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CBeebies is good and objective and they give coverage to green issues (Mr. Bloom's Nursery even features talking vegetables) and international stories and cultures (Tinga Tinga Tales), awareness of your rights in trade and employment (Short Change - is that still on? It was like Watchdog for kids) and have a whole bunch of shows that portray ethnic minorities, girls and disabled kids in a positive light. The rest of the network ought to study it and learn from it to improve all their shows. They made a start with Lizo Mzimba; he was my favourite presenter when he was on Newsround when I was a kid because he didn't talk down to us, and now he's on the proper World Service and he hasn't changed his reporting style at all. 
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Stottie Kyek posted:They made a start with Lizo Mzimba; he was my favourite presenter when he was on Newsround when I was a kid because he didn't talk down to us, and now he's on the proper World Service and he hasn't changed his reporting style at all. You just reminded me of this: http://cambridge.tab.co.uk/2010/03/11/lizo-mzimba-an-apology/
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Oct 27, 2014 15:24
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I'm not a lizo fan and the thing to remember is this: if he were any good he'd still be on the telly. Plus, I think the net result of not talking down to children is raising the most entitled generation the world has ever seen. If you're too old for newsround, watch the proper news later on. Why this obsession with ensuring children are properly catered for? They're children, they shouldn't be watching TV anyway!
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Oct 27, 2014 15:36
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Stottie Kyek posted:They made a start with Lizo Mzimba; he was my favourite presenter when he was on Newsround when I was a kid because he didn't talk down to us, and now he's on the proper World Service and he hasn't changed his reporting style at all. John Craven didn't talk down to children, neither did Krishnan Gurumurthy iirc. Newsround was always amazing for the way it covered even terrible stories in a way that children could understand. John Craven is one of the presenters that a Yewtree revelation would destroy a lot of my childhood memories. I met him at London Zoo way back when I was around 7 or 8 and still have the photo of him with his arm around me.... Oh god.
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Oct 27, 2014 15:38
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Burqa King posted:Why this obsession with ensuring children are properly catered for? They're children, they shouldn't be watching TV anyway! Educate, Inform and Entertain.
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Oct 27, 2014 15:40
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Oct 27, 2014 15:46
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Burqa King posted:I am! You're the AntiReith.
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Oct 27, 2014 15:52
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HortonNash posted:John Craven didn't talk down to children, neither did Krishnan Gurumurthy iirc. Newsround was always amazing for the way it covered even terrible stories in a way that children could understand. No doubt many "witty" variations of Country PAEDOfile have been prepared just in case.
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Oct 27, 2014 15:58
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HortonNash posted:John Craven didn't talk down to children, neither did Krishnan Gurumurthy iirc. Newsround was always amazing for the way it covered even terrible stories in a way that children could understand. That's a top class celeb encounter. So when were you released into the wild?
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Oct 27, 2014 16:01
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Burqa King posted:That's a top class celeb encounter. So when were you released into the wild? Old enough to have fond memories of a broom closet and be terrified of Mr Bronsan.
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Oct 27, 2014 16:11
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Hardtalk is pretty good (especially when Zainab Badawi is on it, she's like Paxman but she's disarmingly polite and often gets some very interesting answers out of the interviewees) and Panorama does a lot of good investigative journalism when it's not just talking heads, and BBC4 has a lot of good science and modern history shows. The best BBC shows are on late at night, on BBC4 or on the World Service, the main two channels aren't usually much good. edit: HortonNash posted:John Craven didn't talk down to children, neither did Krishnan Gurumurthy iirc. Newsround was always amazing for the way it covered even terrible stories in a way that children could understand. I did not know Krishnan started on Newsround, good lord. He's great, I liked his interviews of Esther McVey and the A4e people.
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Oct 27, 2014 16:12
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The biggest PR problem the Greens have is that the affluent privately educated people who get to be journalists think most working class people are chavs/UKIP voters and so they genuinely thought they were being fair and reasonable by giving Farage all that attention over the past few years. Greens issues are just not something Journalists think the working class care about, their equality policies are again considered a middle class issue. As Stewart Lee has highlighted, people like Red Robbo have been purged from the popular consciousness and media landscape. Politics have been professionalised and only the middle class on up can hold progressive views. See also the concept of "Serious people". Edit: Stottie Kyek posted:I did not know Krishnan started on Newsround, good lord. He's great, I liked his interviews of Esther McVey and the A4e people. McVey got her start on How Do They Do That of course. The BBC giveth and the BBC taketh away. ReV VAdAUL fucked around with this message at 16:20 on Oct 27, 2014 |
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Oct 27, 2014 16:18
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Channel 4 Dispatches tonight is on Universal Credit, if anyone else is interested. It will be on our television sets at 8pm ugh they have called the episode Benefits Britain 
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Oct 27, 2014 17:01
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Sounds good. I can't make it but if someone can précis it I will read it tomorrow
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Oct 27, 2014 17:39
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Nick Robinson. That's really all you should have to say to anyone who defends the BBC's post-Hutton political coverage.
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Oct 27, 2014 17:49
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What's wrong with Nick Robinson? Also did anyone see that common beardy bloke off the telly put his hand in Evan Davies's thigh over 9000 times on newsnight last week? That was hard to watch
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Oct 27, 2014 18:25
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Burqa King posted:What's wrong with Nick Robinson? Also did anyone see that common beardy bloke off the telly put his hand in Evan Davies's thigh over 9000 times on newsnight last week? That was hard to watch What's wrong with him? He's a Tory.
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Oct 27, 2014 18:31
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Burqa King posted:What's wrong with Nick Robinson? He was head of the Young Conservatives at Oxford.
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Oct 27, 2014 18:35
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He's also rumoured to be a big fan of Nigel Farage.
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Oct 27, 2014 18:38
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He was [?]Chairman of the Young Conservatives at uni iirc.
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Oct 27, 2014 19:08
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Politics is great: the greens are so non-existent in Canterbury that they asked one of my hippy friends to run in 2015. She referred them to me. Anyone else fancy it? I'm obviously not as ridiculously aggressive in person as I pretend to be online but I'm still not the best choice to represent a party in public if they like getting their money back in white people mecca.
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Oct 27, 2014 19:26
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http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/johann-lamont-quits-gordon-brown-4518919 Looks like the Scottish Labour leadership election will probably be straight left v right, Neil Findlay and Jim Murphy. We might actually see some principled, effective opposition from Labour.
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So what's the over/under on Findlay actually becoming leader? He does seem to be a bit less than completely afraid of doing anything left-wing so surely he won't have a lot of friends high up in the party.
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Angepain posted:So what's the over/under on Findlay actually becoming leader? He does seem to be a bit less than completely afraid of doing anything left-wing so surely he won't have a lot of friends high up in the party. The unions like him and against Murphy that means he probably has 1/3rd of the electoral college votes already. The problem will be that like Keiza he is an 2011 accidental list MSP, and he has said some things which will not gel with Labour's 2015 strategy. The last Scottish Labour leader to actively go against the marching orders of London was Wendy Alexander and that ended brilliantly for her. If he gets in over Murphy and tries to operate like Lamont did then he'll be sidelined in the same way. If he is smart then he will repeat what Murdo Fraser did for the Scottish Tory leadership election, and run on a leadership platform that the party should become functionally separate. twoot fucked around with this message at 20:08 on Oct 27, 2014 |
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Oct 27, 2014 20:05
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With what's come out about Lamont being held back by Milliband, seems like it doesn't actually matter which one wins.
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Heard talk from Labourites today about rallying round Findlay as the "Holyrood" candidate to resist an MP taking it. Also a lot of the rank and file membership really bloody hate Murphy. I don't really know much about Findlay though. I've been asked to run a few times for things, which I find utterly hilarious and have usually laughed in the faces of those offering. Not to rule it out forever, but at my age, I should not be representing anything remotely serious (also I have zero interest in being at Westminster, it's all about Holyrood  )
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BisonDollah posted:The BBC are horrific, I hate them with a passion. Green Party who are next to a box in the UK general election, I meant, btw. Thanks for the correction, you big beast you. Perhaps I've just been left bitter and jaded by the current state of politics, but having read through the green party manifesto it comes across as a wishlist of ways to fix various things without any practical idea of how they are going to do it. Assuming they don't do a LibDem and abandon all their promises the second they sniff a shred of power. Plus a lot of there stuff comes across as frankly ill considered, such as : Banning causing any harm to animals in research and testing - I personally completely oppose animal testing for the purposes of cosmetics and alike, but all research? Animal testing is a vital part of medical science, and jeopardising potentially life saving research for the same of some animals is frankly bollocks. Prohibiting new car parks on new retail developments except for the disabled. - Thats a brilliant idea, have a nice new retail development with nowhere to park for 90% of people. If people can't park their cars, they won't go there, which means they won't be spending their money in these shiny new retail places. Phasing out nuclear power - We are already worried about not having enough power in the future at peak times with our current level of power generation, and everyone seems onboard with renewables until NIMBYism inevitably strikes. More anti nuclear hysteria by the looks of it. Bringing back the fuel duty escalator to discourage use of fossil fuels and increase fuel price - gently caress right off. We already pay more for fuel than anyone else in Europe, it doesn't need to go up more. Reduce the speed limit on motorways to 55mph to make them safer - Uh what? Motorways are already the safest roads in the UK, they're nice, big and wide, and everyone is going in the same direction. I would even go so far as to say you could increase the speed limit to 80mph with no issues whatsoever. I know its a bit of a hodge podge of the stuff I've picked out, but I just can't see the every day person looking at stuff like that and thinking "yeah, that all sounds like a brilliant idea!". They're just completely unelectable.
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Ludicro posted:Perhaps I've just been left bitter and jaded by the current state of politics, but having read through the green party manifesto it comes across as a wishlist of ways to fix various things without any practical idea of how they are going to do it. Assuming they don't do a LibDem and abandon all their promises the second they sniff a shred of power. I've posted it before but... The animal rights stuff is downright kicking the sick and disabled. They want a ban on xenotransplantation (okay to eat pigs, but don't try to use their heart valves to cure the sick!) and research using animals, so thats the end of the British biotech industry (one of our biggest industries), then? The Greens never have to worry about being in power, so they can offer their middle class target demographic pretty much anything. The anti-nuclear, anti-GMO stuff are points of faith for them, fundamental not based on evidence. Even Friends of the Earth have revised their nuclear policy in light of global climate change. I hadn't seen the 55mph thing before though, that's just precious.
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Ludicro posted:Perhaps I've just been left bitter and jaded by the current state of politics, but having read through the green party manifesto it comes across as a wishlist of ways to fix various things without any practical idea of how they are going to do it. Assuming they don't do a LibDem and abandon all their promises the second they sniff a shred of power. Can I get a link to that, I've never heard of some of those policies before.
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I'd take all of those over "Lets starve the poor and give tax cuts to the rich" any day.
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Stottie Kyek posted:I did not know Krishnan started on Newsround, good lord. He's great, I liked his interviews of Esther McVey and the A4e people.
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ThomasPaine posted:Can I get a link to that, I've never heard of some of those policies before. http://www.greenparty.org.uk/assets/files/resources/Manifesto_web_file.pdf I've just noticed its the 2010 manifesto, but the only other one I can find is their 2014 European Manifesto. Gonzo McFee posted:I'd take all of those over "Lets starve the poor and give tax cuts to the rich" any day. I'd rather have a party that has fair policies based on common sense, but thats as likely as the Greens getting into power.
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Ludicro posted:http://www.greenparty.org.uk/assets/files/resources/Manifesto_web_file.pdf Yeah, politics is always about the least worst candidate. I disagree with the Greens on a lot less than I disagree with the rest.
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Nah, gently caress common sense. Common sense is almost always a way of saying "Don't tell me I'm wrong or ask for evidence, I'm right because that's the consensus among people who also don't want to give evidence." We could get a society based on evidence but that almost always flies in the face of common sense.
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HortonNash posted:I hadn't seen the 55mph thing before though, that's just precious. Gonzo McFee posted:I'd take all of those over "Lets starve the poor and give tax cuts to the rich" any day.
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Gonzo McFee posted:Nah, gently caress common sense. Common sense is almost always a way of saying "Don't tell me I'm wrong or ask for evidence, I'm right because that's the consensus among people who also don't want to give evidence." http://freethoughtblogs.com/crommunist/2011/10/04/another-victory-of-evidence-over-common-sense-in-canada/
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Ludicro posted:Banning causing any harm to animals in research and testing - I personally completely oppose animal testing for the purposes of cosmetics and alike, but all research? Animal testing is a vital part of medical science, and jeopardising potentially life saving research for the same of some animals is frankly bollocks.
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Ludicro posted:Reduce the speed limit on motorways to 55mph to make them safer - Uh what? Motorways are already the safest roads in the UK, they're nice, big and wide, and everyone is going in the same direction. I would even go so far as to say you could increase the speed limit to 80mph with no issues whatsoever.
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You could probably raise it to 80 with no problem because a huge amount of cars are already going 80 anyway.
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