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Pope Guilty posted:Why would a sovereign citizen dude want to be part of the government? Many soverign citizen dudes earnestly believe that they could "fix" government by returning it to their idea of a "legal" state. So you know, the child support and driver's license laws are clearly unconstitutional but having city roads is ok.
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My Imaginary GF posted:I'd use the same standard Scalia would on the issue: I know 'Mozzerella' when I taste it. You're confusing Potter Stewart and Scalia. Scalia's standard is "I know mozzarella when the Founding Fathers taste it, unless it conflicts with my policy preferences."
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lil mortimer posted:I wonder how long it'll take Hannity and Ann Coulter to whine about anti-American liberals and their Republican President Derangement Syndrome whenever another Republican takes office. Now look you might not agree with his politics, but you have to respect the president. Unless he's a
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Joementum posted:Quote of the day, "In 2017, I believe a Republican president will repeal Obamacare in its entirety." ~ Ted Cruz You could do a find and replace on this article and run it in 2004 or 2006 or 2008 or 2010 or 2012. The pundits are firmly convinced that THIS will be the shakeup that makes the Republicans become serious about governing and responding to the base problems of the country instead of being a bunch of talk radio Fox News nuts out to one up the craziness of each other for votes while they sell off the country to the highest bidder. Every time THIS event will make them serious because otherwise they will be out of power and the Dems will set the agenda and every time the GOP sets up a nice bit of regulatory capture for the rich and then proceeds to paint the wall with its own poo poo while screaming and smashing the machinery of government with a pipe wrench. And the press comes out and presents both sides, that it's just a matter of opinion if "vaccines cause autism" or not or "witchcraft is real" or not or "agenda 21 is a new world order plot" or not or whatever. Christ on the cross
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Oct 20, 2014 15:45
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Sorry friend, but if you don't agree that Both Sides Have Good Points then clearly you are just not listening to Very Serious People in Washington who are out to protect Small Business Owners from the stifling hand of Big Government and its over-regulation. Our nation's Job Creators need to be free to experiment with Disruptive new techniques that Big Pharma and the SJWs don't want you to know about. But they can't do that when Obamacare and the PC Police are forcing them to hire only Hyphenated Americans and to give those Welfare Queens these ridiculous and ungodly healthcare plans. Our Small Business Owners simply can't afford to pay for all these Late Term Abortion Pills, and even if they could afford it they shouldn't have to, because forcing them to pay for those Ungodly things goes against the beliefs of the company. Corporations are people after all, and America is a Christian Nation. Do you want to give all these Illegals even more reason to flood over the border and infect us all with their Ebola-soaked Muslim Prayer Rugs, or shoot the Real Patriots protecting the border with their Fast and Furious machine guns? If we don't Close The Border then we'll all suffer when ISIS comes up from Mexico and institutes Sharia Law and uses FEMA to force us all into Death Panels while they use vaccines to infect our children with Autism. Why Do You Hate America???
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An Angry Bug posted:Sorry friend, but if you don't agree that Both Sides Have Good Points then clearly you are just not listening to Very Serious People in Washington who are out to protect Small Business Owners from the stifling hand of Big Government and its over-regulation. Our nation's Job Creators need to be free to experiment with Disruptive new techniques that Big Pharma and the SJWs don't want you to know about. But they can't do that when Obamacare and the PC Police are forcing them to hire only Hyphenated Americans and to give those Welfare Queens these ridiculous and ungodly healthcare plans. Our Small Business Owners simply can't afford to pay for all these Late Term Abortion Pills, and even if they could afford it they shouldn't have to, because forcing them to pay for those Ungodly things goes against the beliefs of the company. Corporations are people after all, and America is a Christian Nation. Do you want to give all these Illegals even more reason to flood over the border and infect us all with their Ebola-soaked Muslim Prayer Rugs, or shoot the Real Patriots protecting the border with their Fast and Furious machine guns? If we don't Close The Border then we'll all suffer when ISIS comes up from Mexico and institutes Sharia Law and uses FEMA to force us all into Death Panels while they use vaccines to infect our children with Autism. Why Do You Hate America??? This is so beautiful. I think we all need to take a moment and admire how elegantly this captures everything wrong with America up to this point.
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Oct 20, 2014 16:07
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Joementum posted:Oh, allow him to learn ya' 'bout some traffic laws. These people honestly think that having a BAC > 0.2 and barreling down a school zone doing 60 is only self inflicting harm.
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An Angry Bug posted:Sorry friend, but if you don't agree that Both Sides Have Good Points then clearly you are just not listening to Very Serious People in Washington who are out to protect Small Business Owners from the stifling hand of Big Government and its over-regulation. Our nation's Job Creators need to be free to experiment with Disruptive new techniques that Big Pharma and the SJWs don't want you to know about. But they can't do that when Obamacare and the PC Police are forcing them to hire only Hyphenated Americans and to give those Welfare Queens these ridiculous and ungodly healthcare plans. Our Small Business Owners simply can't afford to pay for all these Late Term Abortion Pills, and even if they could afford it they shouldn't have to, because forcing them to pay for those Ungodly things goes against the beliefs of the company. Corporations are people after all, and America is a Christian Nation. Do you want to give all these Illegals even more reason to flood over the border and infect us all with their Ebola-soaked Muslim Prayer Rugs, or shoot the Real Patriots protecting the border with their Fast and Furious machine guns? If we don't Close The Border then we'll all suffer when ISIS comes up from Mexico and institutes Sharia Law and uses FEMA to force us all into Death Panels while they use vaccines to infect our children with Autism. Why Do You Hate America???  Yup, I think that's a blackout
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An Angry Bug posted:Sorry friend, but if you don't agree that Both Sides Have Good Points then clearly you are just not listening to Very Serious People in Washington who are out to protect Small Business Owners from the stifling hand of Big Government and its over-regulation. Our nation's Job Creators need to be free to experiment with Disruptive new techniques that Big Pharma and the SJWs don't want you to know about. But they can't do that when Obamacare and the PC Police are forcing them to hire only Hyphenated Americans and to give those Welfare Queens these ridiculous and ungodly healthcare plans. Our Small Business Owners simply can't afford to pay for all these Late Term Abortion Pills, and even if they could afford it they shouldn't have to, because forcing them to pay for those Ungodly things goes against the beliefs of the company. Corporations are people after all, and America is a Christian Nation. Do you want to give all these Illegals even more reason to flood over the border and infect us all with their Ebola-soaked Muslim Prayer Rugs, or shoot the Real Patriots protecting the border with their Fast and Furious machine guns? If we don't Close The Border then we'll all suffer when ISIS comes up from Mexico and institutes Sharia Law and uses FEMA to force us all into Death Panels while they use vaccines to infect our children with Autism. Why Do You Hate America??? OP for US Politics November: Why did the IRS give Ebola to all those Tea Party groups anyway? found.
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I absolutely adore the bit where he goes 'I should be able to freely express any opinion I want, without other people calling me names'. What's the matter Cliven, I thought you were a rugged individualist. Are the big meanies in the liberal media/establishment/whatever bullying you? 
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It's free expression when I say what I want But when you react to what I say it's a violation of the first amendment
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richardfun posted:I absolutely adore the bit where he goes 'I should be able to freely express any opinion I want, without other people calling me names'. I love that he actually said that. He thinks the Constitution means that people have to be nice to him when he's saying things that aren't nice about them, so long as he doesn't think he's being mean to them. Or think of them as people.
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Oct 20, 2014 16:21
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Fried Chicken posted:OP for US Politics November: Why did the IRS give Ebola to all those Tea Party groups anyway? found. I couldn't help but think US Politics November: Ebola-soaked Muslim Prayer Rugs while reading that. It's really a piece of art.
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Cheekio posted:I couldn't help but think US Politics November: Ebola-soaked Muslim Prayer Rugs while reading that. It's really a piece of art. I'd be way more delighted with that post if I didn't know that between 10 and 30 million Americans would agree unironically and enthusiastically with the entire thing.
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Oct 20, 2014 17:52
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The Warszawa posted:You're confusing Potter Stewart and Scalia. Scalia's standard is "I know mozzarella when the Founding Fathers taste it, unless it conflicts with my policy preferences." I'm gonna need a cheese plate to compare, barrister. E: This just in, Thomas' wife reported to run an italian mozzerella operation on the side. Will this influence his vote on protectionist cheese policy? My Imaginary GF fucked around with this message at 18:24 on Oct 20, 2014 |
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Just visited Politifact again, and god drat does that site suck. It's amazing that one site can miss the point so many times. My recent favorite was the one that involved the claim that "almost four million women have fallen into poverty in the last six years", which was completely substantiated by Census data, but Politifact rated it as "Mostly False" because "women" only means females above the age of 18. Of course, nothing will ever beat the "this plan will destroy Medicare" claim rated as false, because there will technically be a plan called "Medicare", even if it in no way resembles the plan it replaces.
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Oct 20, 2014 18:38
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Let's be frank here, Politifact are lying, opportunistic backstabbers. They don't care about the truth or doing good for other people. They only care about being seen as Very Serious People, and nowadays that means constantly fellating horrible people and throwing anyone remotely leftist under the bus. If they didn't, they'd be seen as radical and threatening, which would stifle their ambitions and make it harder for them to gain money and power. They were never good people in the first place.
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Oct 20, 2014 18:51
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What I think is frustrating is that gas prices are flirting with dropping below $3 for the first time in who knows how long, unemployment is down, healthcare is down, everything that the media was screaming about being important just two years ago is suddenly second to two nurses catching ebola because 
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Necc0 posted:What I think is frustrating is that gas prices are flirting with dropping below $3 for the first time in who knows how long, unemployment is down, healthcare is down, everything that the media was screaming about being important just two years ago is suddenly second to two nurses catching ebola because There was no way the media was going to give Obama any benefit of what's going on, because regardless of the facts people do not feel there is a recovery and reporting as if things are fine will bite them in the rear end when Republicans take over government and the media has no reason to explain how that happened.
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Oct 20, 2014 18:56
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An Angry Bug posted:Let's be frank here, Politifact are lying, opportunistic backstabbers. They don't care about the truth or doing good for other people. They only care about being seen as Very Serious People, and nowadays that means constantly fellating horrible people and throwing anyone remotely leftist under the bus. If they didn't, they'd be seen as radical and threatening, which would stifle their ambitions and make it harder for them to gain money and power. They were never good people in the first place. Politifact throws leftists under the bus about as much as Jon Stewart, which is to say JUST often enough to seem non-partisan, when it's pretty obvious that both are liberal hacks who enjoy attacking conservatives at a higher volume than liberals (which isn't to say they attack them unfairly, they're just partisan in their focus on conservatives-saying-stupid-poo poo versus liberals-saying-stupid-poo poo).
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Oct 20, 2014 19:04
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An Angry Bug posted:Let's be frank here, Politifact are lying, opportunistic backstabbers. They don't care about the truth or doing good for other people. They only care about being seen as Very Serious People, and nowadays that means constantly fellating horrible people and throwing anyone remotely leftist under the bus. If they didn't, they'd be seen as radical and threatening, which would stifle their ambitions and make it harder for them to gain money and power. They were never good people in the first place. Please stop dropping brutal truth bombs on the USPOL thread.
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Oct 20, 2014 19:05
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Amergin posted:Politifact throws leftists under the bus about as much as Jon Stewart, which is to say JUST often enough to seem non-partisan, when it's pretty obvious that both are liberal hacks who enjoy attacking conservatives at a higher volume than liberals (which isn't to say they attack them unfairly, they're just partisan in their focus on conservatives-saying-stupid-poo poo versus liberals-saying-stupid-poo poo). Jumping around like you're Yosemite Sam, ranting about Urban Ferals to a group of armed supporters tends to be a lot more newsworthy then some hippy pining to nobody in particular over our use of coal.
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Oct 20, 2014 19:07
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Nonsense posted:There was no way the media was going to give Obama any benefit of what's going on, because regardless of the facts people do not feel there is a recovery and reporting as if things are fine will bite them in the rear end when Republicans take over government and the media has no reason to explain how that happened. To be fair, the recovery isn't going so well for normal people. Unemployment is down, but that is from minimum wage service industry jobs replacing the former decent paying jobs. Wages are still completely stagnant. College graduates are still completely buried under student loans. People may not be on the unemployment rolls any longer, but they likely don't have much in the way of spending power. Most of the recovery has gone to the already rich. Sure, this isn't the fault of Obama or the Democrats, but most people don't know that. They see "Democrat in white house, my life still sucks, it is the democrats' fault."
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Quote of the (Senate-style) morning, "Michelle sent these. We got broccoli, carrots." ~ Barack Obama, delivering donuts to a Pat Quinn campaign office.
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Amergin posted:Politifact throws leftists under the bus about as much as Jon Stewart, which is to say JUST often enough to seem non-partisan, when it's pretty obvious that both are liberal hacks who enjoy attacking conservatives at a higher volume than liberals (which isn't to say they attack them unfairly, they're just partisan in their focus on conservatives-saying-stupid-poo poo versus liberals-saying-stupid-poo poo). Really any site or group that 'dedicates' itself to revealing political truths is going to be biased and thus worthless.
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Joementum posted:Quote of the (Senate-style) morning, "Michelle sent these. We got broccoli, carrots." ~ Barack Obama, delivering donuts to a Pat Quinn campaign office. Michelle absolutely loaths Quinn.
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Necc0 posted:What I think is frustrating is that gas prices are flirting with dropping below $3 for the first time in who knows how long, unemployment is down, healthcare is down, everything that the media was screaming about being important just two years ago is suddenly second to two nurses catching ebola because A lot of people don't think any of those things are true thanks to our fair and balanced media and the GOP's ability to flat out lie without being held accountable.
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Talmonis posted:Jumping around like you're Yosemite Sam, ranting about Urban Ferals to a group of armed supporters tends to be a lot more newsworthy then some hippy pining to nobody in particular over our use of coal. I was listening to a talk by Gen. John Allen and he mentioned that military planners were now coining the phrase "feral cities" to refer to heavily urbanized areas that had "fallen out of the writ of law and the government". A quick google just now tells me that this is a actually a thing, but I still found the use of word rather unsettling.
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An Angry Bug posted:Let's be frank here, Politifact are lying, opportunistic backstabbers. They don't care about the truth or doing good for other people. They only care about being seen as Very Serious People, and nowadays that means constantly fellating horrible people and throwing anyone remotely leftist under the bus. If they didn't, they'd be seen as radical and threatening, which would stifle their ambitions and make it harder for them to gain money and power. They were never good people in the first place. I agree that they're generally pretty bad and some of their individual rulings have been downright terrible but the site still paints an overall somewhat negative picture of Republicans and definitely of tea partiers. Obama and Biden's numbers look pretty good, Boehner and McConnell's are average while Cruz and Bachmann's are downright awful.
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God drat it I ended up in the democrat mailing list somehow and they keep sending me emails with titles like "all hope is lost" and "accept defeat", which I guess is the new Democratic platform.
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Khisanth Magus posted:To be fair, the recovery isn't going so well for normal people. Unemployment is down, but that is from minimum wage service industry jobs replacing the former decent paying jobs. Wages are still completely stagnant. College graduates are still completely buried under student loans. People may not be on the unemployment rolls any longer, but they likely don't have much in the way of spending power. Most of the recovery has gone to the already rich. Oh no I agree, I was trying to sound a bit sarcastic with "regardless of the facts" thing, because if the recovery is genuine or not, people in general don't seem to be feeling it. I was just stating there can be no state the media is in currently where its going to give great press to a party that pretty much flubs every mid-term. The numbers do not seem to be lying though, and Democrats really have colossally hosed up.
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Luigi Thirty posted:God drat it I ended up in the democrat mailing list somehow and they keep sending me emails with titles like "all hope is lost" and "accept defeat", which I guess is the new Democratic platform. Wendy Davis' team sends like 4 emails an hour. Also she lost 10 points in a weekend 
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Luigi Thirty posted:God drat it I ended up in the democrat mailing list somehow and they keep sending me emails with titles like "all hope is lost" and "accept defeat", which I guess is the new Democratic platform. Nah its always been that they're just being more honest about it now.
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Nonsense posted:Wendy Davis' team sends like 4 emails an hour. Also she lost 10 points in a weekend What poll?
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Is it really her team doing it? Weren't there some dirty tricks being played where I think a Republican candidate was flooding Democratic voters with fake robocalls pretending to be his opponent to get the Dems to not vote out of spite?
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zoux posted:What poll? I thought you were the one who posted that poll. Or was it one of those local newscasts: DO YOU THINK A THING? YES NO?
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Oct 20, 2014 19:35
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Nonsense posted:I thought you were the one who posted that poll. Or was it one of those local newscasts: DO YOU THINK A THING? YES NO? KHOU had her down by 15 but I don't think she was ever within five points.
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They alternate the 'all is lost doom and despair' emails with poo poo like 'nate Silver says its too close to call! Your 5 DOLLARS COULD BE WHAT PUTS US OVER THE EDGE!' and poo poo like that.
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zoux posted:KHOU had her down by 15 but I don't think she was ever within five points. Her internal polling email last week(or was it two weeks ago, I Just delete them very quickly) had her within 6. I suppose it does not really matter because she never led in a poll once.
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Nonsense posted:Her internal polling email last week(or was it two weeks ago, I Just delete them very quickly) had her within 6. I suppose it does not really matter because she never led in a poll once. Yeaaaah I'd recommend she should fire her internal polling firm because she hasn't been within single digits since last fall.
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