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MacheteZombie posted:I figured it was to prevent diseased or weirdly experimented (like dosed with LSD all day or something that changes the rabbits behaviors drastically) rabbits from entering the public sphere, but the re-use concern is probably more correct. It's both really, I imagine there's a risk of some 'harmless' seeming lab animals suddenly developing serious problems that could be very bad if they were, say, taken home by a scientist's friend or something, but yea the main issue is usually 'you cannot keep testing the same animal over and over, not only is it bad science it's cruel to the animal'. It's a bummer but it's the safest thing to do for everything involved.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:It's both really, I imagine there's a risk of some 'harmless' seeming lab animals suddenly developing serious problems that could be very bad if they were, say, taken home by a scientist's friend or something, but yea the main issue is usually 'you cannot keep testing the same animal over and over, not only is it bad science it's cruel to the animal'. It's a bummer but it's the safest thing to do for everything involved. Yeah. Though I have to expect the "contaminating other studies" is a bigger concern. Sure you don't want those hyper aggressive foxes getting loose and killing people, but experiments like that are relatively rare. A bigger concern is having to report "we may have found that gummy bears cure cancer... Or Johnson's LSD experiments may have interfered with the control group. So while we didn't learn anything, we'd like more funding" Still stupid that Coburn's report quibbles over stuff like this though, while not touching tax expenditures or subsidies or any of the big boondoggles
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Any time someone complains about wasteful government spending just yell "F-35" at them until they go away or you pass out.
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Oct 22, 2014 21:50
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SubponticatePoster posted:Any time someone complains about wasteful government spending just yell "F-35" at them until they go away or you pass out. You seem to think the F-35 is a defense project. Its not. Its a politically acceptable national jobs program.
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Oct 22, 2014 21:53
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My Imaginary GF posted:You seem to think the F-35 is a defense project. Its not. Its a politically acceptable national jobs program. It's even going to create some job openings for new pilots! E: and some exciting search-and-rescue opportunities.
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Oct 22, 2014 22:30
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My Imaginary GF posted:You seem to think the F-35 is a defense project. Its not. Its a politically acceptable national jobs program. It's usually yelled at people who think government cannot create jobs.
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Oct 22, 2014 22:30
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Munkeymon posted:It's even going to create some job openings for new pilots! Sometimes you have to break a window to put a glassmaker to work.
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Oct 22, 2014 22:32
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My Imaginary GF posted:You seem to think the F-35 is a defense project. Its not. Its a politically acceptable national jobs program. More like a politically acceptable profit subsidy to defense contractors.
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Oct 22, 2014 22:46
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It helps American companies like Boeing.
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Oct 22, 2014 22:48
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Quote of the day, “If the Republicans don’t take back Congress, we’re not going to be a world power anymore.” ~ Rapid City, SD business owner Dave Meister, on why he's voting for Mike Rounds.
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Oct 22, 2014 22:49
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Zeitgueist posted:More like a politically acceptable profit subsidy to defense contractors.
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Oct 22, 2014 22:55
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SubponticatePoster posted:How many zeroes are in a trillion? I'd like to figure out how big of a check every citizen would get if they just handed it out instead. About $3k/person.
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Oct 22, 2014 23:13
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Clearly you don't understand inflation. If we just handed out money to everybody prices would rise. But if we give money to specific organizations that know how to spend it, we will all be richer. A rising tide lifts all boats.
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Oct 22, 2014 23:19
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Shbobdb posted:Clearly you don't understand inflation. If we just handed out money to everybody prices would rise. But if we give money to specific organizations that know how to spend it, we will all be richer. A rising tide lifts all boats. Not necessarily, no. Inflation is a market-based taxation on perception of ability to pay back debt. If we issued 3k/person and defaulted on our credit obligations, yes, you could expect inflation to occur. Without the default, no, inflation does not occur.
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Oct 22, 2014 23:22
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My Imaginary GF posted:Not necessarily, no. Inflation is a market-based taxation on perception of ability to pay back debt. If we issued 3k/person and defaulted on our credit obligations, yes, you could expect inflation to occur. Without the default, no, inflation does not occur. Whoooosh
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Bonus quote of the day, "Does anyone doubt that former Alabama Gov. George Wallace was a racist, after he banned blacks from attending the state’s university in the 1960s? So too can anyone refute that Obama’s not even temporarily banning West Africans from entering the United States is also as least de facto racism, as this high risk caper puts whites and others at risk at the expense of not even temporarily 'inconveniencing' his fellow Africans. Wallace and Obama are both despicable and both to be condemned to the trash heap of history for their actions." ~ Larry Klayman
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:Whoooosh Coincidentally, default is a mainstream position of one major American political party. You'll never guess which!
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Larry Klayman must've heard that the Clintons will be running for office again.
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Sir Tonk posted:Larry Klayman must've heard that the Clintons will be running for office again. "You're a cheap hack, and if you come after Leo I'm gonna bust you like a pinata." Sam talking all white collar tough - and not to one of those fancy, expensive hacks either. Anyway, that's Larry Klayman in my mind now, though my recollection is that during the Bush years he did actually file some suits that were ideologically anti-Republican (not sure if they were just ultra-conservative though, can't recall).
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Oct 22, 2014 23:46
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Joementum posted:Quote of the day, “If the Republicans don’t take back Congress, we’re not going to be a world power anymore.” ~ Rapid City, SD business owner Dave Meister, on why he's voting for Mike Rounds. Eh, I've heard the "because of OBUMMER America's status as the world's leader is eroding!" line as early as 2009.
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Gohmert of the day, "I've had people say, 'Hey, you know, there's nothing wrong with gays in the military. Look at the Greeks,' Well, you know, they did have people come along who they loved that was the same sex and would give them massages before they went into battle. But you know what, it's a different kind of fighting, it's a different kind of war and if you're sitting around getting massages all day ready to go into a big, planned battle, then you're not going to last very long. It's guerrilla fighting. You are going to be ultimately vulnerable to terrorism and if that's what you start doing in the military like the Greeks did ... as people have said, 'Louie, you have got to understand, you don't even know your history.' Oh yes I do. I know exactly. It's not a good idea." See, this is where the powers of a Congressman should really be used. Can we get the Army War College to write up a study on the effectiveness of massages in counterinsurgency combat compared to classical phalanx maneuvers?
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Joementum posted:See, this is where the powers of a Congressman should really be used. Can we get the Army War College to write up a study on the effectiveness of massages in counterinsurgency combat compared to classical phalanx maneuvers? If this is your way to ask about comfort women, 
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Oct 22, 2014 23:52
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:Eh, I've heard the "because of OBUMMER America's status as the world's leader is eroding!" line as early as 2009. As early as 2004, actually. But replace OBUMMER with BUSH.
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Oct 22, 2014 23:55
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Joementum posted:Gohmert of the day, "I've had people say, 'Hey, you know, there's nothing wrong with gays in the military. Look at the Greeks,' Well, you know, they did have people come along who they loved that was the same sex and would give them massages before they went into battle. But you know what, it's a different kind of fighting, it's a different kind of war and if you're sitting around getting massages all day ready to go into a big, planned battle, then you're not going to last very long. It's guerrilla fighting. You are going to be ultimately vulnerable to terrorism and if that's what you start doing in the military like the Greeks did ... as people have said, 'Louie, you have got to understand, you don't even know your history.' Oh yes I do. I know exactly. It's not a good idea." First they massaged the rabbits and I did not speak up, for I was not a small furry animal. Then they massaged the gays in the military and I just couldn't let the republic fall like the Greeks of old.
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Debate & Discussion: We tortured some folks › US Politics November: Louie, you don't even know your history. Oh yes I do. I know exactly.
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SquadronROE posted:As early as 2004, actually. But replace OBUMMER with BUSH. Actually as early as 2003. But replace an american voice with actual foreigners because I had to deal with them asking me what on earth was going on when the US invaded Iraq after Afghanistan.
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My Imaginary GF posted:If this is your way to ask about comfort women, Well, according to learned military scholar Louie Gohmert, it's imperative that it's a really gay massage. So the only troops that get counterinsurgency massages from comfort women are some of the pilots.
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Gyges posted:Well, according to learned military scholar Louie Gohmert, it's imperative that it's a really gay massage. So the only troops that get counterinsurgency massages from comfort women are some of the pilots. If the inclinations of Illinois Congressmen who've flown COIN missions are anything to go by, those aren't women.
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My Imaginary GF posted:If the inclinations of Illinois Congressmen who've flown COIN missions are anything to go by, those aren't women. I think I saw a documentary on this subject once, involving beach volleyball.
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Joementum posted:I think I saw a documentary on this subject once, involving beach volleyball. Ah, you saw Aaron's "About Me" section.
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Joementum posted:Gohmert of the day, "I've had people say, 'Hey, you know, there's nothing wrong with gays in the military. Look at the Greeks,' Well, you know, they did have people come along who they loved that was the same sex and would give them massages before they went into battle. But you know what, it's a different kind of fighting, it's a different kind of war and if you're sitting around getting massages all day ready to go into a big, planned battle, then you're not going to last very long. It's guerrilla fighting. You are going to be ultimately vulnerable to terrorism and if that's what you start doing in the military like the Greeks did ... as people have said, 'Louie, you have got to understand, you don't even know your history.' Oh yes I do. I know exactly. It's not a good idea." This sounds like the seeds of the best Mythbusters episode ever
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Joementum posted:Bonus quote of the day, "Does anyone doubt that former Alabama Gov. George Wallace was a racist, after he banned blacks from attending the state’s university in the 1960s? So too can anyone refute that Obama’s not even temporarily banning West Africans from entering the United States is also as least de facto racism, as this high risk caper puts whites and others at risk at the expense of not even temporarily 'inconveniencing' his fellow Africans. Wallace and Obama are both despicable and both to be condemned to the trash heap of history for their actions." ~ Larry Klayman And people probably think I'm exaggerating when I say that the GOP's messaging is the Fourteen Words. 
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Joementum posted:Bonus quote of the day, "Does anyone doubt that former Alabama Gov. George Wallace was a racist, after he banned blacks from attending the state’s university in the 1960s? So too can anyone refute that Obama’s not even temporarily banning West Africans from entering the United States is also as least de facto racism, as this high risk caper puts whites and others at risk at the expense of not even temporarily 'inconveniencing' his fellow Africans. Wallace and Obama are both despicable and both to be condemned to the trash heap of history for their actions." ~ Larry Klayman What? 
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ReindeerF posted:I enjoyed the portrayal of him as Claypool by Diehl, the character actor, in The West Wing. Oh poo poo that's who annoying FOIA guy is supposed to be?
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Oct 23, 2014 01:36
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MickeyFinn posted:What? "Clearly NOT banning black people is just as racist as banning them  "
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Oh poo poo that's who annoying FOIA guy is supposed to be?
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For people encountering Larry Klayman for the first time, this character in The West Wing was directly based on him. He did that, but with Bill Clinton's penis all throughout the 90s. He was the only person who took the subject more seriously than Ken Starr did and there probably wouldn't have been Monica without Klayman keeping the fire warm for it. More recently he's appeared outside the White House at various Tea Party rallies yelling for Obama to "put the Koran down and come out with his hands up". He has said his goal is to perform a citizens arrest of Obama and try him in a court where Larry is Judge, Jury and... maybe some other functions too.
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Joementum posted:He has said his goal is to perform a citizens arrest of Obama and try him in a court where Larry is Judge, Jury and... maybe some other functions too. I feel like Rick Perry could remember the third function here. He's pretty good at that function, unfortunately.
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So a guy I know from high school just commented on this article about voter ID laws. His comments were: 1. "...never been in a bar, never picked up baseball tickets at the will call window, never bought cigarettes..." 2. "...never purchased cold medicine, never opened a bank account, never applied for a loan, never donated blood, never applied for unemployment or other government assistance, never got a hunting/fishing license..." 3. "This would be a great sociological experiment. Find a human being who would actually be disenfranchised by a voter ID law. Coincidentally, you would also be finding someone who isn't living in the twenty-first (hell, the twentieth) century. Maybe that dude from the TV show Sleepy Hollow who suddenly woke up in 2013 after succumbing to a magical sleep in the late 1700s? He would definitely be disenfranchised." I know I might be touching the poop, but should I even respond to this and if so, how?
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Jeff Merkley says he is going to vote in favor of the Oregon ballot measure legalizing Marijuana. This makes him the first U.S. Senator to favor complete legalization of recreational pot use. http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/jeff-merkley-legalize-pot-oregon quote:Exclusive Interview: Merkley First U.S. Senator To Back Legal Marijuana
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