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Hmmmmm... yes. I think, today, I will work on my Smurfs fanfiction featuring rape. snipin two pages in a row 
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Arcsquad12 posted:...... Is there seriously a trope called "Post Rape Taunt?" Why, yes since TvTropes is such a family friendly website. 
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Oct 26, 2014 12:54
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Gotta be honest, I burst out laughing when I got to "Smurf" in that title. It was just so unexpected and absurd.
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Oct 26, 2014 13:09
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quote:Due to the highly offensive and personal nature of this trope, please do not add any real life examples. quote:The project Unbreakable tries to catalogue these. Project Unbreakable is a photography project where real-life victims of rape, sexual abuse or domestic violence hold up signs reading what their attacker said to them. It's absolutely harrowing and doesn't belong alongside Family Guy and Game of Thrones.
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Oct 26, 2014 14:36
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Not everything needs to be troped, tropers.
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Oct 26, 2014 14:57
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Ague Proof posted:Not everything needs to be troped, tropers. That is where they vehemently disagree
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Oct 26, 2014 18:47
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The same page that everyone is fixating on right now posted:Endgame by Tara O'Shea, the first-known Galaxy Rangers fanfic on the web, used this. ...Perhaps it's for the best that it doesn't go into more detail. Let's lighten things up a bit with some good old-fashioned whining (after all, angry nerds and screwed-up views on rape go hand in hand): A review for Zero Punctuation posted:Fails at being funny, fails at being informative.
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Oct 26, 2014 20:10
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BlueDude posted:Review Do I detect the presence of a certain whaler in the writing of that review?
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Hammurabi posted:Do I detect the presence of a certain whaler in the writing of that review? Probably not - the dude compliments Yahtzee's other works at the end, but Ahab refuses to acknowledge them at all: You know who posted:Couldn’t create anything cool himself, so he’s going to inflict his mouth on everyone who can. And believe me, that ain't the worst of the reviews. Exhibit A posted:What happens when caustic criticism, a total lack of objectivity, and misrepresenting facts combine. That review spawned 66 comments. I am not reading them all.
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Oct 26, 2014 23:48
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quote:He's good at writing, as the Chzo Mythos and Mogworld demonstrate, Sorry, I'd just like to point out that this is something that someone unironically typed. 
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Oct 27, 2014 00:34
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Not my vidja games  .
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Oct 27, 2014 00:52
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Kay Kessler posted:Sorry, I'd just like to point out that this is something that someone unironically typed. ah screw you I liked Mogworld. And Jam. Jam moreso. BlueDude posted:That review spawned 66 comments. I am not reading them all. People get fascinatingly upset by somebody not sharing their tastes and being super blatant about it.
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Oct 27, 2014 01:23
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SuccinctAndPunchy posted:People get fascinatingly upset by somebody not sharing their tastes and being super blatant about it. TVTropes vs. Yahtzee is more because Fast Eddie's day job is programming AI for video games. He was okay with Yahtzee in that kind of TGWTG nerdhate way until Yahtzee reviewed some game he did the AI for. The review took time to specifically call Ahab's contributions a steaming pile of poo poo and Mr. "No Notability/Free Speech All the Time" Fast Eddie got super pissed off and started his anti-critic thing.
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Oct 27, 2014 01:34
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It was the Wolfenstein reboot, I think.
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Oct 27, 2014 01:36
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BlueDude posted:That review spawned 66 comments. I am not reading them all.
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Oct 27, 2014 02:06
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For some reason, the Republic abolished penalties for homicidal evisceration, taking only 10 minutes to reach that conclusion. Why they decided to do this, it's never revealed.
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Oct 27, 2014 02:39
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Incoherence posted:One of the only funny things about a certain recent hashtag campaign is that a bunch of people have come out of the woodwork who Actually Believe that game reviews should be "objective". It's not just a TvTropes thing. I am genuinely confused here. Reviews are basically a person writing out their own subjective opinion and assesment of things that it would be pointless to attempt quantitative measurement of. What the hell would an "objective review" be? Listing system requirements? Agreeing with the person who is reading the review? Numbering the "tropes" used?
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Oct 27, 2014 06:00
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Wales Grey posted:I am genuinely confused here. Reviews are basically a person writing out their own subjective opinion and assesment of things that it would be pointless to attempt quantitative measurement of. What the hell would an "objective review" be? Listing system requirements? Agreeing with the person who is reading the review? Numbering the "tropes" used? I dunno if this is their idea of an "objective" review, but I don't see any reason for the logical conclusion to not be something like this quote:Synopsis: "Here is my review of Gran Turismo 3"
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Oct 27, 2014 06:23
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Wales Grey posted:I am genuinely confused here. Reviews are basically a person writing out their own subjective opinion and assesment of things that it would be pointless to attempt quantitative measurement of. What the hell would an "objective review" be? Listing system requirements? Agreeing with the person who is reading the review? Numbering the "tropes" used?
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When people say "objective" they generally mean "agrees with me." When they call something out for bias, they generally refer to the expression of an opinion that isn't theirs. Basically what I'm saying is that everyone involved with a certain recent hashtag is a whiny entitled baby, in addition to most likely being a misogynist.
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Oct 27, 2014 13:04
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Lottery of Babylon posted:No. Much more better. It is a fanfic of an anime. I started skimming the Character Page, and I instantly regret it. Although this bit made me laugh: quote:Luna Cii
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Oct 27, 2014 13:55
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Hammurabi posted:When people say "objective" they generally mean "agrees with me." When they call something out for bias, they generally refer to the expression of an opinion that isn't theirs. When talking about TVTropes and biases you have to remember that one of the most hated "opinions" on that site was when a 15 year-old girl said adult men that wanted to gently caress her were creeps.
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Oct 27, 2014 16:40
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A Crazy Person posted:My characters frequently refuse to follow plans and start heading off in their own direction; you're definitely not alone. Oh my wacky characters! Who knows what they'll do next? Not me!
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Oct 27, 2014 20:06
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Wales Grey posted:I am genuinely confused here. Reviews are basically a person writing out their own subjective opinion and assesment of things that it would be pointless to attempt quantitative measurement of. What the hell would an "objective review" be? Listing system requirements? Agreeing with the person who is reading the review? Numbering the "tropes" used? The substantive part of those criticisms involves games "journos" having a very cozy relationship with PR people, to the point that they give each other awards and people effortlessly pass between the two groups during their careers. An "objective" review would be one that wasn't fueled by a PR hype machine. The people that have been complaining about this have been doing so before the hashtag campaign, the hashtaggers just latched on to it with arguments that are totally unrelated but cite the previous complaints for legitimacy. edit: typo BAD AT STUFF fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Oct 27, 2014 |
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Oct 27, 2014 20:46
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Mimetic posted:The substantive part of those criticisms involves games "journos" having a very cozy relationship with PR people, to the point that they give each other awards and people effortlessly pass between the two groups during their careers. An "objective" review would be one that wasn't fueled by a PR hype machine. The people that have been complaining about this have been doing so before the hashtag campaign, the hashtaggers just latched on to it with arguments that are totally unrelated but cite the previous complaints for legitimacy.
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Oct 27, 2014 21:43
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Incoherence posted:The word you're looking for is "independent", not "objective". Also the hashtag campaign has not really been focused on AAA game developers and their marketing departments at all, which is a shame because there's actually some meat on those complaints. (See, most recently, Shadow of Mordor.) I just used the word being thrown around the thread. Like I said, the hashtag folks have nothing to do with the (very real) longstanding concerns about ethics in games journalism. They're using those existing complaints to give their vendettas with specific people an appearance of legitimacy. I just wanted to point out that the idea that reviews aren't "objective" or "independent" or whatever isn't new. But then the whole idea of "games journalism" is a joke, so who cares? 
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Oct 27, 2014 22:23
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Harime Nui posted:Oh my wacky characters! Who knows what they'll do next? Not me! That sounds more like the voices in their heads are coming back because they haven't taken their meds.
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Oct 27, 2014 22:38
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Harime Nui posted:Oh my wacky characters! Who knows what they'll do next? Not me! Well of course, this dude hasn't (and will never) written anthing.
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Oct 27, 2014 23:40
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Harime Nui posted:Oh my wacky characters! Who knows what they'll do next? Not me! It's another example of cargo-culting. They've heard that really good authors will often say their characters write the story, and misunderstand that this means that consistent characterization will lend itself to a logical progression of events. Thus they just claim 'Oh man! I have no idea what my zany characters will do next!'
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Oct 27, 2014 23:48
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Night10194 posted:It's another example of cargo-culting. They've heard that really good authors will often say their characters write the story, and misunderstand that this means that consistent characterization will lend itself to a logical progression of events. Thus they just claim 'Oh man! I have no idea what my zany characters will do next!' Yeah. "The characters write the story" means you have such a solid grip on who yoru characters are that when you sit down to write, the story just naturally unfolds with seemingly no influence from you because the characters make sense to you. It doesn't mean your characters literaly talk to you or interact with you in any way. It's not "Duck Amuck."
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Oct 27, 2014 23:56
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Maybe this is how tropers separate problematic authors from their literature. Lovecraft's characters started racist, he just recorded the story.
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Gimnbo posted:Maybe this is how tropers separate problematic authors from their literature. No maybe about it. The hardcore Tropers literally believe that stories are just floating in the aether somewhere. Authors/Writers/Playwrights are just the people that put them on paper. It's how they can justify being the "true fans" of something like My Little Pony while ignoring the creator's requests to not draw porn of certain characters.
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sweeperbravo posted:Yeah. "The characters write the story" means you have such a solid grip on who yoru characters are that when you sit down to write, the story just naturally unfolds with seemingly no influence from you because the characters make sense to you. It doesn't mean your characters literaly talk to you or interact with you in any way. It's not "Duck Amuck." They're doing like the total opposite. Their characters are poorly designed, with very little development and wildly inconsistent personality traits, and therefore nothing can ever "unfold naturally." So when it comes to "Okay, here's the situation, how do my characters react?" there is no good answer, and they just type out whatever first pops into their head. Razorwired posted:No maybe about it. The hardcore Tropers literally believe that stories are just floating in the aether somewhere. Authors/Writers/Playwrights are just the people that put them on paper. It's how they can justify being the "true fans" of something like My Little Pony while ignoring the creator's requests to not draw porn of certain characters. This is why it's ~*justified*~ that the main character of whatever anime has to suck on little girls' breasts to refill his MP or whatever. That's just how this type of vampire is, it's not even sexual! There is literally no consideration given to the leanings/intentions of the author. EKDS5k fucked around with this message at 03:12 on Oct 28, 2014 |
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Razorwired posted:No maybe about it. The hardcore Tropers literally believe that stories are just floating in the aether somewhere. Authors/Writers/Playwrights are just the people that put them on paper. It's how they can justify being the "true fans" of something like My Little Pony while ignoring the creator's requests to not draw porn of certain characters. Platonic Tropism: A metafictional worldview in which an author/artist/etc. doesn't write a story, illustrate an image, or create a work. They instead create an abstract universe with trancendental forms known as tropes. Tropes are the fundamental units of story and exist independently of works, rather than being repeated themes that have been recognized as such. The inherent quality of a work is thus wholey dependent on combining the tropes in an aesthetically pleasing manner, along with cramming as many tropes as possible into the work as possible, and using other pre-illuminated universes whenever possible. Criticism is naturally the result of "haters" failing to sufficently detach themselves from their emotions and bodies to percive the sublime beauty of the tropes you juxtapose by taking a children's cartoon and smashing it into a modern murder-mystery crime drama with a heaping helping of .
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Oct 28, 2014 04:34
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Ugh, seriously? The idea of being able to separate the author from the text that thoroughly is just about impossible for me. I've only read one author who manages to not make me think about how and why they write what they write (while reading, no less), and that's the actually-a-good-writer Patrick Ness. TV Tropes isn't even literature students masturbating over their animes; it's wannabe literature students masturbating over their animes.
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Oct 28, 2014 04:57
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The only way to explain that is that Tropers just don't want to *THINK* about the shows they're watching.
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Oct 28, 2014 05:14
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Burkion posted:The only way to explain that is that Tropers just don't want to *THINK* about the shows they're watching. I disagree. They're clearly thinking about the shows they're watching, they're just not drawing any conclusions from their thoughts that are meaningful outside "this happens sometimes". Their refusal to seriously or rigorously analyze the media they consume is a side effect of their site's obsession with collecting and pinning down story elements; they want to curate, not critique.
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Oct 28, 2014 06:18
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Wales Grey posted:I disagree. They're clearly thinking about the shows they're watching, they're just not drawing any conclusions from their thoughts that are meaningful outside "this happens sometimes". Their refusal to seriously or rigorously analyze the media they consume is a side effect of their site's obsession with collecting and pinning down story elements; they want to curate, not critique. Don't forget they're based on defining themselves by the media they consume, so admitting there are problematic elements gets taken like a personal attack. If Dude A has to restore his MP by doing Sex Act Y on Lady Z that's gotta be just how it is or else they'd have to confront the fact that they're watching it for Sex Act Y, hence the thousand and one 'I swear it's not really porn and it has an awesome plot, just wait to see what Dude A does with that MP it's gonna be bitchin'' bits all over the site.
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