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Waroduce posted:idk it was linked in the GBS thread and i saved it Pretty sure that's 1d4chan
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Wait what happened to Bretonnia recently?
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Oct 13, 2014 03:51
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They got an army book in like 2003.
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Oct 13, 2014 04:16
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Olanphonia posted:Pretty sure that's 1d4chan 1d4chan has a project called "Return of the Primarchs", which centers around the primarchs we know. This story is called "Return of the Lost Primarch". It seems to be fanfiction from 2009: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/5100709/1/Return-of-the-Lost-Primarch
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Olanphonia posted:Pretty sure that's 1d4chan It is, but even if it wasn't it's pretty obvious it's fanfic, especially if you're familiar with the Exalted tabletop RPG (it's pretty much Exalted: 40K).
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Oct 15, 2014 04:53
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I just finished the Talon of Horus and I really liked it. I could definitely see the Warlord Chronicles influence. I read through that entire series once I heard ADB was using it as his inspiration while I was on an Arthur kick, and I think it does make a very good framing device for a 40k series. I'm really looking forward to the next book already. Lheor & Abaddon were both pretty cool.
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Oct 16, 2014 01:39
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Call him Firefist. Wait, no, actually don't!!
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Oct 16, 2014 04:47
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Man I miss when BL just did like two books a month and not all this other crap they fart out.
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Okay, so I finished A Thousand Sons and the writing is rather good, as is the roster of characters. A couple of things, though. Russ and the Space Wolves seems as barbarous as the World Eaters in this. Except that while Angron and his horde are just plain brutal, Russ and his wolves feel malicious and duplicitous as well, well beyond the level of "See, the savagery is mostly a front they put up to keep others off guard" they tried to pull off in Prospero Burns. Having Wyrdmake befriend Ahriman only to suddenly turn on a dime and go "Yeah, they are all filthy warlocks without morals" was cheap, and the whole "We're not psykers! We're, um, attuned to the cycle of Fenris. Yeah, that's the ticket!" was...odd. Are they really dumb enough to buy it, or are they being blatantly hypocritical? Between that, the burning of books and knowledge for petty reasons ("I have dibs! It all burns!"when in other books of the Crusade we've seen such works being spared. unleashing their werewolf mutants and glorying in destruction , it's a wonder Khorne didn't flip a coin to pick between Russ and Angron. Was it Russ leaving that made them shift from raging assholes to the cooler, populist chapter of the current setting?
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Sephyr posted:Was it Russ leaving that made them shift from raging assholes to the cooler, populist chapter of the current setting? Nah, the rest of the Imperium just got more terrible and brutal. Compared to that, the Wolves look like good guys at the current setting.
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Thousand Sons were warlocks without morals, and Magnus was vain enough to think he was the one in charge when he was being worked.
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I do think the Wolves, and Russ, are not so much hypocritical as suffering a case of cognitive dissonance. The impression I get from them is not so much that believe their own mystic traditions as opposed to the Thousand Sons' more humanistic approach, than that the Wolves view psychic powers through the lens of witchcraft and religion. The necessary humility of the Wolves' spiritual approach to it shields them from dangers that the Thousand Sons ignore. Scars presents a similar approach with the White Scars' librarians. The Thousand Sons adhere to Socrates: there is only one good, knowledge, and one evil: ignorance. They reject the notion that there is any inherent danger to knowledge, taking the belief that good and evil are human constructs rather than any sort of cosmic principle or objective reality. The Wolves believe that knowledge can be innately dangerous and that some things are not meant for men to know. This being 40k, the Wolves are right. I don't think they're duplicitous or malicious so much as they have a very primitive view of the world: there is good and evil, there are spirits and powers before which you must humble yourself, and man is not the master of the universe. This sets them in opposition to the humanistic views of the Thousand Sons, who are noted to fundamentally believe in the power and potential of man as master of reality. A Thousand Sons makes Magnus very sympathetic and Russ borderline malevolent, I think, because the Sons' outlook hews much more closely to how the Western world today tends to look at the world. They're effectively atheist and reject what they see as the trappings of superstition, tradition, and fear of a world we once did not understand. The Wolves stand in opposition to all that, and in this setting this makes the Wolves realistic in how they see the world. Brutal, yes, even dangerous to those who would seem to be their allies, but the Thousand Sons are so convinced of their own superiority and power that they walk headlong into the jaws of powers far greater than mankind. Powers that the Sons' view of the world does not permit them to realize exist.
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The Sons know a lot, but not enough. Looking up from their level, gods do exist, but they're too arrogant to accept that. If they were, like, the Old Ones then they could categorize Chaos into neat little boxes, but they aren't.
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Oct 20, 2014 00:51
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lol Arkhan the Black got his name because he ate too much candy and didn't brush
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Oct 20, 2014 01:28
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ed balls balls man posted:Man I miss when BL just did like two books a month and not all this other crap they fart out. You know, I was thinking the exact same thing on my drive home tonight. There is no attempt at a filter anymore, so it's just one giant flood of junk that you have to sort through to find the occasional decent item. It's kind of depressing.
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berzerkmonkey posted:You know, I was thinking the exact same thing on my drive home tonight. There is no attempt at a filter anymore, so it's just one giant flood of junk that you have to sort through to find the occasional decent item. It's kind of depressing.
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amuayse posted:lol Arkhan the Black got his name because he ate too much candy and didn't brush See also: Bluetooth
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SRM posted:I don't know if it's really a lack of a filter anymore - BL's output before the last couple years was mostly pretty awful aside from Dan Abnett and the occasional good Graham McNeil novel. Once they started hiring newer writers like ADB and Steve Parker the releases just stepped up too, but the general quality of writing is high as it's ever been. There are way too many short stories and novellas being released with next to no fanfare though, and it's drat near impossible to keep up with it. The whole limited edition thing is bogus too. I really want to read Talon of Horus, but until it's in a paperback I'm not picking it up. I agree with this. Too many short stories and audio dramas we have to filter out. If it's not in a standard paperback I'm not buying it. I just sent Scars back to Amazon unread because it was a ridiculous oversized format instead of the standard paperback like the rest of the series.
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I was really disappointed when black library changed the cost format a couple of years ago. Before that I would buy every single one their paperbacks. I haven't bought a BL book since the price increases and format changes.
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Gods of Mars doesn't suck. It's not as good as Priests of Mars and is better overall than Lords of Mars. It has a bunch of sequel hooks at the end. It is ridiculously full of action. Graham McNeill shows once again his most human characters are the ones furthest from baseline humanity.
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I'm a bit of a noob to the W40k other than painting a few Eldar as a youngster. So far I dabbled with some of the Horus Heresy books, discovered this thread and then read the Eisenhorn and Ravenor trilogies and loved them. Should I follow them with the Gaunt's Ghosts books as per the OP or try something else now?
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franchise1 posted:I'm a bit of a noob to the W40k other than painting a few Eldar as a youngster. So far I dabbled with some of the Horus Heresy books, discovered this thread and then read the Eisenhorn and Ravenor trilogies and loved them. Should I follow them with the Gaunt's Ghosts books as per the OP or try something else now? I would! After that continue to read anything written by Abnett or ABD until you've gone through all of their work; you'll be able to make believe that 40k literature isn't all terrible and a waste of your money!
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Read anything by Dan Abnett or Aaron Dembski-Bowden and you'll be good. So yes, the Gaunt books are a good choice, but I find them a bit hard to binge read - some of them can get a little repetitive. It isn't nearly as bad as the Cain books though. The Mechanicus series by McNeill is pretty good (Priests/Lords/Gods of Mars) as well. Mechafunkzilla has a pretty good writeup of some of the must reads.
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franchise1 posted:I'm a bit of a noob to the W40k other than painting a few Eldar as a youngster. So far I dabbled with some of the Horus Heresy books, discovered this thread and then read the Eisenhorn and Ravenor trilogies and loved them. Should I follow them with the Gaunt's Ghosts books as per the OP or try something else now? Pariah is a no-brainer if you liked Eisenhorn and Ravenor, as it's a followup, but it's also the first book of a new trilogy and ends on a gigantic cliffhanger. Older Dan Abnett stuff like Brotherhood of the Snake and Titanicus are excellent if you can find them. Gaunt's Ghosts is awesome, but doesn't quite hit its stride until Necropolis, so at least finish the first omnibus (called The Founding) before you pass judgement. ADB's Night Lords trilogy is basically the new Eisenhorn in terms of being the gold standard of quality. Helsreach and The Emperor's Gift are also great. For something a bit different and grim as gently caress, I'd suggest Legion of the Damned by Rob Sanders or Wrath of Iron by Chris Wraight.
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If you can find The Talon of Horus, read it. Its pretty fantastic.
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Sephyr posted:Call him Firefist. Wait, no, actually don't!! I lolled at this. Talon of Horus man.
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I want to read Talon of Horus but gently caress buying a stupid hardback. These are trashy sci-fi gun porn books, they should be small paperbacks now and forever 
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:I want to read Talon of Horus but gently caress buying a stupid hardback. These are trashy sci-fi gun porn books, they should be small paperbacks now and forever Agreed. If you don't want to wait though, you can get it from Amazon for $19, which, astonishingly, is $5 cheaper than the ebook from BL.  Obligatory "gently caress you, Black Library" goes here.
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Tiki Powers posted:Didn't Loken survive and get recruited by Garro in one of his audio books? If I remember correctly he thought his name was Cerberus after Istvaan. Loken and Garro are by far my favourite characters in the heresy. I've even named two knights in the tactical RPG Soul Nomad and the World Eaters after them, since the game is apocalyptical enough to fit 40k characters. 
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Though I'm likely gonna read them regardless, curious to know how the Horus Heresy has been doing since Unremembered Empire. Are the two or three since that title worth rushing to get caught up to date with? Or should I just focus more on other reading and take em one book every so often?
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Cythereal posted:I do think the Wolves, and Russ, are not so much hypocritical as suffering a case of cognitive dissonance. The impression I get from them is not so much that believe their own mystic traditions as opposed to the Thousand Sons' more humanistic approach, than that the Wolves view psychic powers through the lens of witchcraft and religion. The necessary humility of the Wolves' spiritual approach to it shields them from dangers that the Thousand Sons ignore. Scars presents a similar approach with the White Scars' librarians. This is what we call a good post...
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I thought the moral of the whole debacle was that Horus is a dick and Emps is bad at explaining things.
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amuayse posted:I thought the moral of the whole debacle was that Horus is a dick and Emps is bad at explaining things. They are not mutually exclusive explanations.
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I just finished Gods of Mars, and it was actually pretty good. Three decent or better Graham McNeil books in a row, it's a got to be a sign of the Apocalypse in some religion. I'm a sucker for Void Dragon conspiracy theorizing though.
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wiegieman posted:I just finished Gods of Mars, and it was actually pretty good. Three decent or better Graham McNeil books in a row, it's a got to be a sign of the Apocalypse in some religion. And yet, I read Priests of Mars and thought it was a great page-turner. I personally think he's better at writing non-Space Marine stories.
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It's no secret that McNeil likes him some robots. His best writing is always about AdMech guys.
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SRM posted:It's no secret that McNeil likes him some robots. His best writing is always about AdMech guys. I enjoyed Baneblade too, for the most part! I wasn't wild about the side plot, but I thought the portions involving the Imperial Guard and life as a tanker were worth the price of admission!
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Hot Dog Day #82 posted:I enjoyed Baneblade too, for the most part! I wasn't wild about the side plot, but I thought the portions involving the Imperial Guard and life as a tanker were worth the price of admission! Baneblade is Guy Haley I think.
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Hot Dog Day #82 posted:I enjoyed Baneblade too, for the most part! I wasn't wild about the side plot, but I thought the portions involving the Imperial Guard and life as a tanker were worth the price of admission! Yes, it's a good book, but Mowglis Haircut is correct - that's a Guy Haley book. Treadheads is a decent tanker book as well.
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