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Ugh I'm sick of Dragonball Z stuff in the comic about kids with awkward growing-up problems.
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Oct 25, 2014 17:51
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MrBims posted:Ugh I'm sick of Dragonball Z stuff in the comic about kids with awkward growing-up problems. We're reading the same comic, right? We've been shooting laser beams and powering up for a hell of a long time.
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Oct 25, 2014 18:04
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MrBims posted:Ugh I'm sick of Dragonball Z stuff in the comic about kids with awkward growing-up problems. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMcEBX74AWE
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Oct 25, 2014 18:07
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Why do I feel like people about a year ago were saying that they were waiting for John to go back and retcon something else. That didn't happen either, but people here were calling for that to happen too. Besides sticking John in the corners of past panels, has anything really been retconned yet? If anything, it's been beta timelines, never undoing the actual plot. But this thing is like 60,000 pages, so maybe I'm forgetting something.
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Oct 25, 2014 18:12
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Well, John stopped himself from the past from interacting with Dave and Grimbark Jade, if I am not mistaken, thus allowing the whole conversation regarding the sword that's supposed to kill LE to happen.
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Oct 25, 2014 18:17
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If you mean retcon in the sense of editing past panels, that's not going to happen more substantially, since that'd ruin things for archive readers.
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Oct 25, 2014 18:21
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When I was rereading it, I had forgotten he did that, and was very confused when I saw two Johns above Jade and Dave. And then it made sense later. So John does this TWICE- he retcons Dave having to save the Mayor and all that, and then he reretcons him doing that so Dave has to.
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Oct 25, 2014 18:21
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Alright, then I did forget. I just didn't know why people were hoping so much that he would undo what we just saw in the flash. Plus, that would mean Hussie just did the flash for no reason for the plot then too.
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Oct 25, 2014 18:23
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I love that everyone's freaking out about characters dying despite the well-established fact that dead characters can still run around and do stuff. Isn't John supposed to be the "savior of the dreaming dead" or something, anyway?
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Oct 25, 2014 18:24
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IUG posted:Besides sticking John in the corners of past panels, has anything really been retconned yet? If anything, it's been beta timelines, never undoing the actual plot. This probably is a beta timeline, because Aranea's whole plan was to create one and then heal it so it's not doomed anymore.  Seems like its doomedness has taken hold within mere minutes of her putting her plan into action, though
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Oct 25, 2014 18:24
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Suaimhneas posted:This probably is a beta timeline, because Aranea's whole plan was to create one and then heal it so it's not doomed anymore. :shh: That's because her plan was REALLY lovely
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Oct 25, 2014 18:25
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Burkion posted:That's because her plan was REALLY lovely And yet, it's still kind of working. All she ever needed to do was make sure the kids don't create a universe so Lord English can't be born in it. Can't very well do that if everyone's dead!
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Oct 25, 2014 18:30
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It's gonna be hard to do the essential second step of healing the timeline with the Condesce screaming in her face and throttling her, though.
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Oct 25, 2014 18:37
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Wait, I just remembered something: didn't Karkat have a ~ATH script that was supposed to execute when he died?
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Oct 25, 2014 18:38
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Evil Mastermind posted:Wait, I just remembered something: didn't Karkat have a ~ATH script that was supposed to execute when he died? He does! SOMETHING MAY HAPPEN (IhopeIhopeIhope)
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Oct 25, 2014 18:42
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Burkion posted:When I was rereading it, I had forgotten he did that, and was very confused when I saw two Johns above Jade and Dave. And then it made sense later. Could I get a link to this?
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Oct 25, 2014 18:43
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Martini Mice-Cream posted:The deaths don't really bother me since like some of you are already guessing that this would be the motivator for John to master his retcon powers. Maybe the reason there is no "save game" option on the flash(other than it being a game over screen) is that We/John would have to reload a save from a previous point. This is operating under the assumption that John saw any of this.
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Oct 25, 2014 18:44
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Evil Mastermind posted:Wait, I just remembered something: didn't Karkat have a ~ATH script that was supposed to execute when he died? The relevant page is here. If I'm understanding this right, he'd set up a loop that would terminate on his death, but hadn't actually written any routine for it to execute yet. Besides, the computer that script was on blew up shortly afterwards. Edit: also, the program as a whole was set up to stop running when the universe ended, which happened back in Cascade 
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Oct 25, 2014 18:45
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IUG posted:Alright, then I did forget. I just didn't know why people were hoping so much that he would undo what we just saw in the flash. Plus, that would mean Hussie just did the flash for no reason for the plot then too. Well, just because all or some of this might get undone doesn't mean it'll be meaningless. John would know what he's stopped - or at least we would - and having this full underailed (which I admit is a funny word to use about this mess) version in there first would make watching it unravel a more coherent experience. Plus there's a chance of hard-to-predict aftereffects. (I already said so a page ago, but I think whatever exactly Roxy did will probably remain significant somehow.)
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Oct 25, 2014 18:46
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Any routine that should have triggered with Karkat's death would have already taken effect, since he already died once.
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Oct 25, 2014 18:48
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Suaimhneas posted:Besides, the computer that script was on blew up shortly afterwards. ...and this is why you should always back up your files on a server in the furthest ring.
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Oct 25, 2014 18:49
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Hamiltonian Bicycle posted:Plus there's a chance of hard-to-predict aftereffects. (I already said so a page ago, but I think whatever exactly Roxy did will probably remain significant somehow.) Yeah, I'm curious about this myself. I'm not sure that was a teleport, that seems more like a Space player's territory. Roxy did some kind of Voidy Thing and now she and Rose are... where, exactly?
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Oct 25, 2014 18:50
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Dr Strangepants posted:Could I get a link to this? First go Second go Third go
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Oct 25, 2014 18:51
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paradoxGentleman posted:Any routine that should have triggered with Karkat's death would have already taken effect, since he already died once. Twice if you count dream selves.
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Oct 25, 2014 18:52
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Dr Strangepants posted:Could I get a link to this? http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=008284 Read from here to where John takes John away Then go to here http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=008302 Read from there To the end of that scene And then go here: http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=008317 And read There you go. John's confusing retconning abilities Edit: BEATEN
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Oct 25, 2014 18:55
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Suaimhneas posted:Besides, the computer that script was on blew up shortly afterwards. As if that kind of thing ever stopped ~ATH programs.
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Oct 25, 2014 18:56
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Suaimhneas posted:Yeah, I'm curious about this myself. I'm not sure that was a teleport, that seems more like a Space player's territory. Roxy did some kind of Voidy Thing and now she and Rose are... where, exactly? Either more or less real than before, perhaps, whatever that would mean! Popped out of one of those curtain assemblies somewhere? Trapped in Complacency of the Learned and/or Wizardy Herbert? That could get overcomplicated (which is entirely unheard of in this story, of course) and has already been echoed by John's enjoyment of Caliborn's narrative style, though. Or they're mainly just invisible, which is a little boring but still an option, I guess.
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Oct 25, 2014 19:02
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I think I should leave some speculations here: http://bladekindeyewear.tumblr.com/post/100892688084/further-s-game-over-upd8-thoughts
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Oct 25, 2014 19:03
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two things i noticed after rewatching: 1) everyone's already realized that the mayor was last seen on LOHAC, which obviously isn't in very good shape as of now, but if we can assume more dragonball z planet-flinging occurred after we cut away, this looks an awful lot like chunks of LOKAT (dirk's planet) in the background.  which is where we last saw all the sprites  2) UH is that lil cal's eye in aranea's one normal pupil??  i.e. a previously established indicator of control by caliborn?  in which case all of aranea's questionably "good intentions" are out the window, i mean she did say "J8ke 8s cr8tically 8mportant t8 8y pl8n" or whatever with a bunch of 8's probably, and didn't even flinch after accidentally stabbing him here it's not the right color but then again it's super tiny and undeatiled at the intended true size, maybe the guest artist who did that particular shot gave a bunch weird detail to just that one pupil, for only one shot they did. it just caught my eye and seemed weird! AceO fucked around with this message at 20:06 on Oct 25, 2014 |
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Oct 25, 2014 20:02
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Grouchio posted:I think I should leave some speculations here: Okay ordinarily I'd just ignore a post like this but I saw bkew posted a video of himself watching the flash and he looks exactly like you'd expect 
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Oct 25, 2014 20:49
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Andrew Hussie posted:The regular update engine lurches back to life on 11/1. Hussie is a troll of the highest caliber. Hold onto your butts people, there may yet be another flash coming today.
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Oct 25, 2014 20:51
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The next update will just be this, playing on repeat. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pPQnhhUqtU
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Oct 25, 2014 20:52
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That was great but the absolute best thing in the flash was the Caliborn / John battle. Also yeah Terezi's sort of alive  not like the rest aren't somehow coming back (oh Karkat please) but...
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Oct 25, 2014 20:59
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Oct 25, 2014 21:19
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You know, after Aranea abandoned Plan Throw-Wave-After-Wave-Of-Trolls-At-Lord-English, Meenah suggested something rather silly...code:
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Oct 25, 2014 21:33
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Hussie posted:But as of typing this, by my watch, 10/25 isn't over yet, and technically neither is the update day. Hmm.
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Oct 25, 2014 21:46
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Holy poo poo. I want to say that I'm glad the clusterfuck we started the hiatus with got a big, Cascade-esque Flash resolution. The comic had been dying for a climax for a while now and this was a good way of shaking poo poo up quickly. A few of the points that stood out: -Caliborn getting beaten up by John looks like it'll be his motivation to dump his anime phase and GET RIPPED. His new Lord English self-insert being a hulk who'd never get his rear end beat in a punch-up with a nerd sounds right. -Not sure where John's off to next. In theory he might be able to use his retcon powers to avert this whole blow-up, but at that point he might as well retcon the entire comic. Which isn't to say he won't at some point, but for the time being we should probably assume this is the timeline we're dealing with for a while. This flash would be a lot of work to throw away too quickly. -Karkat should probably be dead, but then again he's supposed to go to the core of the planet and get the genesis frog from Echidna, so I wouldn't leave out the possibility that he'll survive through some weird power or other and sink to the core. Or not. -Gamzee's definitely dead, but I'm pretty sure he still has to go on and mentor Caliborn so he'll either be resurrected somehow or this becomes a serious timeline problem. -The Aranea and Condesce smackdown continues. The Condesce might be winning by the end of the flash, but it's still not clear who'll actually win. -Dirk, the weird Caliborn-controlled Jack Noir and Spades Slick are all still inbound. The sprites and the Mayor are MIA. PM and Bec Noir are at a loose end guarding Jade's corpse. I guess Terezi's still alive? Roxy and (dying?) Rose have escaped into the void. I think Rose might revive if only because getting chumped by the Condesce isn't especially heroic, not quite in the way Dave and Jake's were. Much as poo poo's gotten hosed up there's still some players kicking around. -Kanaya, Jane, Jake, Dave, Gamzee and probably Karkat have appeared in the dream bubbles so that's probably going to become a more important place, since it's already got Jade and Calliope planning something, plus Vriska, Meenah, Aradia, Sollux, Tavros Feferi and Nepeta. That's probably enough ramblin' bout Homestucks for one day, but after a year I've missed this sort of thing. Dolash fucked around with this message at 21:51 on Oct 25, 2014 |
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Oct 25, 2014 21:48
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Wasn't that thing that gave John his zapping powers defined as a weapon when it was introduced?
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Oct 25, 2014 21:52
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Dolash posted:-Gamzee's definitely dead, but I'm pretty sure he still has to go on and mentor Caliborn so he'll either be resurrected somehow or this becomes a serious timeline problem. You can't keep down the clown.  Also, does anyone else get a Battletoads feel from Carne Vale? Mostly the backing more than anything.
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Dolash posted:-Karkat should probably be dead, but then again he's supposed to go to the core of the planet and get the genesis frog from Echidna, so I wouldn't leave out the possibility that he'll survive through some weird power or other and sink to the core. Or not. I don't think Echidna wanted to talk to Karkat or Kanaya. She wanted the hero of Space and the Knight that helped her, and refused to speak to Jade because she wanted the real hero, but I took that as refusing to help the Condesce.
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