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mcmagic posted:Her policies on everything besides reproductive rights are awful. Hmm i wonder if she said something bad about guns.
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Khisanth Magus posted:Well, they are being cited in textbooks What. 
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Oct 21, 2014 21:35
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mcmagic posted:Her policies on everything besides reproductive rights are awful. They weren't but then some strategist convinced her to move way to the right on a ton of poo poo for the campaign.
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Oct 21, 2014 21:36
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I love when Democrats use the "I'll shift far right and obviously the leftists won't leave me while the right wing will abandon the GOP and I'll get ALL the votes" plan.
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Oct 21, 2014 21:46
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Radish posted:I love when Democrats use the "I'll shift far right and obviously the leftists won't leave me while the right wing will abandon the GOP and I'll get ALL the votes" plan. Grimes is currently in the middle of trying this. Protip: When you're relying on OFA to do your heavy lifting in the cities, you mmmmmight not want to make it obvious you refuse to acknowledge Obama. 
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Oct 21, 2014 21:50
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Radish posted:I love when Republicans use the "I'll shift far left and obviously the Tea Party won't leave me while the Reagan democrats will abandon the demonrats and I'll get ALL the votes" plan. Strangely now it seems like a better idea.
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Oct 21, 2014 21:53
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zoux posted:They weren't but then some strategist convinced her to move way to the right on a ton of poo poo for the campaign. Political marketing is routinely a minimum of a decade behind actual marketing and that's because it's clubby and, therefore, resistant to change. What's needed to change things is someone who completely blows out the old conventions. Thing is, I don't think Wendy's strategists are at fault, I think she is too. I don't think the whole lot of them have much courage or creativity to rub together to begin with.
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Oct 21, 2014 21:55
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Chokes McGee posted:Grimes is currently in the middle of trying this. Grimes is in the mainstream of Kentucky democrats. Pro Obamacare, pro guns, pro coal.
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Oct 21, 2014 21:57
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ReindeerF posted:Eventually someone with actual marketing talent will move into politic- hahah why on Earth would you work with such a bunch of low-rent douchebags? The only way it's ever going to work is when you either get someone with such innate talent that it blows up the equation (Clinton, Obama) or when the formula hits its stride at just the right time. Political marketers could never begin to launch a product that's never existed in a way that's not documented. I mean imagine Mark Penn handling the launch of the first iPod or something. WHAT DO WE CALL IT?! NO ONE UNDERSTANDS IT!! I DON'T HAVE POLLING!!! CAN'T WE JUST MAKE IT A WALKMAN!?! That might be true, but I doubt marketing could have made Davis a winner.
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Oct 21, 2014 21:57
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Trabisnikof posted:Strangely now it seems like a better idea. Who exactly is it working for?
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Oct 21, 2014 21:58
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Trabisnikof posted:That might be true, but I doubt marketing could have made Davis a winner.
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Oct 21, 2014 21:59
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ReindeerF posted:We'll never know, which is the beauty of how politics works. It's the most clubby, inbred world of inept glad-handers you can imagine. Wait, is that supposed to be a bad thing? Thats what got me started as a Democrat.
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Oct 21, 2014 22:00
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ReindeerF posted:We'll never know, which is the beauty of how politics works. It's the most clubby, inbred world of inept glad-handers you can imagine. Sure we'll never know, but in reality, I don't see the path for a Davis victory even if we were in "wag the dog". The numbers are just that bad.
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Oct 21, 2014 22:06
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Trabisnikof posted:Sure we'll never know, but in reality, I don't see the path for a Davis victory even if we were in "wag the dog". The numbers are just that bad. Davis can't even make hay over Perry's European vacation during the Ebola crisis and how her vision for Texas wouldn't have let this happen, I doubt going hard left or hard right will get her any votes.
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Oct 21, 2014 22:08
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Trabisnikof posted:Sure we'll never know, but in reality, I don't see the path for a Davis victory even if we were in "wag the dog". The numbers are just that bad.
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Oct 21, 2014 22:09
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Alter Ego posted:What. Some of the new textbooks being considered in Texas(which textbooks used in Texas usually move to the rest of the country) have sections where the only source is breitbart and other right wing media sources.
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Oct 21, 2014 22:24
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Khisanth Magus posted:Some of the new textbooks being considered in Texas(which textbooks used in Texas usually move to the rest of the country) have sections where the only source is breitbart and other right wing media sources. This book contents approved by Storm Front
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Oct 21, 2014 22:29
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Khisanth Magus posted:Some of the new textbooks being considered in Texas(which textbooks used in Texas usually move to the rest of the country) have sections where the only source is breitbart and other right wing media sources. Link?
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Oct 21, 2014 22:36
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My Imaginary GF posted:Wait, is that supposed to be a bad thing? Thats what got me started as a Democrat. Are you actually Jeff Smith?
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Oct 21, 2014 22:37
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My Imaginary GF posted:Davis can't even make hay over Perry's European vacation during the Ebola crisis and how her vision for Texas wouldn't have let this happen, I doubt going hard left or hard right will get her any votes. To be fair, she's not running against Rick Perry. Also she put out the wheelchair ad, so whoever's in charge of her campaign is literally retarded. Nothing would help.
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Oct 21, 2014 22:47
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Khisanth Magus posted:Some of the new textbooks being considered in Texas(which textbooks used in Texas usually move to the rest of the country) have sections where the only source is breitbart and other right wing media sources. Things like Texas effectively dictating the nation's schoolbooks is part of why people who think the GOP is just going to die out with age are dumb. Say hello to a new generation being raised on extreme right wing propaganda.
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Oct 21, 2014 22:48
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Badger of Basra posted:To be fair, she's not running against Rick Perry. Also she put out the wheelchair ad, so whoever's in charge of her campaign is literally retarded. Nothing would help. Nor is Abbott actually running against Obama. Doesn't stop him from making it a race between Abbott and Obama. I completely agree Davis' campaign is retarded. I wish every state could have as decent a party operation as Illinois--Quinn excluded.
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Oct 21, 2014 22:50
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My Imaginary GF posted:Nor is Abbott actually running against Obama. Doesn't stop him from making it a race between Abbott and Obama. You're not as smart as you pretend to be if you think Rick Perry is anywhere as unpopular in Texas as Obama is.
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Oct 21, 2014 22:53
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Badger of Basra posted:You're not as smart as you pretend to be if you think Rick Perry is anywhere as unpopular in Texas as Obama is. I'm saying Perry has plenty of enemies outside Texas who'd be more than happy to help bring him down a peg. Unless Davis runs a campaign portrayinga vote for Abbott as a vote for Obama, I don't see how a campaign against Abbott can win.
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Oct 21, 2014 22:57
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My Imaginary GF posted:I'm saying Perry has plenty of enemies outside Texas who'd be more than happy to help bring him down a peg. Unless Davis runs a campaign portrayinga vote for Abbott as a vote for Obama, I don't see how a campaign against Abbott can win. Abbot already drew the link between Obama and Davis in an ad. Game over man . Game over. As a student of politics, it's well maneuvered. Exploit the fears of your constituents of the big black man. As a human being, I was disgusted at both Abbot and dismayed that people will be dumb enough to buy it.
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Dante Logos posted:Abbot already drew the link between Obama and Davis in an ad. Game over man . Game over. Its a repeat of the last midterm strategy, make every election about Obama rather than your local candidate. There is no unifying figure on the Republican side so well known with any actual power. I dunno, maybe a national campaign to make every race this midterm a choice between voting for Obama and voting for Scalia?
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Didn't the Dems make most campaigns in '06 and '08 about voting against Bush, with '08 being about voting against the continuation of Bush? EDIT: Also,  made me do a double-take on their front page:
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Oct 21, 2014 23:31
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Munkeymon posted:Bedroom communities full of upper middle class white people? The furor seems to have been entirely a creation of the Beltway villagers, who got a stick up their collective rear end about the mere mention of her opponent's disability as a sign she wanted to impersonate Richard Widmark in Kiss of Death. No honest reasonable person could watch the ad and come away with the idea that Abbot was being attacked for his disability and not his shameless right-wing hypocrisy and sadism. Amergin posted:Didn't the Dems make most campaigns in '06 and '08 about voting against Bush, with '08 being about voting against the continuation of Bush? Dems made '06 and '08 about opposing the Republican Party's policies, which were(despite post-facto spin by the GOP) Bush's policies. Republicans are making '14 not about policy, which they are allergic to discussing for obvious reasons, but about "black demmy-crat in the White House! Boo!"
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Oct 22, 2014 00:17
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Amergin posted:Didn't the Dems make most campaigns in '06 and '08 about voting against Bush, with '08 being about voting against the continuation of Bush? I think the GOP did that on their own.
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Amergin posted:Didn't the Dems make most campaigns in '06 and '08 about voting against Bush, with '08 being about voting against the continuation of Bush? Yes. It was a major factor in their success in those cycles. Good point.
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Evil Fluffy posted:Things like Texas effectively dictating the nation's schoolbooks is part of why people who think the GOP is just going to die out with age are dumb. Say hello to a new generation being raised on extreme right wing propaganda. White people are making up a smaller and smaller portion of youth so even if that dumb fantasy is true it's still not appealing to minorities.
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Oct 22, 2014 00:23
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The Insect Court posted:Dems made '06 and '08 about opposing the Republican Party's policies, which were(despite post-facto spin by the GOP) Bush's policies. Really? Because I'm hearing mostly rhetoric against the Democratic Party's policies, which are Obama's policies, such as the ACA. Not really hearing "Republicans are voting Republican because the president is black" except from liberals who can't fathom why some people disagree with their political ideas.
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mcmagic posted:So BREITBART NEWS is now getting White House Press credentials? Really? Is it that hard to imagine? Think about it from the perspective of the press secretary. You could let in Pacifica Blogger Libby McMasterson who's going to ask a bunch of tough questions from the left about Obama's drone program or lack of any more action on combatting racist drug laws -or- you can let in a Breitbart Blogger Tinny McFoilstein who's going to ask you about Obama being secretly gay married to Larry Sinclair which you can easily laugh off. If you're trying to run out the clock during press conferences which people would you let in? The more crazies there are the fewer tough questions that have to be taken. ErIog fucked around with this message at 00:55 on Oct 22, 2014 |
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Oct 22, 2014 00:51
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Amergin posted:Really? Because I'm hearing mostly rhetoric against the Democratic Party's policies, which are Obama's policies, such as the ACA. Except Bush really did wreck the economy, as opposed to conservative criticism of the ACA
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Oct 22, 2014 00:53
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Oh no, not the EPA 
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Oct 22, 2014 00:56
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Except Bush really did wreck the economy, as opposed to conservative criticism of the ACA Fact Check: Mostly False. It was his policies that wrecked the economy, not Bush himself. 
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Oct 22, 2014 01:01
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Chokes McGee posted:Grimes is currently in the middle of trying this. shes down 1 point in the latest KY Sen poll
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Except Bush really did wreck the economy, as opposed to conservative criticism of the ACA In 2006 the economy was not wrecked - far from it, actually. The ACA's full implementation (if it's even finished at this point) hasn't been around for long enough for anyone to definitively say it was a net boon/detriment to the economy. But this is getting away from the point - Republicans are focusing on an anti-Obama message for the same reasons Dems focused on an anti-Bush message in 2006/2008: because it works.
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