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The Holy Roman Emperor has become the pope. It's been that way for a few decades now. His vassals all hate him, but there haven't been any revolts for the longest time. Is there a reason for this?
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Oct 26, 2014 18:02
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Teddles posted:The Holy Roman Emperor has become the pope. It's been that way for a few decades now. His vassals all hate him, but there haven't been any revolts for the longest time. Is there a reason for this?
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Oct 26, 2014 18:15
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shortspecialbus posted:Anyone have any idea? Bug? Do you lose this mechanic after you become King of Sweden? This kind of sucks because there's nothing for me to do now except raid with my piddly waste of a retinue that makes me about 3 gold a year if I do a good job raiding with it because of the expense of itself and boats. Using my levy seems to be even more of a waste since it costs even more than the retinue I think, although I can raid a bit better with more than the lovely 350 man retinue. You lose the subjugation CB after you use it once per lifetime. You get unlimited uses within your de jute kingdom if you have the "become king of ___" ambition.
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Oct 26, 2014 18:17
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Strudel Man posted:I don't think factions can form in a theocracy, if that's what your Holy Holy Roman Empire is considered to be. Succession is by investiture, if that's what you mean.
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Oct 26, 2014 18:18
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Teddles posted:The Holy Roman Emperor has become the pope. It's been that way for a few decades now. His vassals all hate him, but there haven't been any revolts for the longest time. Is there a reason for this? how did this happen?
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Oct 26, 2014 18:21
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Apoffys posted:Raiding has become much more difficult to get started with it seems, because you start out with 0 boats and have to ever so slowly build up a large enough fleet to do anything. I don't know what determines if ship levies "spawn" and how quickly they do so, but they only seem to appear if my army levies are full and no ship levies are raised. This of course means I have to sit on my hands and not fight anyone or do any raiding for several years before I can even get started with raiding... You should get claims on their counties and you can revoke without vassal penalty (on the counties) if you have the laws to do so, at least in my experience. The Duchy not so much, but in my case I was able to just execute him for a -10 relations hit and inherit because his family was dead and he was in my prison as part of his surrender. Average Bear posted:You lose the subjugation CB after you use it once per lifetime. You get unlimited uses within your de jute kingdom if you have the "become king of ___" ambition. I'm talking about Conquest CB.
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Oct 26, 2014 18:21
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shortspecialbus posted:I'm talking about Conquest CB. I'm playing my first Norse game and I've never seen it. It might be bugged.
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Oct 26, 2014 18:34
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Conquest CB is only available against rulers of other religions.
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Oct 26, 2014 18:50
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shortspecialbus posted:Anyone have any idea? Bug? Do you lose this mechanic after you become King of Sweden? This kind of sucks because there's nothing for me to do now except raid with my piddly waste of a retinue that makes me about 3 gold a year if I do a good job raiding with it because of the expense of itself and boats. Using my levy seems to be even more of a waste since it costs even more than the retinue I think, although I can raid a bit better with more than the lovely 350 man retinue. ...I'm pretty sure it doesn't cost 1 gold/month for 350 once they're reinforced up. Like, I've got a giant block of Welsh archers that doesn't cost that much more than that. Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Oct 26, 2014 |
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Oct 26, 2014 18:50
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For whatever reason right-click doesn't work in CK2 for me now. Is anyone else who plays this on a Mac having the same problem?
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Oct 26, 2014 18:56
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canada jezus posted:Say you are a jewish/muslim whatever count under a orthodox duke in the empire. How exactly do you go about improving your position? Fake a claim somewhere and conquer outside of the empire? The first thing you'll probably want to do is plot for your liege's duchy. You can still fight plot/anti-tyranny related wars under medium and above crown authority so that's the easiest way to expand first. After that, depending on the mood of the empire in general, you'll either want to start pushing for lower crown authority with factions and conquer within the empire once you get it down below medium, or start taking land outside the empire if you're on the border and there are independent counts/dukes that you can reasonably defeat. Playing under another ruler always makes for an interesting game because you can't just do whatever you want like you can as independent. You can also try making factions to push for elective monarchy and try to get yourself voted emperor, although as a non-Christian most of the electors probably won't like you enough to vote for you. *edit* can Muslims not legitimize bastards? I've got a genius bastard son I'd really like to make an heir but I don't have the decision available. It has my current ruler listed as the father so he's acknowledged (I never got the popup though, is that a thing?). I'm running the beta patch if that makes any difference. The Cheshire Cat fucked around with this message at 19:42 on Oct 26, 2014 |
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Oct 26, 2014 19:10
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Teddles posted:The Holy Roman Emperor has become the pope. It's been that way for a few decades now. His vassals all hate him, but there haven't been any revolts for the longest time. Is there a reason for this? How? I just imagine the Holy Roman Emperor travelling to Rome for his coronation, only for the Pope to say, "Haha, just kidding" and crown himself instead.
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Oct 26, 2014 20:08
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Teddles posted:The Holy Roman Emperor has become the pope. It's been that way for a few decades now. His vassals all hate him, but there haven't been any revolts for the longest time. Is there a reason for this? I had all of Scotland conquered by the Norse, then they lost a liberation revolt which for some reason lead to a bishop becoming independent. The Prince-Archbishop ended up Holy Warring the rest of them and now Scotland is the Theocracy of Scotland.
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Oct 26, 2014 20:09
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Spiderfist Island posted:For whatever reason right-click doesn't work in CK2 for me now. Is anyone else who plays this on a Mac having the same problem? Yeah I get it periodically, but a restart always fixes it for me.
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Oct 26, 2014 21:13
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Maybe a guy with claims on the Empire got elected Pope and then a faction installed him on the throne?
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Oct 26, 2014 21:37
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Tevery Best posted:Maybe a guy with claims on the Empire got elected Pope and then a faction installed him on the throne? Either that, or the other way, someone with a claim on the Papacy became Emperor, and then pressed his own claim.
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Oct 26, 2014 22:06
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Is there a good reason why you can't press your claims or something in a defensive war if you win? I get that it would take effort to add the mechanic to the game, but is there a good reason why they haven't bothered? It's just really annoying to win a huge defensive war and then get practically nothing as a reward. At least against richer nations you can demand a decent sum of money as reparations, but if you fight off some dirt poor tribe you barely get enough to pay for troop upkeep during the war.
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Oct 26, 2014 22:39
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shortspecialbus posted:Anyone have any idea? Bug? Do you lose this mechanic after you become King of Sweden? This kind of sucks because there's nothing for me to do now except raid with my piddly waste of a retinue that makes me about 3 gold a year if I do a good job raiding with it because of the expense of itself and boats. Using my levy seems to be even more of a waste since it costs even more than the retinue I think, although I can raid a bit better with more than the lovely 350 man retinue. 13 gold a year...I don't think so. I have 4k retinue cap worth of skirmishers and light skirmishers and it does't even cost me a ducat a month when full.
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Oct 26, 2014 22:46
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Knuc U Kinte posted:13 gold a year...I don't think so. I have 4k retinue cap worth of skirmishers and light skirmishers and it does't even cost me a ducat a month when full. He's probably talking about the reinforcing. If he has a more expensive retinue that's about right.
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Oct 26, 2014 23:05
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MegaGatts posted:He's probably talking about the reinforcing. If he has a more expensive retinue that's about right. Yeah but that was about how it was before, and he said it wasn't reinforcing. Though he is probably just exaggerating like most people talking about retinues.
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Oct 26, 2014 23:10
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Apoffys posted:Is there a good reason why you can't press your claims or something in a defensive war if you win? I get that it would take effort to add the mechanic to the game, but is there a good reason why they haven't bothered? Yeah it seems odd, especially as this is how it works in the EU games. There should be a crap general negative modifier for aggressors who lose badly. Also, Dear Paradox, I know you read this thread, so I must tell you that your duchy of Normandy is simply unacceptable in the context of pre 1066 starts :sperg:
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Oct 26, 2014 23:14
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Bishop Rodan posted:I had all of Scotland conquered by the Norse, then they lost a liberation revolt which for some reason lead to a bishop becoming independent. The Prince-Archbishop ended up Holy Warring the rest of them and now Scotland is the Theocracy of Scotland. I can do you one better  Theocracy of England and Scotland. Absolute CA too.  Last I checked, he had one vassal with a positive opinion of him (positive being the number '1'.) Everyone else pegged him to -100.How this happened: this landless bloke had a strong claim to England-Scotland so I invited him to court and pressed his English claim. Apparently the only holding the previous King had in England proper was a bishopric, so he became a bishop and then King-Bishop. monster on a stick fucked around with this message at 23:28 on Oct 26, 2014 |
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Oct 26, 2014 23:23
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Bitter Mushroom posted:Yeah it seems odd, especially as this is how it works in the EU games. There should be a crap general negative modifier for aggressors who lose badly. I think it's just meant to be a feudal thing - wars are over specific titles rather than just two guys feeling a bit scrappy and taking whatever they can from each other. Does losing a war if you're the aggressor make you lose the claim (provided it's not a de jure claim or non-claim based CB like holy wars or conquest)? I know there's some CB that makes that happen if you lose but I might be thinking of a plotting related one.
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Oct 26, 2014 23:46
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KOraithER posted:Conquest CB is only available against rulers of other religions. Reloading twice fixed it. Not once, but twice.  Knuc U Kinte posted:13 gold a year...I don't think so. I have 4k retinue cap worth of skirmishers and light skirmishers and it does't even cost me a ducat a month when full. You're right - it was reinforcing. It's something like 1 gold for 250. Still pretty pricey to reinforce. Also, any idea what I'm losing 10 moral authority for "Irminsul Destroyed" for? I successfully defended a crusade to a white peace, but I don't think it has to do with that - my guess is a holy site was somehow destroyed. How does that happen? I'm in control of someone else's holy site, can I torch it?
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Oct 26, 2014 23:52
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On the flip side, after winning a defensive war you can immediately attack your aggressor without penalty, since the truce only applies to the attacker. After losing a war, your enemy probably doesn't have many levies to call on and it should be a cakewalk to victory. Still, it would be nicer if you could add war goals mid-stream like other Paradox games.
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Oct 26, 2014 23:55
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Bitter Mushroom posted:Also, Dear Paradox, I know you read this thread, so I must tell you that your duchy of Normandy is simply unacceptable in the context of pre 1066 starts :sperg: What would replace it in the earlier start dates? I was thinking the same thing, but I don't know a drat thing about feudal French history.
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Oct 26, 2014 23:57
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brocretin posted:What would replace it in the earlier start dates? I was thinking the same thing, but I don't know a drat thing about feudal French history. The Duchy of North Men.
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Oct 27, 2014 00:01
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I just subjugated the Kingdom of Bihar as the Kingdom of Orissa, and I can't get Primogeniture to keep it with my heir because my petition for High Crown Authority is hung up in voting. All the opposition have a positive opinion of me. Nothing amazing, but between 20-60. I've bribed most of them, and still nothing. Am I just hosed or is there anything I can do to fix it? If it comes down to it I'll just switch to Ultimageniture in both kingdoms.
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Oct 27, 2014 00:10
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brocretin posted:What would replace it in the earlier start dates? I was thinking the same thing, but I don't know a drat thing about feudal French history. Eseentially the area that became the Duchy of Normandy came under the control of Franks under Clovis I in the late 5th century. For the next few centuries, it was a part of Neustria and later West Francia in 843. During this time, wealthy aristocrats built many abbeys in the area which became the target of the Vikings starting around 790. The Vikings did so much damage that the Carolingians had to give away part of their territory to the Bretons, who established a march there. Paris was sieged on a couple of occasions, once in 845 by Ragnar and against a few decades later by Rollo. The raids were so damaging that Rollo was eventually given land in Normandy in 911, as long as he would protect the area against other Vikings. He sorta kinda did that but also grabbed a bunch of land to the west and expanded his realm through conquest and turned it into a duchy. E: To answer the question there really weren't any duchies in France before the 10th century (in the sense that no one was really called a dux.) Don Pigeon fucked around with this message at 00:19 on Oct 27, 2014 |
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Oct 27, 2014 00:15
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shortspecialbus posted:Also, any idea what I'm losing 10 moral authority for "Irminsul Destroyed" for? I successfully defended a crusade to a white peace, but I don't think it has to do with that - my guess is a holy site was somehow destroyed. How does that happen? I'm in control of someone else's holy site, can I torch it? It's a story event during the invasion of Saxony that kicks off early on in the Charlemagne start. If (when) the Karling blob takes the county with Irminsul, the Germanic holy site in Saxony, they can choose to leave it, build a church over it, or burn it. The effect of it should disappear after ten years.
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Oct 27, 2014 00:19
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Mystic_Shadow posted:Eseentially the area that became the Duchy of Normandy came under the control of Franks under Clovis I in the late 5th century. For the next few centuries, it was a part of Neustria and later West Francia in 843. During this time, wealthy aristocrats built many abbeys in the area which became the target of the Vikings starting around 790. The Vikings did so much damage that the Carolingians had to give away part of their territory to the Bretons, who established a march there. Paris was sieged on a couple of occasions, once in 845 by Ragnar and against a few decades later by Rollo. The raids were so damaging that Rollo was eventually given land in Normandy in 911, as long as he would protect the area against other Vikings. He sorta kinda did that but also grabbed a bunch of land to the west and expanded his realm through conquest and turned it into a duchy. So it wasn't like this then: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y30nGVHZe24 I imagine it works the way it does just because the game probably isn't set up to allow for duchies to change de jure borders/be created whole cloth during the game the way you can with kingdoms/empires. The various titular duchies never have the ability to become more than that - all they do is allow you as the owner to have counts as vassals.
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Oct 27, 2014 00:27
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Tehan posted:It's a story event during the invasion of Saxony that kicks off early on in the Charlemagne start. If (when) the Karling blob takes the county with Irminsul, the Germanic holy site in Saxony, they can choose to leave it, build a church over it, or burn it. Ah, great. Thanks. My moral authority has dropped down to 18% because everyone else is an rear end in a top hat and I'm either stuck with truces for everyone I can conquest or I don't have a CB. When does the "any coastal" portion of the Conquest CB start to take effect? I'd love to thump Denmark because they're weak as hell after getting hosed up by some insane holy order during their attempt to get Holstein. Maybe I could just go the old fashioned route of fabricating a claim on parts of it.
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Oct 27, 2014 01:42
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shortspecialbus posted:Ah, great. Thanks. My moral authority has dropped down to 18% because everyone else is an rear end in a top hat and I'm either stuck with truces for everyone I can conquest or I don't have a CB. It's at the start of the Viking age, which kicks in about 50 years or so after the CM start? It's usually not a long wait.
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Oct 27, 2014 01:56
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The more I watch the AI conduct wars now the less sense the system makes. It takes way too long for a war to conclude because the score always hovers around +/- 30% and sieges aren't necessarily enough to move the score up. I'm watching a slapfight between the Greeks and the Muslims right now and the Muslims have about 8000 men just standing around Anatolia while the Byzantines with 5000 men just sit there and scowl because they can't do anything. This has been going on for years.
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Oct 27, 2014 01:57
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The Cheshire Cat posted:It's at the start of the Viking age, which kicks in about 50 years or so after the CM start? It's usually not a long wait. That happened for me in 792ish (where you get automatic boats, right?) and I still can't conquest coastal provinces that aren't adjacent to me. Edit: fixed date ssb fucked around with this message at 02:13 on Oct 27, 2014 |
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Oct 27, 2014 01:57
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Apoffys posted:Speaking of barbarians, what determines whether I take or vassalize titles when using the "subjugation" CB? It's a bit annoying to fight a huge war with someone to "subjugate them" and only take their king-title, while they get to keep their 3 duchies and every single piece of their demesne. To answer this question, you vassalise them if they have no land outside the DJ kingdom you're subjugating. I don't know how it works for their vassals, but I assume it works the same.
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Oct 27, 2014 01:59
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I appreciate this probably gets asked quite often but is there a more recent instructive LP that goons would recommend for the clueless than in the OP. I keep coming back to this because I know I'll enjoy it once things click into place, but I just don't seem to be reaching that point. Even hours into a game I feel like my character is doing nothing and I'm just staring at a map waiting for a pop up.
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Oct 27, 2014 03:28
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Rather Dashing posted:I appreciate this probably gets asked quite often but is there a more recent instructive LP that goons would recommend for the clueless than in the OP. Search for Arumba's tutorial on YouTube. It doesn't cover Charlemagne but is only a few months old. All of his stuff his great, really. Just pick a series and watch and learn.
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Oct 27, 2014 03:55
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Monopthalmus posted:Search for Arumba's tutorial on YouTube. It doesn't cover Charlemagne but is only a few months old. All of his stuff his great, really. Just pick a series and watch and learn. Arumba is doing one on Charlemagne (as a norse republic, I think!) right now actually, but the one linked a few pages back to me by Arumba was stupidly useful. Also gently caress you gavelkind in tribal - I had taken all of Sweden and Finland but refrained from creating the Kingdom of Finland, and then when I died my heir got Sweden and the second son got Finland and went independent. Another son also went independent in my De Jure kingdom but I just asked him to vassalize and he said yes immediately so on that.But dammit, I'm never going to become emperor this way. Although I can't see getting emperor of Scandinavia before 820, heh. My brother also doesn't like me because apparently someone pillaged his lands and he blames me. It actually wasn't me and must have been a vassal, and I don't know how he *started* with that malus seeing as I checked it the second he inherited Finland. I was pillaging but I was off in England and Francia. So what the gently caress on that. Seriously I could have created Finland anytime and I was only 2 counties short of getting Norway as well, and then it was just a matter of money for Emperor  Edit: As a second thing, learn to play most times on full speed (all 5 bars or whatever.) It's way less boring and things happen. Start on 4 until you get used to it, and then switch to 5. Drop to 3 or 4 for raiding or other wartime stuff. Also don't be afraid to pause a lot to do poo poo when you need to. ssb fucked around with this message at 04:38 on Oct 27, 2014 |
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Oct 27, 2014 04:23
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Any chance we'll be getting an After the End release sometime soon? I think the last version I have is 0.2 and it's CTDing when I try to start it up.
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