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Nintendo Kid posted:Oh I am soooo sorry I brought facts into a discussion instead of letting people flail around with faulty arguments. If you don't like dealing with mean old facts I hear mises.org will help you out. No one is angry about your "facts" you goddamn sperg, it's just that independent of whether you are right or wrong what you're talking about it really loving boring. PMs exist for a reason.
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Who What Now posted:No one is angry about your "facts" you goddamn sperg, it's just that independent of whether you are right or wrong what you're talking about it really loving boring. PMs exist for a reason. The only sperg here is you, friend. You're also super boring. Now stop filling the thread up with things that belong in PMs, according to you, k?
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Oct 19, 2014 20:58
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Haha, it's been awhile since I've seen someone go "no u  "
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Oct 19, 2014 21:11
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Actual arguments in this thread are way better than imagining how ancaps would solve X problem and then jerking off about how dumb the imagined solution is imo.
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Oct 19, 2014 21:17
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Kiwi Ghost Chips posted:Actual arguments in this thread are way better than imagining how ancaps would solve X problem and then jerking off about how dumb the imagined solution is imo. Concur.
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wateroverfire posted:Concur. Yeah you keep ignoring the actual idiots that show up and post nonsense so you can smugly shout "strawman!" On the other hand I'm not sure strawmanning libertarians is even possible when you've got people like Hoppe around.
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QuarkJets posted:That really isn't his argument, stop it fishmech I don't have any idea what he's trying to argue with me over, but apparently, he disagrees and he's not going to let pesky things like facts gets in his way of trying to prove me wrong. Since I have better things to do, I'm more than happy to let him have this delusion.
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You posted some unfactual bullshit, don't get upset when you're corrected. We don't play praexology here. To be specific you claimed no pushes were made for AM Stereo until the 80s, which was false. You claimed that it could have been viable at any point past the 70s, which was also false (since the massive consolidation of American population into FM radio service contour-compatible areas was already well underway). You claimed that it would have been successful if someone set a standard - also bogus because the inherent low fidelity of any analog system without changing the bandplan would have rendered it an amusing novelty for people living out in rural areas, rather than a serious competitor to FM. And so on. No matter when AM stereo was invented, the inherent benefits of FM radio relegates it to be irrelevant by our current times. Nintendo Kid fucked around with this message at 22:57 on Oct 19, 2014 |
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^^^^^^^^^^ That's right, Sport, you did it. It's you, you are the star. _________________ Kiwi Ghost Chips posted:Actual arguments in this thread are way better than imagining how ancaps would solve X problem and then jerking off about how dumb the imagined solution is imo. wateroverfire posted:Concur. Have either of you even read a single post prior to page 50?
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Who What Now posted:^^^^^^^^^^ Have you read a single post in this thread at all?
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Oct 19, 2014 22:56
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All of them but yours. So yes, all the good ones.
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Who What Now posted:All of them but yours. So yes, all the good ones. You clearly haven't, all you've done is whine.
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I don't think you quite know what "read" means. But you keep trying, slugger, you're bound to get a real burn someday.
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 *dips finger in poop, applies poop war paint to cheeks and forehead*
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Who What Now posted:I don't think you quite know what "read" means. But you keep trying, slugger, you're bound to get a real burn someday. You sure haven't ever.
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Oct 19, 2014 23:09
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Nintendo Kid posted:You sure haven't ever. Calm down. Please.
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How much ownership of fat America belongs to McDonalds board members? Like what's the actual poundage of my fat wife that belongs to a franchise owner? Clearly, some level of labor mixing is occurring between the two.
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Kiwi Ghost Chips posted:Actual arguments in this thread are way better than imagining how ancaps would solve X problem and then jerking off about how dumb the imagined solution is imo. Not quite what I predicted, but close enough: QuarkJets posted:If this thread's usual cycle continues repeating, we should expect to see some libertarians or possibly just conservatives showing up soon to state: "look at all of you libtards arguing against ancap libertarians, you're too dumb to realize that ancap isn't the only brand of libertarianism Actually, saying that we're "imagining" how ancaps would solve X problem is even worse because we're just paraphrasing things that jrodefeld has posted
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It's interesting to see you accuse a communist of being a libertarian or conservative there, QuarkJets.
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Nintendo Kid posted:It's interesting to see you accuse a communist of being a libertarian or conservative there, QuarkJets. He's talking bout KGC, who is a neoliberal.
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Nintendo Kid posted:It's interesting to see you accuse a communist of being a libertarian or conservative there, QuarkJets. God drat fishmech, learn how to read: QuarkJets posted:Not quite what I predicted
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Can someone finally fill me in what or who "fishmech" is?
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Oct 20, 2014 08:39
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Fishmech is Nintendo Kid's old account, which was famous for doing exactly this a lot.
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With no state to provide education and presumably unable to create child labour laws, how would Nozick respond to the challenge that a minimal state would simply devolve back into a state of feudalism? As education would have to be paid for, it follows that the poor would have to take the cheapest option possible, but then those with other disadvantages (such as a disabled sibling/parent) may find it impossible to simply afford education in the first place. While charities would be able to provide some support through scholarships, it is surely utopianism in the highest degree to assume that they would be able to provide for all children of low income that would arise in a society with a nearly totally free market.
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Who What Now posted:Have either of you even read a single post prior to page 50? This thread was an abortion long before 50, but once all the people who might conceivably argue the other side went away it somehow kept going and got worse. Wild dogs fighting over road kill have produced more stimulating debate than the last 23 pages of this thread (with the exception of the unrelated and kind of spergy but at least interesting AM/FM derail going on right now). edit: 23 pages, I guess. Barely.
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wateroverfire posted:This thread was an abortion long before 50, but once all the people who might conceivably argue the other side went away it somehow kept going and got worse. Wild dogs fighting over road kill have produced more stimulating debate than the last 23 pages of this thread If you hate this thread so much you could go away. But that would improve the thread and you'd be enticed to stay. That's some catch, that catch-22. The best there is.
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VitalSigns posted:He's talking bout KGC, who is a neoliberal. No, she's a literal card carrying communist. Well, card carrying Party for Socialism and Liberation member, but they're marxist-leninist as all hell. Whorelord posted:With no state to provide education and presumably unable to create child labour laws, how would Nozick respond to the challenge that a minimal state would simply devolve back into a state of feudalism? Nozick does not believe "devolving back to feudalism" is a bad thing, rather he sees feudal relations minus having a King at the very top as close to ideal. This is what you need to understand about hardcore libertarian "philosophers" in general. And you could even convince them having kings are good, once the Rightful Land Owners who have taken their fair land and graciously enfeoffed workers on them decide they want someone they can trust. After all, the English word "King" comes from an Old English word that originally meant "rich, wealthy, powerful". Nintendo Kid fucked around with this message at 14:20 on Oct 20, 2014 |
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Nintendo Kid posted:No, she's a literal card carrying communist. Well, card carrying Party for Socialism and Liberation member, but they're marxist-leninist as all hell. Oh then I had her confused with someone else. My bad! VVVVVVVVVV You just don't contribute anything, you just show up, complain we're strawmanning, we post ancap quotes of the exact position we're attacking, and you go "Oh well I'm not interested in defending ancaps  "Your posts are the worst post in this thread because all you do is whine about how you don't like the conversation. Now you made me post an even worse post, look what you did. VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 14:50 on Oct 20, 2014 |
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VitalSigns posted:If you hate this thread so much you could go away. But that would improve the thread and you'd be enticed to stay. Peak D&D right here. "If you don't like our echo chamber go away and the echo chamber will be better!" 
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Yeah we must be real navel-gazers, thinking that getting rid of a stealth ancap who loves to sniff Pinochet's cape would improve the thread.
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VitalSigns posted:You just don't contribute anything Sure I do. But the thread has devolved into you guys jerking each other off and smugly posing loaded questions directed at the bros who already agree with you, mixed with a lot of "Ancaps amirite?  ", so there's not much to contribute. You've been attacking undefended positions ever since Jrod decided his work was done and went away.
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wateroverfire posted:Sure I do. But the thread has devolved into you guys jerking each other off and smugly posing loaded questions directed at the bros who already agree with you, mixed with a lot of "Ancaps amirite? So present us with new ones.
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wateroverfire isn't an ancap, he's a walking Just World Fallacy.
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wateroverfire posted:Sure I do. But the thread has devolved into you guys jerking each other off to be fair the circlejerk is a more practical and useful institution than most forms of libertarianism the circlejerk gives us Phillip Roth novels, for instance.
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PupsOfWar posted:to be fair the circlejerk is a more practical and useful institution than most forms of libertarianism
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Just to throw a bone out, here's the latest video by an up-and-coming libertarian media company critiquing Hollywood economics. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6AndrSAkaSw&feature=share From what I can tell it's mostly an unknown comedian tossing out straw men arguments, but these are the same dudes who did the Keynes/Hayek rap videos.
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VitalSigns posted:lt's a voluntary value-for-value trade to the mutual benefit of all parties which creates wealth and bestows a surplus upon all participants. lol. Any actual an cap try to explain how libertopia will educate its children as well or better than our lovely state does? I check in every now and then and I want to see how the real an cap answer is better than these foul straw men that non an-caps put up when they quote libertarian celebrities.
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wateroverfire posted:Sure I do. But the thread has devolved into you guys jerking each other off and smugly posing loaded questions directed at the bros who already agree with you, mixed with a lot of "Ancaps amirite? *claims to provide content to the discussion while providing no content to the discussion*
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McAlister posted:lol. The funny thing is these videos are actually well done enough that he almost seems reasonable. His points are *this* close to actually being convincing, and no doubt would be if I didn't have a lot of previous experience to know that he was wrong. His whole spiel about raising quality of living as an example, rings true for a lot of people until you realize that it isn't necessarily capitalism, but industrialisation/whatever you call the digital age, that is driving this development. Russia had the same quality of life improvements during its years as the USSR, frankly with astonishing growth though at a great cost to human life, because the driving force behind all of this is industrialization itself and the benefits that brings. That and he totally misses the point of Elysium. Elysium is just the current situation taken to ridiculous extremes, with a floating space station instead of walled compounds, Robot armies instead of private security and magical healing beds instead of the best medical care that doctors can provide. His joke at the beginning falls so incredibly flat with me, because the US medical system can and will tell you to get hosed if you have an incurable disease but can't pay. You can have 95% 10 year survival statistics from early detection, but if you can't afford the $100,000 treatment then you are as good as dead anyways. Caros fucked around with this message at 06:05 on Oct 21, 2014 |
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