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Seconding priest + conscripts, it is just way easier than trying to kill invisible things. Even better, kill what's casting Invisibility. I know that's Be'lakor, but like any unique hardass, he is a big target. Just snap shoot a gently caress load of stuff at him and when he's dead that's it. Why not take a culexus over a vindicare? Vindicare's problem is a hard time dealing with the combination of invisibility, multiple wounds and invulnerable saves. A culexus may stop psychic powers going off in the first place, especially if you go first. Forget 'trying' to get a specific warlord trait. It's a 1/6 chance, not something to plan on. If you need to kill back field camping unit, I would take artillery. I do think your changes are good so far, but things like grenade launchers and lord commissars - you shouldn't really be taking that sort of thing against Bel'akor, heldrakes and a kitted out lord+spawn. You need to talk to your friend about the different approach you're both taking IMO.
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Genghis Cohen posted:Seconding priest + conscripts, it is just way easier than trying to kill invisible things. Even better, kill what's casting Invisibility. I know that's Be'lakor, but like any unique hardass, he is a big target. Just snap shoot a gently caress load of stuff at him and when he's dead that's it. Worked in some conscripts, a priest and a support squad with heavy bolters for extra shots. I think you're right about the assassin choice, also I can't believe he's ten points cheaper than the Vindicare - he's insanely good. I'm already proxying my tanks, and a commissar as a priest (took out the Lord Commissar to make room for the assassin), so what's one more model? Left the grenade launchers in, because there wasn't much else I was willing to cut to make room for plasma guns. If I'm shooting invisible targets, or snap shooting a flying deamon prince I'd rather have a better chance of hurting it than outright killing myself. I'll probably regret this though, haha! Thanks for the tips guys - my buddy posts video battle reports so maybe I'll have a link to show you all how it went down. At the very least I plan on taking pictures. He's more of a competitive/tournament player than I am, but I'm trying to get better and play in a couple tournaments this year. So I don't mind playing against hard lists like this - hence asking for advice because I'm a bit clueless at the moment. Seems like there are a lot of choices in the Guard book, but many of them aren't very great for actually giving your opponent a beating. Now I'm off to eat pizza and be a ham! Edit: Good God this Culexus assassin is loving brutal - I almost feel bad, but I don't use psykers myself with this list so it kind of evens out. Sir Teabag fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Oct 21, 2014 |
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Oct 21, 2014 21:41
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CyberLord XP posted:Ork troops selections seem pretty crap in this codex. What's the recommended setup to pay the troop tax? Mobs of 20+? 'Ard boyz in Trukks? gently caress it and take 60 points worth of grots? In my recent 1500 point games I have been running two CA detachments with 4 troops choices. A min squad of grots A min squad of choppa boyz to act as ablative wounds for my SAG 18 shoota boyz in a battlewagon with a PK nob, PK warboss and a bare bones Mek 20 slugger boyz on foot with PK nob, PK megaboss with lukky stix and bare bones Mek. The units wreck face. The BW unit crosses the table in turn one going flat out and gets into combat turn 2. The foot unit plods along with the megaboss tanking small arms fire with his re rollable 2+ and LoSirs anything tats ignore his save. The unit gets into combat turn two or three depending on how the opponent manoeuvres. In close combat most attacks get piled onto the megaboss since the other characters in the unit will accept the challenges. The meks, in particular, are there to accept challenges that would otherwise be too dangerous for my PK guys. The units become ld9 with a warboss in them and are big enough to sustain a couple of rolls from the mob rule. They have so many attacks when they get into combat and with the safety of an AV14 vehicle or 2+ rerolling tank at the front they usually make it across the table and into combat in tact. This setup along with lootas, units of 3 meganobz in trukks and a smattering of other support units has been very effective for me so far.
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Cataphract posted:In my recent 1500 point games I have been running two CA detachments with 4 troops choices. Do you field koptas as tank killers?
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Indolent Bastard posted:Do you field koptas as tank killers? Indolent Bastard posted:Do you field koptas as tank killers? I run three koptas. Each as an individual unit. They have been invaluable as harassment units, tactical objective grabbers and for taking pot shots at tank side or rear armour. I also run two units of 8 lootas for anti vehicle shooting. On top of that the SAG can be useful in a pinch and I've got a heap of powerklaws spread across multiple units in vehicles. As a last resort, ramming with the battlewagon yields results.
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Got two games in using most of the suggestion that were given to me. The first game against Chaos went how I expected - though it was mostly due to my dice abandoning me. I fired two 20 man squads and 2 Leman Russ Exterminators at a unit of 2 obliterators and managed to get one wound. Everything was going fine until the bottom of turn three. Belakor finally managed to kill the Culexus that had locked him in combat for 3 turns, and the psychic shenanigans began. My warlord had the trait where you don't have to take moral checks for 25% casualties due to firing so nobody ran away for those first three turns. Belakor managed to perils himself and lost invisibility for his troubles. But his Chaos lord finally charged my unit of conscripts and chewed through it in one turn. In the end it was 7-1 on points (the scouring), had I managed to kill one more cultist to get him off an objective or if their morale had broken it would have been 7-5. It was a close fought game, and I hung on by the skin of my teeth at the end. The highlight of this game was when my blob squad with missile launchers finally ended up killing his obliterators. I can imagine them celebrating and waving their arms in the air - exhilarated at finally killing the heretics that had been harassing their forces for so long. They were rewarded by a barrage from the Master of Ordnance scattering onto them and wiping out about half the unit. They didn't break - because their commander was close enough to not need a morale check. Best 20 points I ever spent! The second game against Dark Angels everything went mostly right for me. We both had hot and cold dice throughout the game which led to some frustration. In this game my Leman Russ Exterminators were doing work, taking out combat squads left and right. The Vendettas whiffed on nearly everything all game. My guardsmen proved to be very survivable when they dug in to some cover, and the outflanking guardsmen were basically the MVPs of the game. They came in and charged a predator with a million krak greandes - wrecking it. Then hid in the wreckage and distracted his forces from concentrating on the main part of my army. We played kill points and I think I ended up winning 10-3. Both were really fun games that were hard fought the whole way through. My buddy recorded both, so I'll post the link to the bat reps when he gets them uploaded. Thanks again for the advice!
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Just put in an order for some wall of martyrs stuff, the defence line, emplacement and bunker. Man that poo poo looks cool in the pictures!
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Wheres the go-to place for ordering foam that fits into the GW cases?
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DJ Dizzy posted:Wheres the go-to place for ordering foam that fits into the GW cases? Here you go: http://krmulticase.com/trays.aspx?type=G Used Dark Lances and Haywire Blasters to take out a Space Wolves-allied Knight last night - blew it up and then got to use my Apocalyptic Blast template for the first time! it landed on one of my Raiders, but it jinked out of the way. My first win with DE, was great to be able to just pick up Maelstrom objectives nearly every turn by zipping around the board.
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DJ Dizzy posted:Wheres the go-to place for ordering foam that fits into the GW cases? Don't forget to say you were referred by the SomethingAwful.com Oath thread if you buy, does us all a favour 
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NTRabbit posted:Don't forget to say you were referred by the SomethingAwful.com Oath thread if you buy, does us all a favour Will do! (was it battlefoam or kr that literally cancelled a trip to germany because of ebola and isis)
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DJ Dizzy posted:Will do! (was it battlefoam or kr that literally cancelled a trip to germany because of ebola and isis) knowing the battlefoam guy, it was probably him :v
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DJ Dizzy posted:Will do! (was it battlefoam or kr that literally cancelled a trip to germany because of ebola and isis) quote:Hello, Holy poo poo I hadn't even heard about that what the gently caress 
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I...wanted to say something clever (hurr) to that, but all I can do is just say 'wow'. Perhaps ISIS will send Ebola-bombs to Battlefoam now? Wait. A virus bomb...it fits canon and everything! 
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Goat Bouillabaise posted:I...wanted to say something clever (hurr) to that, but all I can do is just say 'wow'. Perhaps ISIS will send Ebola-bombs to Battlefoam now? Wait. A virus bomb...it fits canon and everything! But will it fit in the laser cut foam they invented?
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DJ Dizzy posted:Wheres the go-to place for ordering foam that fits into the GW cases? If you don't want the custom-cut stuff, Gifts for Geeks sells 'Tabletop Tyrant' cases and foam that's, as far as I can tell, much cheaper - I quite like thier line, I have two of their big cases (a Tyrant and a Dreadnought).
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LingcodKilla posted:Everybody is taking pyskers these days but nobody seems to take the cullexis. I'm thinking about taking one just for fun next weekend. See the guy with the funky head gear, 02? That's what I use for a Culexus, painted a grey skull on the helmet.  I have a bunch of Inquisitors, including some that are Eldar rogues with a power glove and other funky stuff.
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I used to have number 4. I never knew the guns originally came on tripods. I thought they always had those hover platforms.
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I might actually steal that idea. I have way more Eldar Guardian crew that any one man really should. In other news, this image is proof that the beancounters don't run the design studio:  It's crazy how little work it would take to let Glotkin (the fat guy) be usable in 40k, and increase it's sales at least 3x, but unfortunately it's fantasy only,
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MasterSlowPoke posted:I might actually steal that idea. I have way more Eldar Guardian crew that any one man really should. The plastic greater demons that aren't in that picture also support your claim.
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MasterSlowPoke posted:I might actually steal that idea. I have way more Eldar Guardian crew that any one man really should. How do they justify the plastic molds for that but they can't even release a razorback and dreadnought upgrade kit with all the weapon options.
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PeterWeller posted:The plastic greater demons that aren't in that picture also support your claim. People have been saying there's going to be plastic greater daemons for over 2 years now and we still haven't seen poo poo.
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Slimnoid posted:People have been saying there's going to be plastic greater daemons for over 2 years now and we still haven't seen poo poo. He's saying that if models/rules were released due to the whims of accounting, there would be plastic greater demons.
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LingcodKilla posted:How do they justify the plastic molds for that but they can't even release a razorback and dreadnought upgrade kit with all the weapon options. Or a new Eldar jetbike 
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MasterSlowPoke posted:In other news, this image is proof that the beancounters don't run the design studio: That, or the sales drones don't understand their own products and/or customers well enough to realise there's a demand for plastic greater demons.
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Ah, the Lascannon, classic weapon of the Eldar. xtothez posted:That, or the sales drones don't understand their own products and/or customers well enough to realise there's a demand for plastic greater demons. I would lay pretty solid money on "GW doesn't actually understand the game or what the players want."
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Is this FAQ new? http://www.blacklibrary.com/Downloads/Product/PDF/Warhammer-40k/7th-faq/40K_The_Rules_v1.0_Oct14.pdf It's dated today. Yeah new FAQs for: Daemons Dark Eldar Imperial Knights Space Wolves Tau Black Legion Escalation TKIY fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Oct 22, 2014 |
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AbusePuppy posted:Ah, the Lascannon, classic weapon of the Eldar. I loved the days when every faction was using the same list of heavy weapons. I still remember them promoting 2E and touting the big advance of charging different factions different points for the same weapons because a BS4 lascannon was better than a BS3 one.
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TKIY posted:Is this FAQ new? http://www.blacklibrary.com/Downloads/Product/PDF/Warhammer-40k/7th-faq/40K_The_Rules_v1.0_Oct14.pdf Unfortunately the DE one is a dead link for me.
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Rapey Joe Stalin posted:Unfortunately the DE one is a dead link for me. same here and Space Wolves contains no update (even date in FAQ doesn't show updated). BRB looks like nothing updated either... so why list it? Maybe it isn't uploaded yet? EDIT: apparantly if you download the full pack at the top they are working. Ghost Hand fucked around with this message at 20:18 on Oct 22, 2014 |
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Rapey Joe Stalin posted:Unfortunately the DE one is a dead link for me. It works if you add ".pdf" on the end of the link.
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MasterSlowPoke posted:I might actually steal that idea. I have way more Eldar Guardian crew that any one man really should. The new thing they're doing now that everyone hates finecast is making these elaborate plastic models with switchable parts so that a single kit can make 3-4 unique characters. I haven't bought a warham in like a decade so I dont know how it works in practice but in theory that's really cool. Same with those three super detailed skull horse guys, apparently they all come from a single kit. OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 21:44 on Oct 22, 2014 |
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Slimnoid posted:People have been saying there's going to be plastic greater daemons for over 2 years now and we still haven't seen poo poo. They held onto the plastic Daemon Prince for nearly 3 years to be fair.
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Ugly John posted:It works if you add ".pdf" on the end of the link. Not much there anyhow. Succubus has the option to take a Glaive for 20pts. That's about it.
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serious gaylord posted:They held onto the plastic Daemon Prince for nearly 3 years to be fair. And yet the old daemon prince truly is the prince of daemons 
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serious gaylord posted:They held onto the plastic Daemon Prince for nearly 3 years to be fair. Probably out of shame.
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The plastic Prince is cool, you leave him alone.
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Sir Teabag posted:Got two games in using most of the suggestion that were given to me. Glad it worked out. I've had a Master of Ordnance whiff three times in a row before landing a direct hit on the squad next to the one he was aiming at, wiping them out. It's super random, but for 20 points it's hilarious.
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NTRabbit posted:Or a new Eldar jetbike AbusePuppy posted:Ah, the Lascannon, classic weapon of the Eldar. panascope posted:The best assassin model is the Olde Timey one with authentic ninja sandals, which is what I used as Marbo for a long time. Now it'll be a great Culexus! 
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