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DrSunshine posted:Alternatively, watch it and experience 20 minutes of bij. Oh my god. I had that board game. Horrifying.
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What is so terrible about Kuvira? The governor of Yi was not happy with the terms of annexation but they didn't say what they were.
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Oct 24, 2014 16:17
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Goons sure are eager to jump on board with fascism, I guess!
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Oct 24, 2014 16:20
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Rincewind posted:Goons sure are eager to jump on board with fascism, I guess! Can't wait for Korra to institute a constitutional monarchy and have the people elect Kuvira as Prime Minister, then president, or however Putin stays in power.
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Oct 24, 2014 16:22
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Baron Bifford posted:What is so terrible about Kuvira? The governor of Yi was not happy with the terms of annexation but they didn't say what they were. Desire for political autonomy
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Oct 24, 2014 16:28
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Yeah this was a step down but, like, they JUST HAD an episode that was focused entirely on Korra dealing with trauma, and this show was made for Nickelodeon, and the scripts were definitely sent to them for approval before the whole ONLINE ONLY thing. Also the whole thing is that Korra's going to see that Kuvira just wants order and peace but is going to fascist lengths to get it, and now that she's able to understand that she'll be better able to fix the situation.
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Oct 24, 2014 16:30
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Rincewind posted:Goons sure are eager to jump on board with fascism, I guess! You know it! Anyway, definitely agreed with the consensus on this episode. The only tolerable parts were Toph and those wonderful soldiers.
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Oct 24, 2014 16:31
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Lord Cyrahzax posted:You know it! As Paradox LPs go, so goes the Korra nation.
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Oct 24, 2014 16:42
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"Bad people sometimes have good ideals at the core of what they do, and you should try to learn from them even when they hurt you" is a really good lesson to teach kids (and adults!), and they put it in the mouth of one of the most badass women in television history, so for that alone I like this episode.
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Oct 24, 2014 16:50
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Hauldren Collider posted:Does anyone actually like Meelo, Ikki, Jinora, or Kai? Anyone? At least Kai's balls dropped, but his VA is still terrible. Jinora is pretty cool. Meelo and Ikki are annoying kids, though. Meelo is aggressively unfunny in addition to being annoying.
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Oct 24, 2014 16:53
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:"Bad people sometimes have good ideals at the core of what they do, and you should try to learn from them even when they hurt you" is a really good lesson to teach kids (and adults!), and they put it in the mouth of one of the most badass women in television history, so for that alone I like this episode. Very true. I didn't mind the Airbender kids hijinks and shenanigans. I can see how the episode is supposed to be a bit more lighthearted after the past few episodes have all been political maneuverings, coups, rumors of prison camps, etc. It felt like an early ATLA episode with Aang's shenanigans. Ikki and Meelo definitely take after their grandfather.
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Yeah this was a step down but, like, they JUST HAD an episode that was focused entirely on Korra dealing with trauma, and this show was made for Nickelodeon, and the scripts were definitely sent to them for approval before the whole ONLINE ONLY thing.
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Oct 24, 2014 16:56
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I liked the episode enough but Meelo went from funny, if a bit too forced and annoying at times to grade-A insufferable.
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Also the whole thing is that Korra's going to see that Kuvira just wants order and peace but is going to fascist lengths to get it, and now that she's able to understand that she'll be better able to fix the situation. I'm going to miss blunt object Korra intimidating judges, breaking into town hall to bully a councilman, beating up police officers, threatening to kill her foes, and generally just bludgeoning her way through life. Good times.
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Baron Bifford posted:What is so terrible about Kuvira? The governor of Yi was not happy with the terms of annexation but they didn't say what they were. I'd think the prison camps would indicate she's not exactly an ideal ruler. Rosalind posted:I'm going to miss blunt object Korra intimidating judges, breaking into town hall to bully a councilman, beating up police officers, threatening to kill her foes, and generally just bludgeoning her way through life. Good times. Don't forget beating up spirits in Yue Bay!
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Sato posted:I'd think the prison camps would indicate she's not exactly an ideal ruler.
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Zedd posted:I liked the episode enough but Meelo went from funny, if a bit too forced and annoying at times to grade-A insufferable. This is pretty much my opinion. I liked his interaction with Toph tho.
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Oct 24, 2014 17:12
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I do hope that Zaheer makes an appearance at some point. As the only living villain, and Kuvira's diametrical opposite, it would make sense for Thea to seek out wisdom from him, especially given what Toph just taught her. Plus we can always use more Rollins 
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Rosalind posted:I do hope that Zaheer makes an appearance at some point. As the only living villain, and Kuvira's diametrical opposite, it would make sense for Thea to seek out wisdom from him, especially given what Toph just taught her. I hope so too, though you're forgetting Hiroshi, who has been confirmed for this season It's funny that we were talking about bad child actors because I felt that Henry Rollins's acting wasn't always that great as Zaheer. Some of his lines were a bit off, especially in the beginning episodes.
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Oct 24, 2014 17:16
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so we are all just skippin' over the spot where Toph goes "yo those other villains you fought had good points, but they got really out of balance with how they went about achieving it" 'cause I thought that was something you all wanted pointed out by someone.
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Oct 24, 2014 17:30
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Man. I really did not need that much Meelo in my life.
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Oct 24, 2014 17:33
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After this episode, I have a newfound appreciation for Pema. Though it was she and Tenzin who created that monster, I guess.
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Oct 24, 2014 17:45
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Baron Bifford posted:Where did you get this? She almost stole Mussolini's gimmick of stealing power from a monarch. Kuvira is clearly a fascist and they're not even being subtle about it.
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Oct 24, 2014 18:04
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1. lol @ Meelo's drawing skills 2. Glad they finally addressed that Amon and Zaheer had points. And Unalaq I guess. 3. I spent the first 18 or so minutes convinced it would turn out Toph was dead all along, and when the show made a point of showing the kids ignoring her, I thought I had called it. 
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Oct 24, 2014 18:13
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I'm kind of surprised people in this thread turned so hard against Meelo. It feels like we always have our share of apologists for the wacky "comedic" male characters (Meelo, Bolin, Varrick, Bumi). That said, gently caress Meelo. I don't know what's worse, his fartbending or the awful plodding cadence of his speech (something he shares with Bumi). I actually thought Ikki was fine. Jinora seems to be a lot better off when she's away from her siblings though.
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Oct 24, 2014 18:17
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TheModernAmerican posted:She almost stole Mussolini's gimmick of stealing power from a monarch. She even makes the trains run on time.
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Oct 24, 2014 18:17
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Oct 24, 2014 18:19
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The kids are know-it-alls, especially Jinora. And maybe it's just the way I grew up (I'm Asian), but I feel like they come off as rude when they address elders by just their name. Korra, whatever, but I feel like should have at least called Toph "Auntie Toph". Yes, I know that would have would set up a shipping firestorm, and yes, I know the show is made by two white guys.
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TheModernAmerican posted:She almost stole Mussolini's gimmick of stealing power from a monarch. Well she hasn't shown any of the extreme nationalism or other beliefs that characterize Fascism yet. So far I'd say she's a military dictator and her political agenda hasn't been fleshed out yet. Definitely has the potential to develop into fascism though. Wildeyes posted:I'm kind of surprised people in this thread turned so hard against Meelo. It feels like we always have our share of apologists for the wacky "comedic" male characters (Meelo, Bolin, Varrick, Bumi). Meelo is just really obnoxious and a total rear end in a top hat to everyone. Without the charm and badassery that Toph has when she does it. Alot of his dialogue was him being dismissive, bossy or sexist. Also he's not funny, so there's nothing to apologise for his bad qualities. Nephthys fucked around with this message at 18:28 on Oct 24, 2014 |
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As with Amon, with Kuvira we can sort of fill in the blanks by referencing history. I wish, though, that the show would give more details rather than mere allusions.
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Oct 24, 2014 18:24
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Great episode, I love the kids they're fun and have great chemistry.
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hiddenriverninja posted:Yes, I know that would have would set up a shipping firestorm, What? Between the kids and Toph? (Oh, you mean it would imply Toph and Sokka got together?)
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Whelp - very nice episode, overall! Meelo was a bit grating (his VA really isn't that great...), but he had some funny lines, and I like how he is pretty much an unrepentant jackass. Even got a chuckle out of the glorious return of fartbending. Still, yeah, low point of the episode. He was basically a collection of one-liners that turned annoying the longer it went on; hopefully he either has a decent arc later on and some goddamn insight, or he never shows up again... Apparently I'm easier to entertain, though - he didn't ruin the episode or anything, and we had better scenes (like the two guards) to save the episode!  I did like pretty much anything else, though. Ikki was really entertaining - especially with those two soldiers. I hope they enjoy their snacks. While Korra's recovery did come rather quick, I don't mind - I don't think the whole point of it needed more time than this. Who knows, it might lead in to some even more interesting scenes - others said so earlier: this might be the reason Korra actually tries talking to earlier villains. Man, I hope she seeks out Zaheer. Oh, and Toph, oh course. Also thought she'd turn out to actually be dead, but oh well. Toph stories, best stories.
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NextTime000 posted:so we are all just skippin' over the spot where Toph goes "yo those other villains you fought had good points, but they got really out of balance with how they went about achieving it"
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Oct 24, 2014 19:00
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Not sure why everyone is so angry at this episode. I guess the kids don't really annoy me as much as everyone else. I thought it was enjoyable!
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Nephthys posted:Meelo is just really obnoxious and a total rear end in a top hat to everyone. Without the charm and badassery that Toph has when she does it. Alot of his dialogue was him being dismissive, bossy or sexist. Yeah, most of the early part of this episode is like "Meelo is a bossy sexist jerk who makes life unpleasant for those around him...but he's a kid, so isn't it funny and adorable?". I could have really done with Jinora or Ikki telling him to stop being such a brat.
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MacBook Air Gamer posted:Not sure why everyone is so angry at this episode. I guess the kids don't really annoy me as much as everyone else. I thought it was enjoyable! Same here.
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Seriously, the kids weren't that bad. I found that one dumb guard obsessed with macaroons to be more obnoxious than Meelo.
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Fun episode. Wasn't put off by an episode with the kids and at least they didn't make a big deal about the fart thing. It's just a shame they had to fix Korra so quick. Though I get why they have to- they don't have the luxury of a 20 episode season. It was either fix her now or fix her during some final battle (like they did with the LAB finale). Having her have serious PTSD for four episodes was good enough for me.
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