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Christoff posted:Some places just label poo poo kickboxing/Muay Thai which usually means it's some turbo kickboxing poo poo with loud electronic music and a bunch of white moms punching a bag over and over. Reminds me of a lot of my HS gym classes, I know some people really get into group settings but the music is always too loud and the instructor is too enthusiastic to be OK. I have been to a few college fencing club meets but it was always divided a bit between new and competitive members. My main interest would be making progress at my own pace towards new skills? Hmm---I admit, I had hoped if I became interested in martial arts I could use it as exercise instead of just doing cardio/weight lifting. I tend to easily bored if I just run at the treadmill even if there is music/TV available. I feel like I'm not making much progress w/no goal other than improving general fitness levels. Thanks will check it out later.
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I've heard loads of people say "I'll start coming to classes when I get fit enough/lose more weight" - most of the people in this thread who go to a club will have heard this over and over. It's fear of humiliation. I was a fatty, with no muscle. Now I'm less fat, with nice muscle. I still eat and drink the 'wrong' stuff, but because I work hard doing Muay thai/BJJ/conditioning 2/3 hours a day every other day, I can get away with it. I don't want to be awesome, I'm happy with being less poo poo. A lot of the non-starters assume this is an all-or-nothing deal; it doesn't need to be. Even two hours a week will make a huge difference in your life. Everyone's friendly where I train, we all help get the new guys over the "holy gently caress everyone's steaming me" freakout that most of them seem to have. I look at at like this: Doing martial arts has gotten me into moving my body, and taking pleasure in my physical improvement, in a way that loving around at the gym never did. The results aren't so obvious, I don't think, in that pure gym work will sculpt your body in a certain way, but for being able to actually fight and breathe and move intelligently and maintain calm under pressure, and to be able to take a punch/choke and to still think your way out? That poo poo's almost priceless. I bang on about this because it has literally changed my life, and I think BJJ coupled with some form of standup art, and a good, supportive club, can make anyone's life measurably better.
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Alder posted:Reminds me of a lot of my HS gym classes, I know some people really get into group settings but the music is always too loud and the instructor is too enthusiastic to be OK. Doooooooo it. Just be warned. I got into martial arts to keep off the freshmen 15 and now I do things like: Post in this thread. Deal with liability waivers and all that BS. Let sweaty men manhandle me allll the time. Post in this thread defending my style. Became sensei's favorite punching bag (aka 'uke') for demonstrating techniques. Work myself sore, all over, all the time. Get cranky when I can't hit things. Take people/get taken to martial arts lessons as dates.
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Alder posted:Hmm---I admit, I had hoped if I became interested in martial arts I could use it as exercise instead of just doing cardio/weight lifting. I tend to easily bored if I just run at the treadmill even if there is music/TV available. I feel like I'm not making much progress w/no goal other than improving general fitness levels. Well what does it matter? It sounds like it'd be more exercise than you're doing now. BJJ and Muay Thai or kickboxing are exhausting enough in their own right. Do both of them 2-4 times a week and that's a lot more exercise than most people get. You'll definitely see some results, regardless. And although I don't really agree with it. Depending on the coach you'll do your fair share of body conditioning poo poo/calisthenics. Burpees, push ups, sit ups, etc.
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de la peche posted:Everyone's friendly where I train, we all help get the new guys over the "holy gently caress everyone's steaming me" freakout that most of them seem to have. I look at at like this: Doing martial arts has gotten me into moving my body, and taking pleasure in my physical improvement, in a way that loving around at the gym never did. The results aren't so obvious, I don't think, in that pure gym work will sculpt your body in a certain way, but for being able to actually fight and breathe and move intelligently and maintain calm under pressure, and to be able to take a punch/choke and to still think your way out? That poo poo's almost priceless. I bang on about this because it has literally changed my life, and I think BJJ coupled with some form of standup art, and a good, supportive club, can make anyone's life measurably better. Seconding this. Since I start judo in March of this year, I lost body fat, gain muscle mass in areas I never had it before, pushed my body to limits I did not think was possible, improved my mental toughness, and made a lot of great friends in the club I train with. Alder posted:Hmm---I admit, I had hoped if I became interested in martial arts I could use it as exercise instead of just doing cardio/weight lifting. I tend to easily bored if I just run at the treadmill even if there is music/TV available. I feel like I'm not making much progress w/no goal other than improving general fitness levels. I went from being not active to training judo 4 times a week and going to the gym on non-training days to improve my conditioning for fighting. I used to be the same boat where I couldn't keep a gym routine going because I was lacking any motivation. Now that I want to compete in tournaments and I just got my Orange Belt, I have motivation to keep going to the gym to improve for the next training session. For now, use marital arts to start getting exercise and go from there. TacticalHoodie fucked around with this message at 16:02 on Oct 26, 2014 |
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Alder posted:I read the OP a while ago and now that I have free time I'm considering looking into martial arts. Oh and I'm out of shape if that matters but I'm not exactly going into it 24/7 anyways. If you're interested in something a bit more eclectic, our school Sword Class NYC has been showing enormous growth and new comers seem to enjoy the atmosphere. We've expanded our European weapons from just longsword and lange messer to arming sword + buckler and dagger fighting, and we also offer ringen (wrestling). There's a groupon available that will give you three classes of your choice for $30. As for your size, in weapons-based systems size is somewhat of a limiting factor but ultimately technique will beat out pure strength/speed/size. A clear case of this is when Kristine Konsmo (a woman not too much bigger than you) beat someone more than a foot and a half taller than her (and not to mention much stronger/quicker) AFTER he broke her arm halfway through the fight because her technique is practically flawless (you can see the fight here). We have several girls in our school around your size, and so long as you have the right attitude you can still perform alongside the best.
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Where in NY are you, and how much are you willing to spend per month? I'm located just outside the city in the suburbs but it'll require a bit of commuting and I figured I'd list NYC too because most people know that area well. Actually, I hate to say IDK but I've never done any kind of sports related activity before is around $300 enough? Christoff posted:Well what does it matter? It sounds like it'd be more exercise than you're doing now. BJJ and Muay Thai or kickboxing are exhausting enough in their own right. Do both of them 2-4 times a week and that's a lot more exercise than most people get. You'll definitely see some results, regardless. And although I don't really agree with it. Depending on the coach you'll do your fair share of body conditioning poo poo/calisthenics. Burpees, push ups, sit ups, etc. Burpees... that reminds me of that one time I thought it would be a good idea to follow a 15 min workout guides online. Um, suffice to say I don't recommend it  Whiskey A Go Go! posted:For now, use marital arts to start getting exercise and go from there. Thanks for the feedback and I'm glad I'm not alone wrt to gym routines. I recall walking by the college gyms and wondering how dedicated some people were to running/weightlifting 4-5x a week but weren't on a team.
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So I'm taking the dive and buying a BJJ GI. Any tips on where to get them/ what to look for in the sub 120$ range. Thoughts?
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Verisimilidude posted:(you can see the fight here). It looks so much like shotokan sparring. Corner judges with the flags, central ref stopping the fight for each point. 
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KildarX posted:So I'm taking the dive and buying a BJJ GI. Any tips on where to get them/ what to look for in the sub 120$ range. Thoughts? Trolling BJJHQ.com until a decent deal comes up. Or you can do what I did and buy a Tatami Zero G V3 Gi for 120 (plus shipping) at bjjwarehouse.
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ElMaligno posted:Trolling BJJHQ.com until a decent deal comes up. Or you can do what I did and buy a Tatami Zero G V3 Gi for 120 (plus shipping) at bjjwarehouse. Uh, new to this and all, but that is one intense looking DVD set. Am I being kinda picky or the sites kinda awkward looking? Most of the time it's mentions calling them to get more info but phone calls...
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Alder posted:Uh, new to this and all, but that is one intense looking DVD set. Am I being kinda picky or the sites kinda awkward looking? Most of the time it's mentions calling them to get more info but phone calls... BJJHQ (and MMAHQ) are sites with that sell one item only and they rotate them daily. Its overall less expensive then buying them at another stores, but you have to wait for what you want to buy to pop-up.
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ElMaligno posted:BJJHQ (and MMAHQ) are sites with that sell one item only and they rotate them daily. Its overall less expensive then buying them at another stores, but you have to wait for what you want to buy to pop-up. So, it's like woot? I wonder if I can get once a day email from it. Verisimilidude posted:If you're interested in something a bit more eclectic, our school Sword Class NYC has been showing enormous growth and new comers seem to enjoy the atmosphere. We've expanded our European weapons from just longsword and lange messer to arming sword + buckler and dagger fighting, and we also offer ringen (wrestling). There's a groupon available that will give you three classes of your choice for $30. Thanks for the info. I originally wanted to learn fencing in HS but it was too small to get much of a following/funding apart from being a gym elective. During college the official fencing team felt standoffish and I lost interest despite looking forward to it for awhile. I have watched videos w/broadswords and talked to people about kendo/kumdo clubs yet she warned me it was mostly angry men practicing in the college basements. Oh and one of the reasons I didn't really consider classes like self-defence because I felt that it lacked structure and well direction?
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Alder posted:Oh and one of the reasons I didn't really consider classes like self-defence because I felt that it lacked structure and well direction? Basically true. A lot of the self defense things I've seen have been 'let's make up a scenario' and then 'let's make up a precise chain of events that let you leave the situation mostly because our hypothetical attacker stops doing anything.' Once you cover the basics (avoid dangerous scenarios, don't escalate situations, comply with 'reasonable' requests (e.g. your wallet is not worth you life), scream loudly, strike forcefully at sensitive areas) there's really not much to cover. I mean, all that is useful, but if you want something more reliable than all that, you need to drill drill drill against resisting partners. Soooooo... basically any sufficiently sporty martial arts. From there you get structure and direction.
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If I was in New York I'd definitely check out Renzo Gracie's and Marcelo Garcia's schools.
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Alder posted:I'm located just outside the city in the suburbs but it'll require a bit of commuting and I figured I'd list NYC too because most people know that area well. Actually, I hate to say IDK but I've never done any kind of sports related activity before is around $300 enough? Oh yeah, that's more than enough. Most quality gyms in the city will run you aroudn 150-200 a month, and that's on the expensive end for the country at large because New York. As Deathy McDeath mentioned, there's a few of us who train at New York Combat Sambo -- it's close to both Grand Central and Penn Station, we have a decent number of women who train, and the instruction and atmosphere are great. I've been there for about 6 years, you can PM me if you have any questions. Marcelo's academy is also a great place to train if you're interested in BJJ, a few people from our club including our wrestling coach cross-train there. I'd avoid Renzo's, I've heard a number of complaints from people who used to train there. Alder posted:BTW: What is "strength and conditioning"? Is it just training for the sake of training? Basically just doing exercises and cardio to improve your strength and stamina for when you're actually doing the sport. A 'strength and conditioning' class at a grappling gym likely won't involve any sparring or technique instruction, just hard exercise. Mechafunkzilla fucked around with this message at 19:15 on Oct 26, 2014 |
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Mechafunkzilla posted:I'd avoid Renzo's, I've heard a number of complaints from people who used to train there.
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Alder posted:
There's several very good kendo clubs in NYC. Here's my favourite: http://shidogakuin.com/ (Or rather, the only one I've been too :P). Kato-sensei is one of the very few 8th dans in North America. It's been several years since I've been there, but they had a couple of strong female instructors as well.
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Mechafunkzilla posted:I'd avoid Renzo's, I've heard a number of complaints from people who used to train there. I've never been to either Renzo's or Marcelo's but they're both places I wanted to check out if I could swing a BJJ vacation to the area.
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ImplicitAssembler posted:There's several very good kendo clubs in NYC. Here's my favourite: http://shidogakuin.com/ (Or rather, the only one I've been too :P). Nice, I like how there are a few locations near I live so I don't have to commute into the NYC. I'll check it out since I've always had interest in it but like a ton of other cool sports it wasn't offered at HS level.
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Kekekela posted:Just curious, but what's the nature of the complaints? (provided its not something that's gonna make the thread explode in drama) High prices/contracts, big classes, people feeling ignored by the top instructors if they're not involved in higher level competition, staph/ringworm issues. Just what I've heard, I'm sure lots of people have very positive experiences training there. Mechafunkzilla fucked around with this message at 21:15 on Oct 26, 2014 |
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Alder posted:Thanks for the info. I originally wanted to learn fencing in HS but it was too small to get much of a following/funding apart from being a gym elective. During college the official fencing team felt standoffish and I lost interest despite looking forward to it for awhile. That sucks. But once you're of drinking age, there are a fair number of drinking clubs with a fencing problem out there.  I'd recommend giving (Olympic) fencing a shot but know that the clubs in NYC can be pricey. The major selling point I can give over the HEMA groups that Veris was talking about is that injuries are rare and broken bones aren't even on the radar. Just the occasional stabbing to the legs, hands, or chest.
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BirdOfPlay posted:That sucks. But once you're of drinking age, there are a fair number of drinking clubs with a fencing problem out there. Whoa, injuries from Fencing? IIRC don't most clubs rent/loan out protective gears? However, I can understand how sabre would be riskier  BTW: http://www.bjjhq.com/ has a Fuji #7000 All Around Jiu Jitsu Gi for $70 +SH if anyone is interested. Alder fucked around with this message at 16:09 on Oct 27, 2014 |
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Alder posted:Whoa, injuries from Fencing? IIRC don't most clubs rent/loan out protective gears? However, I can understand how sabre would be riskier The most common fencing injury is going to be bruises and welts. Yes you do wear protective gear that does a very good job of protecting you from anything that requires more than some ice. In competition, I once took a lunge with a broken foil to the chest and it didn't break through the jacket, although it did leave a pretty nice bruise that stuck around for weeks. If you're concerned sabre is actually the safest, but they're all very safe.
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Alder posted:Whoa, injuries from Fencing? IIRC don't most clubs rent/loan out protective gears? However, I can understand how sabre would be riskier Yes, yes. Like Gadamer said, fencing is real safe and only mentioned that as a joke. Fencing injuries are typically normal athletic injuries, e.g. sprains, pulled muscles, and other stress related injuries. Hell, I ref national events and have only had to call medical twice and both were for falls. Nearly all of the puncture injuries happen in high level competition, which, hate to break it to you, you're extremely unlike to participate in. Yes, protective gear comes with the territory. Practicing in club can be done with just a jacket, mask and glove, but a full competition kit includes a mask, jacket, glove, plastron (or underarm protector), knickers, socks (I poo poo you not), and, because you're a chick, a chest/boob protector. Nearly all competitions I've ever been at include checking masks by punch test, i.e. seeing if a spring-loaded nail will pierce the mask. Fencing is just as safe as any of the martial arts that goons in this thread do. I just wanted to make a joke, because Veris mentioned that HEMA fencer winning a bout after having an arm broken. If it's something you'd, I'd recommend looking into foil or sabre over epee. Right of way in sabre and foil generally evens out the playing field in terms of height disadvantage. And, really, sabre is the best choice, because it's just running and hitting and doesn't take an hour to fence. Whatever you decide to do, just do it and do it now. And if what you're not feeling it in about a month, it's one of two things: wrong place or wrong martial art/sport. Both can be solved by choosing something else.
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BirdOfPlay posted:That sucks. But once you're of drinking age, there are a fair number of drinking clubs with a fencing problem out there. Do Olympic fencing clubs drink too? I thought that was a HEMA thing. I guess swords and beer go together well. As for injuries, that broken arm was a bunch of different factors all coming together at once, and since then (2011) the quality of protective equipment has increased dramatically. Nowadays decent hand protection and jackets exist, in part because Olympic fencing companies have started producing HEMA equipment of their own. But things like tennis elbow and tendinitis can still sneak up on you if you're not careful. I don't know any Olympic fencing schools that I'd recommend, but the Martinez Academy of Arms offers classical fencing on top of historical, and the maestros there are quite literally some of the best in the world. I know a couple people on university teams who practice there in their free time.
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I'm being treated to a lot of awesome poo poo, first a head boxing coach from our local alliance is coming over to give a free of charge 3h set about strength (including gym) and speed training for boxers, and in a few weeks we'll have another 3h set about first aid in the most common MA related injuries. I love this stuff. Will also share with anyone here who is interested.
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BirdOfPlay posted:And, really, sabre is the best choice, because it's just running and hitting and doesn't take an hour to fence. I admit, I probably have the most beginner exp w/foil and I thought sabre was considered more challenging? Not to mention renting gear was kinda expensive. Wait, does that mean I can take lessons for any of the 3 weapons at no particular order ?
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Alder posted:I admit, I probably have the most beginner exp w/foil and I thought sabre was considered more challenging? Not to mention renting gear was kinda expensive. Wait, does that mean I can take lessons for any of the 3 weapons at no particular order It probably varies by club. I attend a fencing class run by a retired Olympic instructor and the way he does things is you start with foil, then learn sabre, then learn epee. Reason being is that foil is the most limited, so it's less likely stuff will go wrong. Sabre is less limited and also different enough that you need to pick up some new things. Epee has almost no limits at all compared to the other two weapons, so you don't get cut loose until you kind of know what you're doing. Once you have the basics in all three weapons usually everyone goes foil at least once on bouting (sparring) days and then you can do whatever you want. A basic summary: Foil requires you to have right of way, thrust attacks only, target is the torso (chest, stomach and back) only. Sabre requires you to have right of way, cut or thrust attacks, target is everything above the waist. Epee has no right of way, thrust attacks only, target is everything although going for the family jewels intentionally will get you yelled at. Sabre is kind of the safest because fencing weapons are basically long metal antennas, and while getting whipped by one of those can hurt like hell, it's unlikely to cause injury. Now if you're mid-thrust (which is the only attack you can do in foil/epee) and something breaks, that might result in an actual stabbing. So an actual serious injury is more likely to occur in foil or epee as opposed to sabre, owing to the lack of thrusting in sabre.
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Verisimilidude posted:Do Olympic fencing clubs drink too? I thought that was a HEMA thing. I guess swords and beer go together well. I'm glad to hear about the improvements in protective equipment and especially pleased that they're having positive results. I had assumed that the risks were coming more from the structure of the bouting than could be solved with protective equipment, specifically, ringen being allowed. Alder posted:I admit, I probably have the most beginner exp w/foil and I thought sabre was considered more challenging? Not to mention renting gear was kinda expensive. Wait, does that mean I can take lessons for any of the 3 weapons at no particular order Sabre is fun. I enjoy it because of it's simplicity of action. The tactical toolkit is light, but the speed of action and the timing of the box force your actions to be ever tighter and more refined. Whether or not you can just jump straight to sabre, varies by club. Speaking of clubs, the clubs serving NYC are all in the Metropolitan Division. I can't really suggest a club, because I don't even know where Lower NY is. All that I peeked at looked fine, it's just that most of the prices are a bit up there. Buried alive posted:Sabre is kind of the safest because fencing weapons are basically long metal antennas, and while getting whipped by one of those can hurt like hell, it's unlikely to cause injury. Now if you're mid-thrust (which is the only attack you can do in foil/epee) and something breaks, that might result in an actual stabbing. So an actual serious injury is more likely to occur in foil or epee as opposed to sabre, owing to the lack of thrusting in sabre. Umm, that's not entirely accurate.
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Well poo poo. So guys sometimes it's smart to tap out of a guillotine even if you aren't getting choked. A girl I was sparring me got me in a guillotine but I was blocking it and it just wasn't going anywhere. Still my head was jammed against her gi and now I have nice red gi-burned nose. BJJ is so much fun I can't believe it. 420 pull guard every day. Edit: I swear I'm a dumbshit who doesn't realize stretching is magic. I've been having some knee tingling/minor pains the days after judo/bjj. I'm paranoid about my knees so yeah was loosing sleep over it. The thing is now I started doing a good 15-30min stretching session with a foam roller in the evenings after practice and every morning too. Knees are normal again. I gotta get it in my head that stretching is something you just gotta do so you can do the thing you actually love to do. General Emergency fucked around with this message at 12:26 on Oct 28, 2014 |
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Curses  TBH, I just wanted to try a new weapon since I'd been practicing w/foil because it being the only one allowed for beginners/HS. Right now interest level is sabre>foil>epee. BirdOfPlay posted:Sabre is fun. I enjoy it because of it's simplicity of action. The tactical toolkit is light, but the speed of action and the timing of the box force your actions to be ever tighter and more refined. Whether or not you can just jump straight to sabre, varies by club. Reminds, me one of the reasons I liked Fencing (other than Princess Bride) is how exact and precise movements were compared to some other sports. IIRC matches would be fast and I felt my height/weight mattered less vs footwork. There's a few HS and recreational Fencing clubs local by me so I probably will be visiting those. I mean other larger HS had Fencing clubs just not mine and since it's not related to getting higher grades my parents thought it was a waste of time/$$$  Oh and HS gym classes were more about not getting maimed due to the teacher's negligence than learning new lessons. I had random people charge at me w/foils because. Alder fucked around with this message at 16:21 on Oct 28, 2014 |
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I'll be trying a Katori Shinto Ryu class this Saturday...just recently found out that there was a group here. It's of the Sugawara-branch, but they don't do any aikido in this group, so hopefully it isn't too aikido-shaped.
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Question - does watching the Rocky movies ever get old? Specifically the first one It's cool when he knocks out communism too
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Christoff posted:Question - does watching the Rocky movies ever get old? No. Also Rocky V is actually good I don't know why it gets so much flack.
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General Emergency posted:Well poo poo. So guys sometimes it's smart to tap out of a guillotine even if you aren't getting choked. A girl I was sparring me got me in a guillotine but I was blocking it and it just wasn't going anywhere. Still my head was jammed against her gi and now I have nice red gi-burned nose. I stretch every afternoon after I get home from work on days I'm not training I find just being by myself for 20 mins helps get rid of the tension of the day too, but I'm almost never injured. The only three issues I've had was 1) a bout of staph 2) a sore knee that I tore about a decade ago but that cleared up after a technique tweak and 3) a neck injury from being stacked too hard by a behemoth. Never torn a muscle or anything else lifting or training. Christoff posted:Question - does watching the Rocky movies ever get old?
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