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twoot
Oct 29, 2012

The Tories' open primary in Rochester might leave a Tory win up to the courts because of all the money they are spending which they don't think counts as official election expenses.

Judges could overturn a Tory victory in Rochester, lawyers say

quote:

Are the Conservatives about to come a huge cropper with David Cameron’s extremely expensive primary election in Rochester?

A couple of Britain’s top election lawyers say the primary which the Conservatives are currently holding to pick their candidate for the Rochester and Strood by-election could open the by-election result to serious challenge in an election court.

Last week I argued that the Conservative primary, the result of which will be announced on Thursday, might breach the spirit of the legal spending limits which are imposed on parliamentary elections.

Oh please do drag this UKIP poo poo out for even longer you incompetent fucks.

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Breath Ray
Nov 19, 2010
With this and growing public spending, the Tories aren't going to be able to offer any pre-election sweeteners. Looks like labour is back in business boys

sebzilla
Mar 17, 2009

Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.


Guavanaut posted:

Sounds like a good idea, as long as it goes in GBS.

Already got the Sausage thread.

Phoon
Apr 23, 2010

sebzilla posted:

Already got the Sausage thread.

No bickering in the sausage thread.

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.
In case anyone's wondering on the community/party divisions on the Nordic model in the Assembly yesterday: the entire Other block (Alliance, NI21, and Green) but one voted against, as did the ex-NI21 Unionist; as implied, the Unionists and Nationalists both voted otherwise solely for the clause.

Jippa
Feb 13, 2009

Endjinneer posted:

Oooh, exciting! 205 high quality posts to lighten up my evening after a hard day's work.

Oh no wait...

Yes please can some one make a separate thread for all the petty squabbling it's so tedious.

Fluo
May 25, 2007

Phoon posted:

No bickering in the sausage thread.

I enjoy it, we could get up a village with the skills of the sausage thread posters!

gorki
Aug 9, 2014

Fluo posted:

I enjoy it, we could get up a village with the skills of the sausage thread posters!

dibs on idiot :iamafag:

Mighty Steed
Apr 16, 2005
Nice horsey

namesake posted:

Hey everyone read this, it involves the UK, history, welfare, politics, economics and universal basic income so everyone should be interested in it:

http://internationalsocialistnetwor...campaign=buffer

Personally I'm astounded by how good it it. I don't understand why they're so insistent on universal basic income not being the same as negative income tax when it really, really is but I'm guessing they've had some annoying arguments with someone over it or possibly are just loath to recommend anything associated with Friedman.

Informative read, thanks for sharing.

Think one of the main points I got from it is that all of the efforts have been directed at persecuting those on benefits, rather than attempting to address the reasons that people are on benefits. That may seem obvious, but it's summarised pretty well.

Breath Ray
Nov 19, 2010

Jippa posted:

Yes please can some one make a separate thread for all the petty squabbling it's so tedious.

If someone makes one, I'll be sure to include a link in next month's op

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
For everyone who was able to vote in the last general election, what parties were you capable of voting for locally? I was in one of the lucky places that had someone from the NF up for election. Wasn't that many fewer votes than the UKIP and BNP candidates who were the only available people to vote for other than the main 3 parties.

thehustler
Apr 17, 2004

I am very curious about this little crescendo

CoolCab posted:

Iqaluit, Nunavut.

I am totally obsessed with Iqaluit and would love to go there one day. Or just Northern Canada in general. I priced up a holiday to Whitehorse once to do all sorts of outdoor activities and it was incredibly expensive :(

Mind you I'm just obsessed with anything Canadian:

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead

Jose posted:

For everyone who was able to vote in the last general election, what parties were you capable of voting for locally?

The usual selection of lib dems, labour, conservative, ukip, and greens plus some lot calling themselves Cambridge Socialists and an independent who apparently writes this libertarian blog and stood under his blogging pseudonym.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

thehustler posted:

I am totally obsessed with Iqaluit and would love to go there one day. Or just Northern Canada in general. I priced up a holiday to Whitehorse once to do all sorts of outdoor activities and it was incredibly expensive :(

Mind you I'm just obsessed with anything Canadian:



It's very cold and very, very expensive; people only go up for work and every job pays ridiculous amounts of money, but 4L of milk cost 14 dollars after being subsidized (and comes in bags). It was actually my "civilization", we first moved to Hall Beach and went insane, the isolation and other unpleasant social factors made me bug out. Nothing else like it, I will give it that. Skidooing around the abandoned DEW line radar interceptors (shipped and put up at enormous cost and made redundant within a decade) these colossal black almost pixelated obelisks of cold war technology, abandoned to the tundra for fifty years, is one of my most vivid memories full stop. There is nothing in the world like hiking for a half hour, looking around and seeing nothing but endless unforgiving tundra, seeing and hearing nothing created by human hands, looking up to see the sky is on fire, and the moon is so massive and vivid and bright it almost looks artificial and strange; like walking on another planet.

Also gently caress Don Cherry but he's right about fighting in hockey. What thread is this again?

Wolfsbane
Jul 29, 2009

What time is it, Eccles?

Farecoal posted:

Someone from the Isle of Mann

I assumed I was the only person here from the Isle of Man. Are there others?

thehustler
Apr 17, 2004

I am very curious about this little crescendo

CoolCab posted:

Also gently caress Don Cherry but he's right about fighting in hockey. What thread is this again?

He's a massive xenophobe and would fit right in this thread at the moment.

Or something.

PS the Isle of Man is loving rad I love it there. Going on top of Snaefell and being able to see England, Scotland, Wales and NI on a clear day is just amazing. Also seals!

Manic_Misanthrope
Jul 1, 2010


Jose posted:

For everyone who was able to vote in the last general election, what parties were you capable of voting for locally? I was in one of the lucky places that had someone from the NF up for election. Wasn't that many fewer votes than the UKIP and BNP candidates who were the only available people to vote for other than the main 3 parties.

Think I got English Democrats last time

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.

LemonDrizzle posted:

The usual selection of lib dems, labour, conservative, ukip, and greens plus some lot calling themselves Cambridge Socialists and an independent who apparently writes this libertarian blog and stood under his blogging pseudonym.

Best watch out for UKIP, Electoral Calculus thinks they might get 16% in your constituency! :ohdear:

Also, you forgot the best Cambridge candidate ever. Puffles for Prime Minister. :colbert:

thehustler
Apr 17, 2004

I am very curious about this little crescendo

TinTower posted:

Also, you forgot the best Cambridge candidate ever. Puffles for Prime Minister. :colbert:

Ahhh I loving love Puffles! Great on Twitter

StoneOfShame
Jul 28, 2013

This is the best kitchen ever.

TinTower posted:

In case anyone's wondering on the community/party divisions on the Nordic model in the Assembly yesterday: the entire Other block (Alliance, NI21, and Green) but one voted against, as did the ex-NI21 Unionist; as implied, the Unionists and Nationalists both voted otherwise solely for the clause.

Its a division solely based on the beliefs of the old guard versus the new rather than traditional community divisions which make it a pretty interesting vote for Stormont. This has been the only worthwhile thing discussed the last few pages.

StoneOfShame fucked around with this message at 11:55 on Oct 22, 2014

Rude Dude With Tude
Apr 19, 2007

Your President approves this text.

Jose posted:

For everyone who was able to vote in the last general election, what parties were you capable of voting for locally? I was in one of the lucky places that had someone from the NF up for election. Wasn't that many fewer votes than the UKIP and BNP candidates who were the only available people to vote for other than the main 3 parties.

I had the main 3, the Greens, the English Democrats, the Workers Revolutionary Party, Socialist Labour, the Alliance for Workers Liberty and 3 independents. There is a labour majority of over 17000 so it is pointless.

Also Mike Read has banned his UKIP calypso record

@suttonnick posted:

Mike Read: "I am so sorry that the song unintentionally caused offence...I have told the record company to withdraw the single immediately."

More left wing media censorship, keeping down the Silent Majority of the UKIP.

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.

StoneOfShame posted:

Its a division solely based on theblijes of the old guard versus the new rather than traditional community divisions which make it a pretty interesting vote for Stormont. This has been the only worthwhile thing discussed the last few pages.

From what I can tell, Sinn Fein probably did at least a two-line whip on it; there's one MLA in particular I expected better of (who didn't speak in the debate). The DUP three-line whip on nearly everything as a matter of course.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

-~Skullwave~-

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad posted:

Also Mike Read has banned his UKIP calypso record

@suttonnick posted:

Mike Read: "I am so sorry that the song unintentionally caused offence...I have told the record company to withdraw the single immediately."
Someone was clearly away on insincere "apology" training day. Saying sorry and allowing that the song caused offence is as good as an admission of guilt. The proper form is "I regret that some people felt offended", that way you don't admit it's your fault and make it sound like a minority of fun haters getting up in arms about nothing.

StoneOfShame
Jul 28, 2013

This is the best kitchen ever.
Which SF MLA are you referring it could be the case knowning NI of them being stuck with a very traditional, rural voter base who would want to either see sex workers treated as criminals or absolutely no acknowledgement that sex work exists. The latter wouldn't be surprising as particularly in rural areas their was mass opposition to the HPV vaccine as people believed it would encourage promiscuity as the 'wee cuddys' would think its sad to go out and fornicate, I used to help with classes on the vaccine with the WRDA.

Anyway the laws not going to be enforced Alban MacGinness was saying on Talkback there that the PSNI would be catching people by monitoring credit card transactions and internet traffic. I didn't even think sex workers were going to be getting paid by card but maybe I'm behind the times here. I'm pretty sure if I asked my ex how she would be policing this (and she would be opposed to anything that doesn't protect sex workers) she would say something like, 'Its irrelevant what Stormont want us to enforce we'll get right to it as soon as people stop shooting at houses in Derry.'

Shelf Adventure
Jul 18, 2006
I'm down with that brother
I'm sure everyone here has had the trouble of trying to find your country in a drop down menu - is it under United Kingdom, Great Britain, England, is United Kingdom at the top because it's a common choice?

I just had one online form that was in alphabetical order except for United Kingdom. Which was directly under Ireland. :confused:

Breath Ray
Nov 19, 2010
It's generally under United Kingdom. Personally I think it should be order of countries with greatest internet penetration.

StoneOfShame
Jul 28, 2013

This is the best kitchen ever.
Decent Alliance MP Naomi Long will be calling for the OSA to be suspended to day to help with historical abuse investigations about Kincora Boy's Home. Essentially Naomi Lo g has been campaigning to allow whistleblowers and witnesses to give evidence about security forces involvement in covering up what went on there. It was said yesterday that Kincora would be excluded from any further home office investigations so this is pretty much her last chance to get the truth out.

The full article from her website http://www.naomilong.com/component/...whistle-blowers

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

Shelf Adventure posted:

I'm sure everyone here has had the trouble of trying to find your country in a drop down menu - is it under United Kingdom, Great Britain, England, is United Kingdom at the top because it's a common choice?

I just had one online form that was in alphabetical order except for United Kingdom. Which was directly under Ireland. :confused:

In windows at least, type the first few letters or digits and it will jump right down there.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Jose posted:

For everyone who was able to vote in the last general election, what parties were you capable of voting for locally? I was in one of the lucky places that had someone from the NF up for election. Wasn't that many fewer votes than the UKIP and BNP candidates who were the only available people to vote for other than the main 3 parties.

Aberdeen South was (in order) Lab, Lib, Con, SNP, BNP, Green and SACL.

HortonNash
Oct 10, 2012

Jose posted:

For everyone who was able to vote in the last general election, what parties were you capable of voting for locally? I was in one of the lucky places that had someone from the NF up for election. Wasn't that many fewer votes than the UKIP and BNP candidates who were the only available people to vote for other than the main 3 parties.

i had a wonderful choice of candidates both in 2010 and the 2012 by-election (caused by the death of Malcolm Wicks).

I didn't even know there was a 9/11 Truther party.

Breath Ray
Nov 19, 2010
You might think that's a coincidence, but what if it isn't?

breadshaped
Apr 1, 2010


Soiled Meat

Shelf Adventure posted:

except for United Kingdom. Which was directly under Ireland. :confused:

I'm not seeing a problem here. :shrug:

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead
Private landlords now own almost one fifth of the country's housing stock.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...-landlords.html

quote:

An army of two million private landlords now own and rent out five million properties, according to the report by mortgage lender Paragon. This means 18pc of households now rent from private landlords. And the proportion is growing, as investors continue to see property as a source of future income and profit.
The Government's own figures suggest that by 2032, more than one in three properties will be owned by private landlords.
The report "18 Years of Buy-to-Let" drew on information from a range of sources and was published to mark the eighteenth year since the “invention” of buy-to-let. That was 1996, the first year in which mortgages specially aimed at private landlords were made available.
The number of properties owned via buy-to-let grew has almost doubled in the period, it said, and is now worth a total £1 trillion.
Buy-to-let became hugely popular in the housing boom of 2005-2007 when property investment “clubs” proliferated and thousands of investors bought newly-built flats without even viewing them. But the widely-predicted bust never followed. The banking crisis led to a mortgage drought which prevented younger generations from buying, and instead swelled the pool of renters. At the same time plunging interest rates cut mortgage costs and helped many amateur landlords hang onto to their properties, even if they were in negative equity.
The buy-to-let boom has gathered pace in the past few years with mortgage lending rising at over 20pc per year and the number of available landlord loans now topping 700.

I assume that all of those tenants have simply decided that the returns and risk profile of property ownership aren't sufficiently tempting, and are using the funds they would otherwise have invested into a deposit on a house to build up well balanced and healthily diversified asset portfolios.

e: more than half of all new homes constructed since 1986 are being let out in the private market.

tdrules
Jan 12, 2014
‘Humanitarian’ campaign launched to stop Labour’s mansion tax
http://www.hamhigh.co.uk/news/humanitarian_campaign_launched_to_stop_labour_s_mansion_tax_1_3809207

quote:

A former government medical adviser has launched a campaign calling for the Labour Party to scrap its controversial mansion tax plans, insisting it’s a “humanitarian” issue.

quote:

Last week, Labour peer Lord Melvyn Bragg joined Labour’s Hampstead and Kilburn MP Glenda Jackson in opposing the mansion tax, describing it as a “crude weapon” and warning it could have “wiped out Hampstead as a Labour seat”.

quote:

Art dealer James Butterwick, who lives in Hammersmith and is backing the campaign, said the proposed tax would force him to sell his home and business.

“I have a gallery in my house and in order to survive I’d have to close my gallery,” he said.

“For me it would mean the closing of my business, the selling of my house and a complete upheaval of everything that I hold dear.

“The person I’m most concerned about is my mother who lives in a house which is probably worth £4m, which my father bought in 1960. She would have to move and at the age of 77 it would be extremely traumatic for her.”

E A T T H E R I C H

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

This is a silly post with little news value.

thehustler posted:

This thread is loving poo poo.

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

This is a silly post with little news value.

art dealer James Butterwick's complaints seem to be entirely covered already by caveats in the Labour proposal.
what a fanny.

Fluo
May 25, 2007

LemonDrizzle posted:

Private landlords now own almost one fifth of the country's housing stock.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...-landlords.html


I assume that all of those tenants have simply decided that the returns and risk profile of property ownership aren't sufficiently tempting, and are using the funds they would otherwise have invested into a deposit on a house to build up well balanced and healthily diversified asset portfolios.

e: more than half of all new homes constructed since 1986 are being let out in the private market.

This pissed me off quite a bit when at the tobacco factory (no not the one in North Street, the one which was made of cor-ten steel which was the HQ of Imperial Tobacco) they all pretty much got bought out, the ones left were this weird thing where people only paid half for the apartments so if you want to live there you have to pay the other half and then pay rent aswell to the person who paid the other half.

The idea behind it is so people who can't afford to get onto the ladder can buy a place but what it has turned into is rich hedgefund types (and Bristol Mayor among other rich types) paying for half the apartment which if you want to rent you can't, you have to buy the other half and then pay rent to the person who owns the other half. Shared ownership is good in theory but if you want to live there it loving sucks.

Oh also parking is £50 a month if you're renting. :I



Before



After


It's a really nice place and I would have moved there but I would have been happy to pay the £140,000. Rather than pay £70,000 and then have to pay £480-900 a month and never be able own the whole thing as the other half is enjoying after 2 years having £21,600 already paid off his £70,000 investment. :I

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.
So Mike Read insists it's not racist to sing in a mock Caribbean accent. :negative:

That said, "he's appears more than Dimbleby on Question Time" is a brilliant line.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer
If you want to beat the landlords remember to vote for some pointless party that won't win in the General election so we keep the Tories in power. Devolution is coming and it certainly won't be done in the worst possible way that fucks everyone over. Hail Satin! So smooth, so silky.

Regarde Aduck fucked around with this message at 14:22 on Oct 22, 2014

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StoneOfShame
Jul 28, 2013

This is the best kitchen ever.
Reading through this and not wanting to jump to any conclusions but Gerry Adams is seeming pretty disingenuous to me here also it looks like we can tell where the SWP learnt how to deal with sexual assault cases internally.
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/gerry-adams-personally-horrified-by-cahill-allegations-1.1966183?page=1

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