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Asobu
Sep 16, 2007

My guitar is in my BUTT!
Soiled Meat
Thanks for the replies everyone.

I'll go ahead and become more involved. I'll do some ASME volunteering gigs, work more in my robotics club, and just try harder overall. It's REALLY comforting knowing that someone else turned out fine even though their GPA wasn't the best.

I want to do robotic Research and Development kind of stuff, but from what I read in this thread so far is that you really need a PHd or at the very least a masters for that. I'm an "idea person". Guess I'll shoot for those.

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Uncle Jam
Aug 20, 2005

Perfect
I needed a 3.3 just to enter engineering my junior year so a 2.8 is going to look bad for some people.

motoh
Oct 16, 2012

The clack of a light autocannon going off is just how you know everything's alright.
Hello again, engineering thread. Today I have weaselled my way into writing some requirements for a process for handling changes to our test flow.

What I would like to ask is what are your best starting questions/approaches when beginning a new requirements doc? Any other advice for technical writing is very welcome too.

BeefofAges
Jun 5, 2004

Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the cows of war.

"What requirements did we forget to consider for the last project?"

Popete
Oct 6, 2009

This will make sure you don't suggest to the KDz
That he should grow greens instead of crushing on MCs

Grimey Drawer

BumbleChump posted:

Thanks for the replies everyone.

I'll go ahead and become more involved. I'll do some ASME volunteering gigs, work more in my robotics club, and just try harder overall. It's REALLY comforting knowing that someone else turned out fine even though their GPA wasn't the best.

I want to do robotic Research and Development kind of stuff, but from what I read in this thread so far is that you really need a PHd or at the very least a masters for that. I'm an "idea person". Guess I'll shoot for those.

Was in the same boat coming out of college 2 years ago. Luckily I had some intern experience thanks to an awesome TA I had in my embedded electronics class, he hooked me up with a small engineering company he worked at. Definitely try to get internships, they give you a major leg up and valuable experience. I worked at a small ~10 people contract engineering firm with only 1 electrical and 1 software engineer and then me doing a mix of both. It was awesome and I got to take on some cool projects mostly by myself because of how small we where. I cannot stress enough what it means to make connections with teacher and TAs they can give you invaluable recommendations if you just show some enthusiasm and are not cripplingly anti social.

I just moved cities this summer and subsequently found myself job searching with only 1.5 years work experience post gradution I was very nervous I was going to be railroaded with limited experience and a low GPA. I only had 1 place ask me about my college GPA, after a preliminery interview in which they expressed a lot of interest in doing an in person interview. They called me back the next day to follow up as they forgot to ask about my GPA. I told them and I never heard back (hah). Oh well, I see it as there loss if they want to still hold fast to GPA cutoffs. I landed at a job at an amazing company with some really cool people and I'm not even concerned with my college grades at this point going forward. Just land that first job after school and you'll be set. Work a few years and no one will give 2 shits because it really doesn't matter. Unless of course you are going to grad school but that can be managed.

Shipon
Nov 7, 2005
What's seen as better internship experience: ones at smaller companies or larger companies? I've been working at my present internship (ChemE) for the past six months at a company of about 40 people, and I feel like I'm just doing technician level work, instead of getting the experience companies are actually looking for. The people are nice and the schedule is flexible during the year, but I just feel like a larger company might be better equipped to give projects you can actually learn from (The entire point of my major seems to be process scaling and a small company really can't do that), and would pay better to boot.

T.C.
Feb 10, 2004

Believe.

motoh posted:

Hello again, engineering thread. Today I have weaselled my way into writing some requirements for a process for handling changes to our test flow.

What I would like to ask is what are your best starting questions/approaches when beginning a new requirements doc? Any other advice for technical writing is very welcome too.

Find the company template for this type of thing. Then get really irritated because a bunch of the standard language is inherently awful and poorly thought out but you aren't supposed to change that part of the document.

Senor P.
Mar 27, 2006
I MUST TELL YOU HOW PEOPLE CARE ABOUT STUFF I DONT AND BE A COMPLETE CUNT ABOUT IT

Shipon posted:

What's seen as better internship experience: ones at smaller companies or larger companies? I've been working at my present internship (ChemE) for the past six months at a company of about 40 people, and I feel like I'm just doing technician level work, instead of getting the experience companies are actually looking for. The people are nice and the schedule is flexible during the year, but I just feel like a larger company might be better equipped to give projects you can actually learn from (The entire point of my major seems to be process scaling and a small company really can't do that), and would pay better to boot.

I think it depends. A larger company will probably look better on your resume but a smaller company will more likely be more enjoyable. The last time we had an intern at a large company we were'nt really able to get them up to speed and then just cut the string in two months.

I got a salary question for the folks in this thread.

I received my Mechanical Engr. degree roughly 3.5 years ago. I have been working at the same company for 5 years, coming this Spring. (I finished my degree while working as a technician full time.)

Any guesstimate as to what I should be looking at salary wise? I think I should be making around 72-75k(not including overtime and benefits) but maybe I'm being greedy here. I don't have my P.E., or my EIT although I'm working on it. Let's say I'm in the Gouston area..

Am I being too greedy here?

It sucks that most Engineering companies don't have worthwhile salaries and benefits AND are fun enjoyable places to work.

The Chairman
Jun 30, 2003

But you forget, mon ami, that there is evil everywhere under the sun
I know ASCE does an annual salary survey that gives civils a good sense of what they're making in relation to other civils in their region; does ASME do the same?

Corla Plankun
May 8, 2007

improve the lives of everyone

Senor P. posted:

I think it depends. A larger company will probably look better on your resume but a smaller company will more likely be more enjoyable. The last time we had an intern at a large company we were'nt really able to get them up to speed and then just cut the string in two months.

I got a salary question for the folks in this thread.

I received my Mechanical Engr. degree roughly 3.5 years ago. I have been working at the same company for 5 years, coming this Spring. (I finished my degree while working as a technician full time.)

Any guesstimate as to what I should be looking at salary wise? I think I should be making around 72-75k(not including overtime and benefits) but maybe I'm being greedy here. I don't have my P.E., or my EIT although I'm working on it. Let's say I'm in the Gouston area..

Am I being too greedy here?

It sucks that most Engineering companies don't have worthwhile salaries and benefits AND are fun enjoyable places to work.

Glassdoor gives salary info if you register (for free). That's what I use for everything and it has been very accurate (anecdotal example: I got an offer in Atlanta that was exactly what glassdoor suggested). I feel like you are low-balling yourself but that is 100% coming from my gut.

Plasmafountain
Jun 17, 2008

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Senor P.
Mar 27, 2006
I MUST TELL YOU HOW PEOPLE CARE ABOUT STUFF I DONT AND BE A COMPLETE CUNT ABOUT IT

Corla Plankun posted:

Glassdoor gives salary info if you register (for free). That's what I use for everything and it has been very accurate (anecdotal example: I got an offer in Atlanta that was exactly what glassdoor suggested). I feel like you are low-balling yourself but that is 100% coming from my gut.

Yes, but glass door does not provide information for time in position.

The Chairman
Jun 30, 2003

But you forget, mon ami, that there is evil everywhere under the sun

Zero Gravitas posted:

Does anyone have any recommendations for continuum mechanics textbooks, or a source with some worked examples (specifically about working out the spatial description of a material field/material description of spatial field)?

My lecturer in this subject think the purpose of the lecture is simply to scrawl as many equations as he can in three hours and for the life of me I cannot read twenty sides of mathematical squiggles for a general case and know what to substitute. Even one worked example would be enough, but my google-fu cannot turn up a single worked example. :(

Gurtin is a decent book, but even with a textbook, continuum mechanics is a horrible tensor explosion.

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Jun 17, 2008

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KetTarma
Jul 25, 2003

Suffer not the lobbyist to live.
In general, how are the prospects for someone looking to get hired and work as an engineer before they've graduated if all they have left is their design project class? It might come down to taking 3 hours my last semester if I take this extra class they just decided to offer this semester :3:

movax
Aug 30, 2008

Senor P. posted:

I think it depends. A larger company will probably look better on your resume but a smaller company will more likely be more enjoyable. The last time we had an intern at a large company we were'nt really able to get them up to speed and then just cut the string in two months.

I got a salary question for the folks in this thread.

I received my Mechanical Engr. degree roughly 3.5 years ago. I have been working at the same company for 5 years, coming this Spring. (I finished my degree while working as a technician full time.)

Any guesstimate as to what I should be looking at salary wise? I think I should be making around 72-75k(not including overtime and benefits) but maybe I'm being greedy here. I don't have my P.E., or my EIT although I'm working on it. Let's say I'm in the Gouston area..

Am I being too greedy here?

It sucks that most Engineering companies don't have worthwhile salaries and benefits AND are fun enjoyable places to work.

I think you're aiming low, that's based on my gut. I started around there out of school in the Midwest and that was four years ago. I had 2.5 years of co-op experience and passed the FE exam, but I don't think the latter mattered whatsoever. EE/CpE for reference.

spwrozek
Sep 4, 2006

Sail when it's windy

KetTarma posted:

In general, how are the prospects for someone looking to get hired and work as an engineer before they've graduated if all they have left is their design project class? It might come down to taking 3 hours my last semester if I take this extra class they just decided to offer this semester :3:

You will be an intern/co-op at best. I can't imagine anyone hiring you without the actual degree. I did my degree in 4.5 years and my internship my last summer was for $20/hr. I started full time at the same company at $25.48/hr after my degree.


movax posted:

I think you're aiming low, that's based on my gut. I started around there out of school in the Midwest and that was four years ago. I had 2.5 years of co-op experience and passed the FE exam, but I don't think the latter mattered whatsoever. EE/CpE for reference.

For Mechanical and Civil the FE/PE track is pushed pretty hard. When I took the test at school pretty much all of them were from those two disciplines. I would say it does matter for Senor P.

For reference I work for a large electric/gas utility and you can't get past Engineer 1 without the FE passed, can't get past Engineer 2 without the PE. Goes for Civil, Mechs, Nukes, Electricals, enviros, I guess any others we have.


Senor P. posted:

I got a salary question for the folks in this thread.

I received my Mechanical Engr. degree roughly 3.5 years ago. I have been working at the same company for 5 years, coming this Spring. (I finished my degree while working as a technician full time.)

Any guesstimate as to what I should be looking at salary wise? I think I should be making around 72-75k(not including overtime and benefits) but maybe I'm being greedy here. I don't have my P.E., or my EIT although I'm working on it. Let's say I'm in the Gouston area..

Am I being too greedy here?

It sucks that most Engineering companies don't have worthwhile salaries and benefits AND are fun enjoyable places to work.

I don't think you are being too greedy but you will never really know until you get out there and find an offer. Also for what it is worth you shouldn't even consider the years before you graduate as worth anything, no one else will care at this point.

Just for a reference point, I work in Denver/Texas, PE in both states, 6 years out of school:

Base Salary: $86K
PTO: $10.4K
Bonus Target: $9.6K (although it can actually be $14.6K)
Health and other benefits: $13.4K
Retirement Benefits: $14.5K (pension and 401K match)
Health Bonus: $0.9K
Transit Pass: $0.6K

Total compensation: $135.4K

Good pay, benefits, and a cool place to work (it does exist in engineering just have to find it). You are right though usually you can't get all three.

Thoguh
Nov 8, 2002

College Slice
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Thoguh fucked around with this message at 16:25 on Aug 10, 2023

Corla Plankun
May 8, 2007

improve the lives of everyone

Senor P. posted:

Yes, but glass door does not provide information for time in position.

That information is encoded in the job title in my experience.

KetTarma
Jul 25, 2003

Suffer not the lobbyist to live.

Thoguh posted:

Generally not going to happen, but since you're a non-traditional student it is definitely possible. I even worked with a former Air Force tech who got hired on the condition that he just start consistently working on on engineering degree once he joined the company.

I'd do it anyway though, even if it doesn't work out then your last semester can be a total blowoff, you can spend as much time as you want on your project and job searching.

I am kind of in a complicated situation. Sorry for the rambling but here goes:

I am on educational leave of absence from a major engineering corporation. My last manager wrote me great evals but didn't have the headcount to bring me back next summer. I'm now in a general pool of interns that are still getting benefits but do not have a return offer letter for next summer. I keep getting told to just apply to external positions while waiting for a manager to grab me from the intern pool. Despite this, I'm still hoping to go back next summer.

With regards to school, I basically have 12 hours planned for junior-spring semester. My senior year right now only has 12 hours for fall and 6 hours for spring. Realistically, I could probably reduce senior-spring semester to just my 3 hour Design 2 class. Regardless, I have to take at least 12 hours to get my full financial aid which leads me to my conundrum. Also complicating things is that if I decide to take a night senior design 1 class so I can work, I have to take a night senior design 2 which will suck (especially if I cant find a jerb).

Right now I guess the plan is to stay the course and take 6 hours of bs classes to keep financial aid my last semester.

Hello Sailor
May 3, 2006

we're all mad here

KetTarma posted:

Right now I guess the plan is to stay the course and take 6 hours of bs classes to keep financial aid my last semester.

Well, they don't have to be arts degree classes. You could see if you'd be able to take some graduate-level EE courses to give you a head start on completing a MS or Masters of Engineering further down the road. If that's not an option, you could take some more EE electives or interdisciplinary engineering courses to broaden your appeal to prospective employers.

spwrozek
Sep 4, 2006

Sail when it's windy

Hello Sailor posted:

Well, they don't have to be arts degree classes. You could see if you'd be able to take some graduate-level EE courses to give you a head start on completing a MS or Masters of Engineering further down the road. If that's not an option, you could take some more EE electives or interdisciplinary engineering courses to broaden your appeal to prospective employers.

I took 2 grad civil classes my last semester since I only needed 9 credits. They have actually come in pretty handy.

Hello Sailor
May 3, 2006

we're all mad here

Had a question about the FE come up. My freshman design class instructor advised me that the general portion of the FE contains questions about circuit analysis, which is a course I don't actually need to take for my major (EnvE). I'm strongly against taking unnecessary courses, partly because I'm old and don't want this degree to take any longer than it has to and partly because I'm already going to hit the maximum number of credit hours after which I no longer qualify for financial aid (thanks to wasting several credit hours when I was younger and dumber).

Should I really take circuit analysis anyway or can I get by just fine with a good textbook (and can someone recommend an older one I can pick up cheap)?

The Chairman
Jun 30, 2003

But you forget, mon ami, that there is evil everywhere under the sun

Hello Sailor posted:

Should I really take circuit analysis anyway or can I get by just fine with a good textbook (and can someone recommend an older one I can pick up cheap)?

Take an FE prep course/buy a FE study guide specifically. It'll cover what you need of circuit analysis (and kinematics and engineering economics and whatever other topics you've never studied before) with strategies how to solve the kinds of problems you'll encounter on the exam.

spwrozek
Sep 4, 2006

Sail when it's windy

Just get this book and you should be able to learn what you need. Also you can look at how many actual circuit questions there are and weigh that against spending any time learning it (I think it was 6 when I took it, but our CE/EnvE department required us to take a circuits class). This book and a bunch of practice problems will be just fine to pass.

http://ppi2pass.com/fe-review-manual-3rd-edition-ferm3-print.html

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



Yeah, when I took the FE the circuits questions weren't much harder than what's covered in general calc-based physics.

spwrozek
Sep 4, 2006

Sail when it's windy

I just saw a terrific title on LinkedIn... Senior Engineer in Training.

Big Spoon
Jan 29, 2009

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Feel that feelin'
I am a meteorology graduate from Penn State but I am interested in transitioning into environmental engineering. I am currently studying to the FE sometime in the next couple of months. I have two questions:
1) Do you know of anyone who made a similar jump?
2) Assuming I pass the FE, would my meteo education from Penn State be enough to get my EIT license? I'm in Texas if that matters.

Corla Plankun
May 8, 2007

improve the lives of everyone
Check out rule 133.31 here: http://www.tbpe.state.tx.us/downloads/law&rules.pdf

There's a lot of conditions and it seems unlikely that meteorology could satisfy them but I don't know that much about meteorology degrees.

The Chairman
Jun 30, 2003

But you forget, mon ami, that there is evil everywhere under the sun

Big Spoon posted:

2) Assuming I pass the FE, would my meteo education from Penn State be enough to get my EIT license? I'm in Texas if that matters.

In TX, your meteorology degree would have to have covered 8 credits of calculus and 20 credits of engineering sciences (so, for EnE, things like wastewater treatment, transport phenomena, site remediation, and so forth). If you can't meet that, you'd want to look into getting an M.Eng or M.S. in EnE rather than hope your bachelor's squeaks past the degree evaluation.

KetTarma
Jul 25, 2003

Suffer not the lobbyist to live.

Big Spoon posted:

I am a meteorology graduate from Penn State but I am interested in transitioning into environmental engineering. I am currently studying to the FE sometime in the next couple of months. I have two questions:
1) Do you know of anyone who made a similar jump?
2) Assuming I pass the FE, would my meteo education from Penn State be enough to get my EIT license? I'm in Texas if that matters.

Keep in mind that EIT/PE is a state-by-state licensure process. One state is under no obligation to honor a PE earned in a different state.. so keep that in mind if you decide to pursue a professional engineering license. State matters -a lot-

Big Spoon
Jan 29, 2009

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Need that feelin'
Love that feelin'
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The Chairman posted:

In TX, your meteorology degree would have to have covered 8 credits of calculus and 20 credits of engineering sciences (so, for EnE, things like wastewater treatment, transport phenomena, site remediation, and so forth). If you can't meet that, you'd want to look into getting an M.Eng or M.S. in EnE rather than hope your bachelor's squeaks past the degree evaluation.

I have calc up through differential equations so that should be good. I don't think I can get into a MS program without the EIT though.

The Chairman
Jun 30, 2003

But you forget, mon ami, that there is evil everywhere under the sun

Big Spoon posted:

I have calc up through differential equations so that should be good. I don't think I can get into a MS program without the EIT though.

I don't think I've ever seen a grad program that required you to have an EIT, honestly; at most they'll ask non-engineers to pass the FE exam to demonstrate basic competency, but you don't need the state certificate

Big Spoon
Jan 29, 2009

Want that feelin'
Need that feelin'
Love that feelin'
Feel that feelin'

The Chairman posted:

I don't think I've ever seen a grad program that required you to have an EIT, honestly; at most they'll ask non-engineers to pass the FE exam to demonstrate basic competency, but you don't need the state certificate

Hopefully not. I applied to the University of Houston and got shot down once. I'm looking at getting an EIT mostly to bolster my chances of getting into a master's program.

RogueLemming
Sep 11, 2006

Spinning or Deformed?

The Chairman posted:

I don't think I've ever seen a grad program that required you to have an EIT, honestly; at most they'll ask non-engineers to pass the FE exam to demonstrate basic competency, but you don't need the state certificate

Given that a lot of professors don't have/aren't eligible for their own PE, I would hope that any grad program requiring an EIT would be ridiculed mercilessly.

RedReverend
Feb 15, 2003

Most of my professors had passed the FE as it is an academic exam and not a practical knowledge exam. In my experience, they knew little about how these concepts were actually used in the industry. I was working while attending university and frequently found myself thinking, "That isn't how we do it at work."

Xeom
Mar 16, 2007
Yesterday I accepted a job offer, after six months of job hunting lightning finally struck. The position is with a fairly large disposable containers company, they own solo cups. I will be working as a process engineer. This will be my first engineering job, and I wan't to do the best I can. What sort of advice do you guys have for someone about to start their first engineer job.

Star War Sex Parrot
Oct 2, 2003

Xeom posted:

What sort of advice do you guys have for someone about to start their first engineer job.
You don't know poo poo. Seriously.

Listen to criticism (hopefully it's constructive). Learn from your peers. Stay humble. Communicate effectively.

BeefofAges
Jun 5, 2004

Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the cows of war.

Xeom posted:

What sort of advice do you guys have for someone about to start their first engineer job.

Just chill, you're expected to be 100% useless for a good while. Ask questions if you don't know what's going on. Listen carefully when people are talking. Don't get drunk at work.

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RogueLemming
Sep 11, 2006

Spinning or Deformed?

BeefofAges posted:

Don't get drunk at work.

Please tell me there is a story here.

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