An Angry Bug posted:

Nope. GW doesn't even have the grounds to file it, but they're doing it anyway. They want to hurt him economically so he's forced to settle, because otherwise the courts are going to rightfully take GW to the cleaners. This has been a long time coming.

Direwolf posted:

So I saw the end turns of a Deathwing vs Green Tide Orks game this past weekend, and I'm pretty sure there were more dead Terminators by the end than Orks.

What would you guys do if you were faced down by a 100 man squad of t4 guys with Feel No Pain, about half with a 5+ invulnerable from shooting, that can run and charge every turn and has a bunch of Power Klaws inside it, to boot? I mean how do you even kill that?
And I did some of the math on it, it's only like 1000-1100 points, so you still have 1/3 of your army points left to blow.

MasterSlowPoke posted:

I assume that the courts wouldn't have granted the freeze if there was no grounds.

An Angry Bug posted:

Nope. GW doesn't even have the grounds to file it, but they're doing it anyway. They want to hurt him economically so he's forced to settle, because otherwise the courts are going to rightfully take GW to the cleaners. This has been a long time coming.

Edit: Best case scenario, at least in my opinion, is that he wins and this forces GW to reevaluate the toxic way they've been handling IP issues and their borderline hostile relationship with the hobby. The path they're on now with the bans on bits sales, one-man stores, lack of tournaments, and regular price increases just isn't sustainable. It's making short term profits at the expense of long-term stability and continued loss of both customer numbers and goodwill.

Ghost Hand posted:

A judge granted it... so clearly there is SOME grounds for it. Otherwise it would have just been tossed.

Ghost Hand posted:

A judge granted it... so clearly there is SOME grounds for it. Otherwise it would have just been tossed.

Hollismason posted:

I use sharped edged mini casino dice. Casino dice for life but yea I avoid Chessex just because they're dice literally are unbalanced. I'll try and dig up the picture someone made of them cutting open 10 of the chessex dice. Generally they have air bubbles inside them or are actually lop sided.

They're really cheaply made.

REAL MUSCLE MILK posted:

ah yes the guy who thinks 'judges can do whatever the gently caress they want' unironically is the person you should be listening to about legal issues

Hollismason posted:

They pretty much can. They have a wide scope when it comes to things. I'm not saying the thing is groundless just that it's not like a unusual thing for them to do this. It's pretty common especially in lawsuits involving businesses.

Squifferific posted:

It's this happening in the UK? I don't know how their systems differ from those in the US, but I'm betting it involves more powdered wigs and fancy costumes. Maybe they have to see if the Chapterhouse guy weighs more than a goose.

BULBASAUR posted:

Big Willy Style posted:

I've been waiting for this day. What a lovely aftermarket parts supplier and the hobby will be better off without them.

Moola posted:

I'm behind on warhams drama, what has chapter done to make them lovely??

Post 9-11 User posted:

"Casino dice" is one of my trigger words in 40k.

Von Humboldt posted:

Eldar are primarily Serpents, but you still sometimes see SEERSTAR (which is a bunch of Warlocks and Farseers with stacked powers to me nearly invincible) do alright. That build's becoming increasingly unpopular, though. Necrons are primarily a ton of flyers, but there are a number of other vicious options for them - Pylons, Catacomb Command Barges, Annihilation Barges, and Wraiths can all be incorporated into strong builds. Of course, they're up for a new book soon, so that might shake them down. Tau is still mainly Riptides and Broadsides with Markerlight support, but how you bring that support and fill the rest of your points is up to you. Farside is still fairly solid. However, the Codex as a whole has slid down a bit in 7th, so keep that in mind. It's not bad, of course, just weaker. Knights are cool, but they're normally a detachment for another force - Space Marines with a Knight, for instance.

Honestly, if you want to build Riptides, go for it. Tau are very powerful, and if you like the kit, there you go. It's how I started Flying Circus. (That, and the conversions were cheap.)

Here and here are some of the top lists from tournaments earlier this year, if you want to poke around. Naramyth, if he pops in, can provide more in depth info on this sort of thing, I'm sure - his group is fairly cutthroat, so I know he has some insight. Abuse Puppy can certainly provide more input as well. I'm only capable of providing perspective from the other side of the table versus these lists.

which is to say, goddamn I hate all those things can't a man just jink for a 2++ and summon scoring units in peace?

:cryingdaemonprince:

Naramyth posted:

Scrubs.

In my group we currently have a 2 knight list, a 3 knight 3 flier list, a 3 wraithknight 5 serpent list, one nid air (5 fliers)/demons, one nid air with 3 planes allied in, and one 10 flier list, one sw hq spam deathstar, and a dude rolling a stompa.

serious gaylord posted:

Hes a generally really lovely person with terrible customer service and even worst casting quality. He's made all of his money by ripping people off (not just GW, but other small sculptors) and again, is a horrid human being.

serious gaylord posted:

Also from the court documents it seems the judge imposed the asset freeze to stop him clearing all of chapterhouses assets outside of the company and claiming bankruptcy when the time comes to pay his $25,000 fine. This is a common thing in cases like this where its highly likely the person won't be able to pay their fine. They sell it all for a nominal fee to a trusted friend/family member, declare bankruptcy and go off to work for this person doing exactly the same job they had before, just that person is the 'director' in name.

REAL MUSCLE MILK posted:

no one cares about 30k but you and me

Lord Thrust posted:

I've got a team-up tourney coming up first thing November and I need some list input. It's 1000 points a piece and my partner is taking lots o' big demons with lots o' summoning power. I was going to compliment him with CSM fire support. Here's the list I came up with:

- Chaos Lord: Combi-bolter, Gift of mutation, Mark of Slaanesh, Power Sword, Sigil of Corruption
- 5 Noise Marines:Icon of Excess, x3 bolters, noise champ w/ Combi bolter and CCW, x1Blastmaster
- Chaos Rhino: Combi bolter, Havoc Launcher, Warpflame gargoyles
- 5 Noise Marines: Icon of Excess, x3 bolters, noise champ w/ Combi bolter and CCW, x1Blastmaster
- Chaos Rhino: Combi bolter, Havoc Launcher, Warpflame gargoyles
- 5 Havocs: Icon of Excess, x4 Missile Launchers w/ Flak Missiles, Aspiring Champ w/ Combi bolter and CCW
- 3 Obliterators: Mark of Nurgle

The thought behind this is let the demons take the close combat. There is no need for me to have any close combat capability, right? There was a Heldrake in the mix but I chose the Havocs instead because they come out on the first turn and should provide some decent anti-air with the flak missiles, right? The point total is 989 per battle scribe, so i have a little to play with. Am I missing anything?

Direwolf posted:

Daemons can do some limited shooting, like warpfire stuff, right? I'd try to complement with anti-tank/armor stuff.

Also you have like 20 models in a 1000 point list. I have nearly as many terminators in my 1000 point Deathwing list, you've got a lot of extraneous upgrades here (and a combi bolter is never worth it, either pistol for the extra attack or combi-melta/plasma).
Noise Marines aren't bad but isn't the whole point to have the special weapons?
Havocs aren't terrible but Heldrakes are amazing. If you need anti-air how about an Aegis?

Try this out:

code:

+++ New Roster (996pts) +++
+++ 1000pt Chaos Space Marines: Codex (2012), Fortifications and Stronghold Assault (2013) Roster (Combined Arms Detachment, Fortification Detachment)) +++

+ HQ + (160pts)

    * Chaos Lord (160pts) 
        (Champion of Chaos, Fearless, Independent Character)
        Bike (20pts), Mark of Slaanesh (15pts) (*), Melta bombs (5pts), Sigil of corruption (25pts)
        * Power Armour (30pts) 
            2x Lightning Claws (30pts)

+ Troops + (338pts)

    * Noise Marines (Troops) (169pts) 
        (Fearless, Mark of Slaanesh)
        Noise Marine w/ Blastmaster (47pts), 3x Noise Marine w/ Sonic Blaster (60pts)
        * Chaos Rhino (35pts) 
        * Noise Champion (27pts) 

    * Noise Marines (Troops) (169pts) 
        (Fearless, Mark of Slaanesh)
        Noise Marine w/ Blastmaster (47pts), 3x Noise Marine w/ Sonic Blaster (60pts)
        * Chaos Rhino (35pts) 
        * Noise Champion (27pts) 

+ Fast Attack + (170pts)

    * Heldrake (170pts) 
        Baleflamer

+ Heavy Support + (228pts)

    * Obliterators (228pts) 
        Mark of Nurgle (18pts), 3x Obliterator (210pts)


Fortifications and Stronghold Assault (2013) (Fortification Detachment) Selections:

+ Fortification + (100pts)

    * Aegis Defense Line (100pts)  (Stronghold Assault p0)
        Gun Emplacement with Quad-gun (50pts)

Created with BattleScribe

Super killy I6 lord zooming around and mulching squads, 2 squads of super-shooty Noise Marines sitting behind fortifications, 2 rhinos for grabbing objectives or moving the squads if need be, a Quad Gun which is basically like a Havoc squad by itself except more accurate, and you still get Oblits and a Heldrake.

REAL MUSCLE MILK posted:

no one cares about 30k but you and me

Lord Thrust posted:

I really appreciate the fast input. I wanted a biker lord, for sure, but I'm afraid that no matter how killy and fast he is, he's going to die quick if he's alone. I also read somewhere that noise marines are REALLY for the free fearless and the blastmaster, if you're making them shooty, and the sonic blasters aren't much of an improvement on plain old bolters. I really like the Heldrake but I fear bad rolls keeping him off the board. Doesn't comms relay on the defense line take care of that? Hmmmmm? Any other thoughts?