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Cythereal posted:I can't help but think that there's a growing strain of game developer that's absolutely horrified at this concept, of players taking their vision and all their hard work and turning it into whatever the players please - which we all know drat well includes porn, ponies, pedophilia, and often all of the above at the same time. Hey, TF2 Poser porn is hawt 
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Jimbot posted:Or worse. Warning: that video isn't for the feint of heart and should be view by nobody. I read the awful mods thread. I do not need to be informed that mods inevitably get worse than the things I mentioned. I really can't blame game developers for being appalled at that sector of the modding community and holding it in contempt.
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Cythereal posted:I can't help but think that there's a growing strain of game developer that's absolutely horrified at this concept, of players taking their vision and all their hard work and turning it into whatever the players please - which we all know drat well includes porn, ponies, pedophilia, and often all of the above at the same time. I have a big problem with this viewpoint. Oh no someone is going to play with the toys I make in a way I have not approved. But but my precious ~*~artistic vision~*~. It's a terribly vain, juvenile, and incredibly short-sighted opinion to have. I think the tradeoff of allowing a few weird perverts to do things to a game that, while disturbing and awful, literally in no way effects anyone else in any way whatsoever is worth giving players the tools to generate massive additional value for your product by create staggering amounts of new content and customized individualization for virtually your entire user base... all for the cost of releasing a mod kit. Now for tightly designed, linear experiences, you'd probably only help generate a relatively limited amount of new content for users by releasing a mod kit, but for a huge open world kind of game like Skyrim, Witcher 3, and DA:I (which will basically be a collection of several smaller open worlds with an open world feel and sense of freedom), as a developer you almost can't afford not to release a mod kit. GreatGreen fucked around with this message at 04:07 on Oct 21, 2014 |
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Oct 21, 2014 04:02
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Cythereal posted:I can't help but think that there's a growing strain of game developer that's absolutely horrified at this concept, of players taking their vision and all their hard work and turning it into whatever the players please - which we all know drat well includes porn, ponies, pedophilia, and often all of the above at the same time. Well yeah, it seems that Gaider was turned into one of these people thanks to weirdos who took DA:O and turned it into Alistair banging a little girl. And then kept sending him videos.  e: Granted, "people rubbing their horrible poo poo in your face" is a pretty big step up from "people making poo poo that is horrible".
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Oct 21, 2014 04:08
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GreatGreen posted:It's probably impossible to say for sure, but how many people who bought Skyrim for the PC do you really think had absolutely zero interest in installing mods? I also think that people associate Elder Scrolls and modding extremely closely. I cannot imagine the reaction Bethesda would get from the PC crowd if they were to announce that TES 6 will not include modding capabilities. You're right, there is a dedicated contingent of PC players for whom mods are a central reason for playing Bethesda games (myself included). But my point is that the Fallouts, Oblivion, and Skyrim were all very successful console games without even the possibility for modding, and while I don't have the numbers to back this up my understanding is that a sizable majority of people who played those games did so entirely without mods. If Bethesda took out modding, the PC players absolutely would riot, and the blowback might be enough that the word-of-mouth hurts console sales too, but the console market is big enough that it's entirely possible most people just wouldn't care. Opposing Farce fucked around with this message at 04:25 on Oct 21, 2014 |
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Oct 21, 2014 04:22
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Shugojin posted:Well yeah, it seems that Gaider was turned into one of these people thanks to weirdos who took DA:O and turned it into Alistair banging a little girl. And then kept sending him videos. From what I've read, that thing with Gaider didn't involve modding at all. It was just people using the default game character maker to make female dwarves look as child-like as possible. Gaider said that that's what forever put him off dwarf romances.
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Oct 21, 2014 04:23
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Opposing Farce posted:You're right, there is a dedicated contingent of PC players for whom mods are a central reason for playing Bethesda games (myself included). But my point is that the Fallouts, Oblivion, and Skyrim were all very successful console games without even the possibility for modding, and while I don't have the numbers to back this up my understanding is that a sizable majority of people who played those games did so entirely without mods. Yeah I get that. I don't believe anything like "the majority" of Elder Scrolls fans wouldn't buy the game without mod support either. But a good chunk of them would definitely write the series off for it, me included. Also, on another subject, has there been anything said about post-game, repeatable quests? I'm one of those people who love to keep playing around in game worlds after I beat them just to fart around with a maxed out main character and/or party and I'd love to have real, accomplishable goals I could achieve and check off the list while I do that. GreatGreen fucked around with this message at 04:32 on Oct 21, 2014 |
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Oct 21, 2014 04:26
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Publishers don't want you playing their old open world game in perpetuity, they want you buying all of the DLC, a season pass, some in game items for real dollars and the next yearly iteration if they make one. Anything else is seen as competition to that. Mods can be revenue tools but only if you embrace them the way Valve and Bethesda do, that's just not in the corporate DNA of companies like Ubisoft and EA.
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Oct 21, 2014 04:33
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GreatGreen posted:Also, on another subject, has there been anything said about post-game, repeatable quests? I'm one of those people who love to keep playing around in game worlds after I beat them just to fart around with a maxed out main character and/or party and I'd love to have real, accomplishable goals I could achieve and check off the list while I do that. They have said there will be a post game and areas that require a hight level party to explore.
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Cythereal posted:I can't help but think that there's a growing strain of game developer that's absolutely horrified at this concept, of players taking their vision and all their hard work and turning it into whatever the players please - which we all know drat well includes porn, ponies, pedophilia, and often all of the above at the same time. I can't help but notice the majority of games with huge modding communities are buggy and flawed as hell.
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Oct 21, 2014 04:38
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Penakoto posted:I can't help but notice the majority of games with huge modding communities are buggy and flawed as hell. Euhm, not much more than games without it. Take Battlefield 4 on consoles for example, that poo poo was just broke (also the game which DA:I borrows its engine from).
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Oct 21, 2014 04:46
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I like to think that the reason my Warden-Commander wasn't in DA2 and won't be in Inquisition(unless I'm mistaken?) is because he is sitting in a jail cell at Warden HQ for creating a god baby without bothering to think of the consequences and then making deals with/sparing talking darkspawn. But due to his popularity, they can't tell people he's in warden jail, so they make up a bunch of lies about where he is and what he is doing. Oh sorry the Warden-Commander can't see you right now, he's totally in the capitol with Alistair. What? You just came from there and no one has seen him? Well he's in the deep roads then, my mistake, killing hundreds of darkspawn, yeah that guy is a darkspawn killing machine one time he.. Where in the deep roads? Well uhhh... listen why don't you just leave a message for him, and he can get back to you later?
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Oct 21, 2014 06:52
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Shugojin posted:Well yeah, it seems that Gaider was turned into one of these people thanks to weirdos who took DA:O and turned it into Alistair banging a little girl. And then kept sending him videos. And you guys blame him for being pissed at fans? Guy's more than justified.
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Oct 21, 2014 07:35
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Fair Bear Maiden posted:And you guys blame him for being pissed at fans? Guy's more than justified. He seems to not get certain qualities about the internet.
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Oct 21, 2014 07:43
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Jimbot posted:Or worse. Warning: that video isn't for the feint of heart and should be view by nobody. "And then my computer crashed" is the only way such an abomination could end.
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Oct 21, 2014 12:24
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Fair Bear Maiden posted:And you guys blame him for being pissed at fans? Guy's more than justified. True, the BSN crowd would drive anyone to misanthropy, but they're hardly representative of the majority. Assuming that everyone is the same as all the delusional perverts just makes it too easy to write off people that have genuine points to make.
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So a couple weeks ago I decided I should play DA2 before Inquisition. I am now at the end of act 2 and I dont want to play Inquisition anymore. This is the first time a single game has soured me on both previous and future titles in the series. I just dont understand how a game can be this poo poo. It just shouldnt be possible.
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Oct 21, 2014 12:53
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Pogo Stick Eagle posted:So a couple weeks ago I decided I should play DA2 before Inquisition. I am now at the end of act 2 and I dont want to play Inquisition anymore. This is the first time a single game has soured me on both previous and future titles in the series. I just dont understand how a game can be this poo poo. It just shouldnt be possible. Totally understandable. Have you tried ME3 for another example?
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Pogo Stick Eagle posted:So a couple weeks ago I decided I should play DA2 before Inquisition. I am now at the end of act 2 and I dont want to play Inquisition anymore. This is the first time a single game has soured me on both previous and future titles in the series. I just dont understand how a game can be this poo poo. It just shouldnt be possible. What's turning you off? Is it the gameplay? The endless waves of enemies spawning from thin air? The reused assets? The writing? ALL OF THE ABOVE?  DA2 is what happens when you try to cash in on a hot new IP in a year, a perfect storm of awful. To be fair DA:I doesn't look that bad, but if DA2 managed to turn SOMEone off from preordering, I count it as a small victory for humanity. Like, seriously. Never preorder. Especially EA games, just don't.
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Geostomp posted:Totally understandable. Have you tried ME3 for another example? Mass Effect 3 is a good game though.
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Oct 21, 2014 13:03
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Knuc U Kinte posted:Mass Effect 3 is a good game though. It has good gameplay, easily up there in terms of shooters, but the story really turns me off and the less said about the ending, the better.
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Oct 21, 2014 13:08
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Uhm, Mass Effect 3 is literally the worst game ever made. Except for Dragon Age 2, which is literally the worst game ever made
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Geostomp posted:It has good gameplay, easily up there in terms of shooters, but the story really turns me off and the less said about the ending, the better. All the Mass Effect Games have really bad stories.
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Brumaldo posted:What's turning you off? Is it the gameplay? The endless waves of enemies spawning from thin air? The reused assets? The writing? ALL OF THE ABOVE? I am in a weird place with DA2. I remember enjoying the game when I played it but, for the life of me, I don't remember a single thing about the game. I know I played through it, did all of the side quests I could find... but when I went through the Keep, picking what I did for DA2... I recognized nothing. So I don't know. It was either completely meh and I simply don't remember it, or it was so bad my mind later revolted against me, erasing everything and replaced it with a simple "You had fun. Don't ask questions you don't want answers to." However, I preordered DA:I because I had a 25% off coupon from GMG specifically for pre-ordering it, which got me a 25% off coupon for something else... which I used on Civilization: Beyond Earth. Worth it, as far as I am concerned.
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Geostomp posted:It has good gameplay, easily up there in terms of shooters, but the story really turns me off and the less said about the ending, the better. Did the DLC fix the ending at all?
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Golden Goat posted:Did the DLC fix the ending at all? It made it way worse.
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Geostomp posted:Totally understandable. Have you tried ME3 for another example? I liked all of the ME games, but I would never pretend them to be anything other than shlocky adolescent space fantasy. In any case, DA2 is on another poo poo stratosphere compared to ME3.
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Diviance posted:I am in a weird place with DA2. I remember enjoying the game when I played it but, for the life of me, I don't remember a single thing about the game. I know I played through it, did all of the side quests I could find... but when I went through the Keep, picking what I did for DA2... I recognized nothing. We should also consider the fact that, back then, DA2 ridiculously hyped up. Honestly, I know my own hype definitely 'colored' my first run through the game.  But hey if you can get a coupon or other assorted conveniences, sure, go for it. I should have said a vanilla preorder through Origin is probably the worst anyone could do. Eh. Knuc U Kinte posted:All the Mass Effect Games have really bad stories. The problem with Mass Effect, as a series, is the fact that it was never written as an actual trilogy. They basically winged it and ME2 was the biggest telltale sign that they had no idea what to do with the overarching plot. You don't introduce a completely unrelated threat in the middle of a trilogy, that also stops being relevant as soon as the game is over.
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Golden Goat posted:Did the DLC fix the ending at all? In the sense that you can actually tell what's supposed to be happening and the Starchild's gibberish no longer comes right out of nowhere? Yes. In any other sense? No. Especially in Synthesis which is just made so much worse by the game trying so hard to make it seem like the perfect "and they all lived happily ever after" option while somehow making even less sense. You can't really polish that turd much. Brumaldo posted:The problem with Mass Effect, as a series, is the fact that it was never written as an actual trilogy. They basically winged it and ME2 was the biggest telltale sign that they had no idea what to do with the overarching plot. The lead writer left halfway through ME2, so that only made things worse. They had an idea for the dark energy plotline that would end the series, but that was scrapped. Without that, the writers somehow managed to make it to the end of the development process without having an ending written. That's why the nonsense we all know was slapped together at the last second and why they tried so hard to cover it by spewing "art" as an excuse. EA and Bioware both screwed up massively on that series by insisting on a trilogy without bothering to have so much as an outline. I do not have high hopes for its continuation. Geostomp fucked around with this message at 13:28 on Oct 21, 2014 |
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Citadel is the official ending to Mass Effect, and I'll hear no more of this.
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Pogo Stick Eagle posted:So a couple weeks ago I decided I should play DA2 before Inquisition. I am now at the end of act 2 and I dont want to play Inquisition anymore. This is the first time a single game has soured me on both previous and future titles in the series. I just dont understand how a game can be this poo poo. It just shouldnt be possible. I warned you people. I warned you PLENTY OF TIMES. Brumaldo posted:Citadel is the official ending to Mass Effect, and I'll hear no more of this. I think I roleplayed Mass Effect 3 so hard that I passed out along with Shepard after he touched the console. Everything is blur after that and the next thing I remember is the reapers blowing up. After that I went on some continued adventures and ended up fighting a clone of myself or something. Weird but pretty great though! Bioware you have my permission to retcon the gently caress out of ME3's ending and make citadel the canon ending Batham fucked around with this message at 13:53 on Oct 21, 2014 |
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Geostomp posted:It has good gameplay, easily up there in terms of shooters, but the story really turns me off and the less said about the ending, the better. For me the ending was the only thing about ME3 that was subpar (well, aside from how insanely easy the game was). The story up until the ending was just fine, and the gameplay was always fun, even if it was really easy. It honestly amazes me that anyone is serious when they say that ME3 was bad, or that ME3's ending retroactively made ME2 worse, or any statements like that. There are a lot of games out there that are legitimately dogshit, and pretending that ME3 was one of them is just petty, I think. It beats the poo poo out of DA2, anyway.
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Mass Effect 3 was great, I loved the living poo poo out of it. It made the ending so much more harder to swallow though. Mechanically it was great and the plot, although all over the place, was pretty entertaining up until the end. Seriously, they should've just cut out the starchild and played the red cinematic. It would've turned a terrible loving ending into merely a weak one. The multiplayer was also extraordinary. Again, making the ending so much worse compared to how great everything else was. Batham fucked around with this message at 13:59 on Oct 21, 2014 |
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None of Mass Effect 3's plot was bad, except for your return to Earth and everything that follows. It wasn't especially good either, just a normal military science fiction story. I found DA2's ending even worse in some regards. Anders blowing up the Chantry wasn't too bad, but being forced to fight both Orsino and Meredith no matter what you do bugs me more than the Catalyst bullshit in ME3. Orsino proving that no Kirkwall mage can refrain from blood magic, and Meredith showing that the templars are indeed crazy and bloodthirsty monsters... why should I even care about the game that came before that? They are all horrible. Contrast with ME3, where you can at least make important decisions (genophage, Geth/Quarian war) that aren't invalidated by the ending.
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The only thing great about Mass Effect 3 was Tuchanka. Everything else was aggressively mediocre or bad. Had the game been more like Tuchanka then it would have been incredible but instead we got what we got.
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Robzilla posted:Mods?! Where we're playing, we don't need...mods. Speak for yourself, m8  None for DA2 though, since I never even played it through once (because it's really really bad)
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gently caress the haters, Mass Effect 3 (multiplayer) was the tits.  Is there a YouTube mirror of the bad walking animation? Can't see past twitch broadcasts on mobile, unfortunately.
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Zzulu posted:Uhm, Mass Effect 3 is literally the worst game ever made. Except for Dragon Age 2, which is literally the worst game ever made Someone's never heard of Derek Smart.
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Excuse me, what about Big Rigs. DA2 was better than that!! Smol posted:gently caress the haters, Mass Effect 3 (multiplayer) was the tits.  I'm holding out for your list of DA3 multiplayer builds. I have revisited your ME3 build megapost way too many times.
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Stroop There It Is posted:Excuse me, what about Big Rigs. DA2 was better than that!! Haha don't hold your breath. I'm not really that excited about DAI, at least yet. The second game more or less killed my interest about the whole series. But maybe Bioware will surprise us...
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