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So how long until the right speculates that Hillary is too old? Or have they already started that?
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Warcabbit posted:So who can we say for sure is running? Hill-dawg, Jeb, Rand Paul? Gov. Thomas Carcetti.
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Oct 27, 2014 17:10
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ToxicSlurpee posted:So how long until the right speculates that Hillary is too old? Or have they already started that? I dunno. Might get some play during primary season, considering that Cruz and Rand Paul are so much younger than her, but Jeb (if he runs) would presumably be favored to win the primaries and is only a few years younger than Hildawg. likely to hear more about ~bain dramage~, I think. De Nomolos posted:Gov. Thomas Carcetti. Bartlet for America PupsOfWar fucked around with this message at 17:15 on Oct 27, 2014 |
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Oct 27, 2014 17:12
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PupsOfWar posted:I dunno. Might get some play during primary season, considering that Cruz and Rand Paul are so much younger than her, but Jeb (if he runs) would presumably be favored to win the primaries and is only a few years younger than Hildawg. Yeah, that's what I was saying. She was in the hospital and it was suspected some brain gently caress up was involved somehow so I'm just assuming the right is going to suggest that she's brain damaged thanks to a fall or is coming down with Alzheimer's or something. She's 67 but that's younger than when Reagan went into office so it would be pretty drat stupid of them to whine about that. McCain was also not exactly fresh when they put him up. I'm just waiting for the "DON'T VOTE FOR THE SENILE OLD WOMAN SHE WILL RUIN EVERYTING  " nonsense to start.
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Oct 27, 2014 18:53
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Alter Ego posted:Yeah she's running. I don't know, the jist I took from it is that Elizabeth Warren might still throw her hat in. ToxicSlurpee posted:Yeah, that's what I was saying. She was in the hospital and it was suspected some brain gently caress up was involved somehow so I'm just assuming the right is going to suggest that she's brain damaged thanks to a fall or is coming down with Alzheimer's or something. She's 67 but that's younger than when Reagan went into office so it would be pretty drat stupid of them to whine about that. McCain was also not exactly fresh when they put him up. Even the Republicans know they can't go too far down that road. There's not enough young racist white people to elect anyone if you drive off the old people.
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Oct 27, 2014 18:53
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Gyges posted:I don't know, the jist I took from it is that Elizabeth Warren might still throw her hat in. She's running against Biden, who may or may not have a friendly correspondance with Warren going on.
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Oct 27, 2014 18:54
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Hillary Clinton moving towards full socialism. Says businesses and corporations don't create jobs. Oh my god she's going to look straight at the left and pander to us She's looking at us she's looking at us HI HILLARY!!! *faints*
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Oct 27, 2014 18:57
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The year is 2017. President Hillary Clinton leads an overhaul of tax code with further progressive brackets, meanwhile steering clear of restricting gun rights. SedanChair is found in a room scrawling on the walls in blood, muttering "phoney" over and over.
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Oct 27, 2014 19:01
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I'm really having trouble imagining a president ever raising taxes in a serious way ever again, outside of a major crisis.
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Oct 27, 2014 19:02
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Slate Action posted:I'm really having trouble imagining a president ever raising taxes in a serious way ever again, outside of a major crisis. I think we'll see some closing of loopholes and expecting corporations to at least attempt to pay their drat taxes for once if we get a D in the big chair. That's about it, though. If an R gets it I don't think America will ever collect a tax ever again.
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Oct 27, 2014 19:08
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ToxicSlurpee posted:I think we'll see some closing of loopholes and expecting corporations to at least attempt to pay their drat taxes for once if we get a D in the big chair. That's about it, though. If an R gets it I don't think America will ever collect a tax ever again. Can't we just get an executive order or signing statement that puts American tax code in line with Germany's?
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Oct 27, 2014 19:13
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joeburz posted:The year is 2017. President Hillary Clinton leads an overhaul of tax code with further progressive brackets, meanwhile steering clear of restricting gun rights. SedanChair is found in a room scrawling on the walls in blood, muttering "phoney" over and over. Pictured: Hillary, moments after learning the administration's intention to pursue gun control 
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Oct 27, 2014 19:25
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My Imaginary GF posted:Can't we just get an executive order or signing statement that puts American tax code in line with Germany's? Executive orders are not laws and can't be enforced like them. Good luck getting the corporate masters to pay their taxes with an executive order.
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Oct 27, 2014 19:54
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Warcabbit posted:So who can we say for sure is running? Hill-dawg, Jeb, Rand Paul? The thought of a Clinton running against a Bush again gives me tingles since I get a lot of that "WELL I DON'T WANT TO HELP ELECT A DYNASTY" behavior from people who have issues with voting third party since it's "throwing away a vote." It isn't like there aren't unlikable aspects of Clinton's persona, just say "hawkish foreign policy" and you're golden. Dynastic fears are bottom of a long list of concerns there.
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Oct 27, 2014 20:13
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PupsOfWar posted:Bartlet for America Bartlett is legit the Best President. Now I want Martin Sheen to run 
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Oct 27, 2014 20:30
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Demiurge4 posted:Bartlett is legit the Best President. Now I want Martin Sheen to run He could turn out to be more Illusive Man though
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Oct 27, 2014 20:31
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Or, you know, he could turn out to be Martin Sheen.
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Oct 27, 2014 21:15
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Executive orders are not laws and can't be enforced like them. Good luck getting the corporate masters to pay their taxes with an executive order. So let's say you have executive power and are unafraid to use it. What would you do to fix the tax system?
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Oct 27, 2014 21:28
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Demiurge4 posted:Bartlett is legit the Best President. Now I want Martin Sheen to run Last time we elected an actor it went great 
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Oct 27, 2014 21:49
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Trabisnikof posted:Last time we elected an actor it went great Actors should be banned from running for office, acting skills are the equivalent of steroids for office seekers.
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Oct 27, 2014 21:59
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Ninjasaurus posted:Mitt Romney isn't going to run again, as much as we'd all like him to.
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Oct 27, 2014 22:33
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Actors should be banned from running for office, acting skills are the equivalent of steroids for office seekers. Actors and prostitutes are the only kindred souls available for politicians.
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Oct 27, 2014 22:36
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Salon's take on the Jeb thing.
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Oct 28, 2014 01:16
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You'll notice all of the chatter around Jeb is that everyone ELSE wants him to run. Now it sounds like his family is trying to get him to do it, even though he has been pretty lukewarm for ages on it.
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Oct 28, 2014 01:28
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Actors should be banned from running for office, acting skills are the equivalent of steroids for office seekers. Franken, Ventura*(who was surprisingly decent(ignore his post office antics)). So basically apply that rule everywhere but Minnesota. *wrestling is fake
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Oct 28, 2014 01:28
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gently caress You And Diebold posted:Franken, Ventura*(who was surprisingly decent(ignore his post office antics)). So basically apply that rule everywhere but Minnesota. Ahem, I think you're forgetting the latter's multifaceted roles in two 1987 releases: the taut political thriller Predator and dark-future-of-the-late-80s masterpiece The Running Man. Wasn't just wrestling.
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Oct 28, 2014 01:40
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Who among the Predator cast hasn't held public office yet?
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Oct 28, 2014 01:41
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Carl weathers?
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Oct 28, 2014 01:49
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Trabisnikof posted:Who among the Predator cast hasn't held public office yet? We haven't had Governor Carl Weathers yet!
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Oct 28, 2014 01:49
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FlamingLiberal posted:You'll notice all of the chatter around Jeb is that everyone ELSE wants him to run. Now it sounds like his family is trying to get him to do it, even though he has been pretty lukewarm for ages on it. This doesn't make sense. Why did he release a policy book last cycle if he wasn't planning on running for something again? You think he's gonna make a run at a senate seat? Of course he's gonna run for president. He was just smart enough not to throw himself into the GOP primary meatgrinder in order to campaign against one of the most likable presidents in modern memory. I don't think we're gonna see too much craziness in the GOP this cycle. There's too many candidates from the more serious side of the aisle, and not enough debates. I think some of the smaller players like Rob Portman, John Kasich, and Scott Walker may actually sit this cycle out if you get heavy-hitters like Jeb Bush or Chris Christie coming in. A lot of it also depends on which donor networks the candidates are plugged into. A megadonor probably isn't going to fund 2 candidates in a primary. So Jeb running might force out a lot of ancillary people tied to the Bush power structure. It's the same kind of thing that makes a Warren vs. Biden vs. Clinton primary pretty unlikely. ErIog fucked around with this message at 02:29 on Oct 28, 2014 |
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Oct 28, 2014 02:19
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My Imaginary GF posted:So let's say you have executive power and are unafraid to use it. What would you do to fix the tax system? Currently, gently caress all. The president can't accomplish much of anything without the cooperation of Congress and we've all see how interested the current Congress is in doing anything at all, ever.
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Oct 28, 2014 02:21
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andrew smash posted:Carl weathers? Carl Weathers 2016: There’s still plenty of meat on that bone. Now you take this home, throw it in a pot, add some broth, a potato. Baby, you’ve got a stew going.
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Oct 28, 2014 03:41
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Currently, gently caress all. The president can't accomplish much of anything without the cooperation of Congress and we've all see how interested the current Congress is in doing anything at all, ever. If theres gently caress all to do, I guess we should just quit collecting taxes in excess of a yearly deficit. There's fuckall with conventional thinking; I want a result, find me a path to that result gained through working in current systems and I'll pass it along.
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Oct 28, 2014 04:41
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comes along bort posted:Carl Weathers 2016: There’s still plenty of meat on that bone. Now you take this home, throw it in a pot, add some broth, a potato. Baby, you’ve got a stew going. A true fiscal conservative.
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Oct 28, 2014 05:08
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My Imaginary GF posted:If theres gently caress all to do, I guess we should just quit collecting taxes in excess of a yearly deficit. There's fuckall with conventional thinking; I want a result, find me a path to that result gained through working in current systems and I'll pass it along. Please tell us more about how executive power can be used to change tax law.
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Oct 28, 2014 05:12
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My Imaginary GF posted:If theres gently caress all to do, I guess we should just quit collecting taxes in excess of a yearly deficit. There's fuckall with conventional thinking; I want a result, find me a path to that result gained through working in current systems and I'll pass it along. Imminent domain / declare national parks large swathes of affluent America; Jackson Hole, Martha's Vineyard, etc, then instruct the Fed to inflate the gently caress out of the dollar. Turn the nationalized mansions into communes.
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Oct 28, 2014 05:20
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My Imaginary GF posted:If theres gently caress all to do, I guess we should just quit collecting taxes in excess of a yearly deficit. There's fuckall with conventional thinking; I want a result, find me a path to that result gained through working in current systems and I'll pass it along. See that's exactly the problem. A tiny number of Congressmen are completely crippling the government's ability to do anything. Yeah we should be unfucking the tax code. The government should be doing something - loving anything at all about the issues America has right now but McConnell and pals are just sitting on the "nope" button and going to sleep.
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Oct 28, 2014 05:26
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My Imaginary GF posted:If theres gently caress all to do, I guess we should just quit collecting taxes in excess of a yearly deficit. There's fuckall with conventional thinking; I want a result, find me a path to that result gained through working in current systems and I'll pass it along. The tax code is completely legislative. There is literally nothing that executive power can do to change it, it has to be changed by Congress. The path to the result working in current systems is "get Congress willing to pass a law".
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Oct 28, 2014 05:27
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ToxicSlurpee posted:A tiny number of Congressmen The majority of them, actually.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Actors should be banned from running for office, acting skills are the equivalent of steroids for office seekers. Maybe we could just put actors in a separate presidential league? So we'd have two presidents, one of whom cannot be an actor and one of whom must be an actor. They'd share power equally.
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