot the dog when it was clear that Ward was the one looking through the scope. But isn't the argument that if Ward didn't shoot the dog he isn't a complete psychopathic killer?
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Kraps posted:But isn't the argument that if Ward didn't shoot the dog he isn't a complete psychopathic killer? ... And season 2 has shown that he TOTALLY is. So can we stop with the dog crap already? he obviously shot it, just like he totally intended for Fitz and Simmons to die.
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Deadpool posted:The dumb argument wasn't about whether Ward shot the dog or not. That was ambiguous. The dumb argument was because some people though for some dumb reason that Garrett shot the dog when it was clear that Ward was the one looking through the scope. I don't know, people went nuts at me when I suggested that he hadn't shot the dog.
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Oct 19, 2014 05:35
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WarLocke posted:... And season 2 has shown that he TOTALLY is. Except he didn't, because an interview with Brett Dalton was literally just posted in which it was explicitly stated that he didn't. I agree that he intended to kill Fitzsimmons though.
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Oct 19, 2014 05:37
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Mokinokaro posted:In that it's pretty bad but shows potential if the writing improves? I agree. After the pilot I was at peace with Gotham being eternally terrible. I don't think it's a good show at all, and I still watch it, but it's not hatewatching, because I love how bad it is and don't feel like it's wasted potential. Yeah it coulda been a good show, but they decided to take things in a different direction artistically. The trashiness is in its DNA. This differs from Shield where they were trying to make a good show and it hurt me to watch them flail until they figured things out.
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Ward is an irredeemable psychotic murderer and I swear to god if the show puts him on a path to redemption I'll... type an angrily worded letter to the creators.
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Oct 19, 2014 05:42
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This is at heart a comic book show. Villains reform all the time in comics. Most of the time it's temporary but it still happens. I would be very surprised if they didn't try and do a storyline like that in the show.
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Deakul posted:Ward is an irredeemable psychotic murderer and I swear to god if the show puts him on a path to redemption I'll... type an angrily worded letter to the creators. I'm not keen to see a redemption arc either, but giving a villain a change of heart and becoming an anti hero who does good to amend for his sins is hardly unprecedented, especially in comic media. And a strong argument can be made that ward is a highly damaged person, formed through childhood abuse, neglect at the hands of the juvenile justice system, and then psychological conditioning at the hands of Garrett. He wasn't born evil.
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Yeah Ward's definitely getting at least some kind of semi-heroic redeeming moment, if not a whole arc. He's already taken the first step and accepted the fact that he did a bunch of really evil things and has no excuses or expects forgiveness for them. In TV terms that's like two scenes away from full-blown "Let me make up for my past" redemption.
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The Lord Bude posted:I'm not keen to see a redemption arc either, but giving a villain a change of heart and becoming an anti hero who does good to amend for his sins is hardly unprecedented, especially in comic media. I could totally forgive a redemption arc if Ward became the Punisher 
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Ward being redeemed is fine, Ward and Skye having any type of relationship would be hosed up as all hell
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Dexo posted:Ward being redeemed is fine, Ward and Skye having any type of relationship would be hosed up as all hell Definitely. I really don't want them going there. It was weird enough in buffy, it would be worse here.
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I think it'd be more interesting if the show went down the redemption route and showed that even if Ward has the willingness and opportunity to try and redeem himself, he won't get any forgiveness for his past misdeeds.
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It'd be great if he betrayed them again the second they actually trusted him enough to give him a chance to escape.
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Ward didn't give a poo poo about HYDRA, but he gave a poo poo about Garret. Given what we know about Ward's upbringing and what Garret did for him, this is understandable and you can sympathize with it. Garret took advantage of all that and made Ward do lovely things. Ward is at fault to a point, but from his perspective, he was nothing without Garret, and he couldn't just say "No, I'm going to not do these lovely things. I'm going to live my own life where I don't do lovely things." because that was either not an option for him, or he absolutely believed that was not an option for him. So I can accept Ward getting some redemption at some point. It's interesting that even though he's being kept in a cell right now, he's actually free for the first time in his life, as cheesy as that might sound.
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Jamesman posted:Ward didn't give a poo poo about HYDRA, but he gave a poo poo about Garret. Given what we know about Ward's upbringing and what Garret did for him, this is understandable and you can sympathize with it. Garret took advantage of all that and made Ward do lovely things. Ward is at fault to a point, but from his perspective, he was nothing without Garret, and he couldn't just say "No, I'm going to not do these lovely things. I'm going to live my own life where I don't do lovely things." because that was either not an option for him, or he absolutely believed that was not an option for him. Do we know yet what was so lovely about Ward's upbringing? I remember some stuff about a well in season one, but I don't think they went into a ton of detail did they? Then Garret manipulated Ward by breaking him out of jail and leaving him alone in the woods for six months, followed by his time with shield.
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Ward's older brother regularly beat him, and one time put Ward's younger brother in a well. Ward wanted to pull him out, but Ward's older brother wouldn't let him. The younger brother might have died. This was blamed on Ward, because the older brother is The Good Son, and Ward was sent to military camp. He escaped to try and kill his brother and burned down their house(that also might have been his older brother) but was unsuccessful.
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VDay posted:Yeah Ward's definitely getting at least some kind of semi-heroic redeeming moment, if not a whole arc. I hope Ward does get redeemed and welcomed back to the team near the end of the season... only to then find out that he is 100% dedicated to Hydra, and is even better at running a long con on everyone than any of the other characters could have believed. Robot Hobo fucked around with this message at 15:56 on Oct 19, 2014 |
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Didn't we hear that Ward's older brother would be appearing this season, as some kind of prominent and well-loved political figure?
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My money's on it being Talbot. They've never met that we know of to prove or disprove, they seem similar to me, Talbot has that rear end in a top hat older brother vibe, and Coulson probably hasn't been like, "hey yo this traitorous dick is in our holding cell, you know him?" So, it could happen.
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They've already released promo pics of his brother and it's not a double-secret surprise identity of any other character.
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Dexo posted:Ward being redeemed is fine, Ward and Skye having any type of relationship would be hosed up as all hell Actually yeah, this would be my biggest issue more than him becoming Taskmaster or The Punisher. Him having any relationships with any of the main cast really, he should always be looked at with mistrust and uncertainty.
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Error 404 posted:My money's on it being Talbot. Talbot is more of an endearing tough-doof than really truly evil. The "TALBOT IS HYRDA" fake-out even seemed off to me before the reveal just because he doesn't have that vibe.
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I hope we get a scene where Talbot dramatically tears of his moustache to reveal he was actually X character all along. Preferably someone who looks completely different.
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