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John Carstairs posted:I think you'll find the most likely explanation for that is simply drama. Actually in both cases its an attempt to avoid drama that will eventually happen at a later time.
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ImpAtom posted:I'd err on the side of 'lazy writing' before the Build Burning having miraculous nanomachine technology or something considering nobody has pointed it out onscreen yet. It could be otherwise but I kinda doubt it. On the other hand, one of the first points that gets touched on in the first episode is that Gunpla Battle invariably leads to something you invested a lot of time and hard work into getting completely trashed if you lose. And the new Gunpla Battle start up sequence actually indicates how much damage the models will take during the fight itself. As you said, it is entirely possible that the writers are just lazy, or the animators could have just made a mistake. I could just be way over-thinking a dumb kid's cartoon about little plastic mans beating and shooting the hell out of each other. But it still just strikes me as strange.
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Oct 27, 2014 18:16
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Cao Ni Ma posted:Actually in both cases its an attempt to avoid drama that will eventually happen at a later time. I would, personally, count exploding out of another model that should be by all accounts destroyed as the theme song kicks in as a pretty dramatic entrance. 
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Oct 27, 2014 18:23
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Sei Iori actually just left the concept of the Build Burning hidden inside that Dom. The reason the Build Burning is fine is because the Build Burning consumed the Dom from within like a chestburster when Sekai touched its burning heart.
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Oct 27, 2014 18:24
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Or it can fix itself like the Turn A.
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Oct 27, 2014 18:26
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I counted the Build Burning not being damaged as a programming glitch, basically a way to get around the damage is to Nesting Doll the gently caress out of a Gunpla. It only counted the hit as part of the Dom because it didn't recognize the inner Build Burning as "in play" yet. Now if Yuuma shot twice into the explosion...
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Oct 27, 2014 18:27
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W.T. Fits posted:Yeah, I pointed that out, too, but nobody else cared or considered it significant enough to think about. Actually I commented on this exact thing. My best guess is that the Build Burning wasn't registered in the system. All of the beams, explosions etc are nothing but visual effects in Build Fighters, when a beam goes through the center of the torso, the system simulates the damage that it should be causing to the model underneath. If the Build Burning wasn't registered, or was intentionally registered in such a way that the system didn't consider it 'part' of the Dom, then it is entirely possible that the system would simulate damage to the Dom, but wouldn't simulate the damage to the Build Burning inside of it. Edit: Beaten.
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Oct 27, 2014 18:28
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W.T. Fits posted:On the other hand, one of the first points that gets touched on in the first episode is that Gunpla Battle invariably leads to something you invested a lot of time and hard work into getting completely trashed if you lose. And the new Gunpla Battle start up sequence actually indicates how much damage the models will take during the fight itself. I lean more toward the lazy writing/animation budget explanation but I don't think it's odd to question it. This is, after all, a show where a literally magic particle is not only animating plastic models, but simulating terrain and bullets and plasma shots and explosions and all sorts of other poo poo. This is also an upgraded version of a model whose whole gimmick was to manipulate said particle to do crazy horseshit, so I wouldn't be shocked if the Build Burning had some sort of Plavsky self-repair function.
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Oct 27, 2014 18:32
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They did it because it's cool.
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Oct 27, 2014 18:37
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What the Rising Gundam actually nicked was one of Sekai's Burning (God?) Shadows. (I think that was the dub name of the attack? G Gundam is pretty awesome.)
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Oct 27, 2014 18:44
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I really do hope Sekai runs into a problem he can't just kung-fu his way out of. It's sort of weird having a team of two real robot pilots and a super robot pilot.
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Oct 27, 2014 18:48
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Spelling Mitsake posted:They did it because it's cool. This. Plus, it establishes the Build Burning as a monster so once it does start getting damaged you'll know things are getting serious.
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Oct 27, 2014 18:49
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I'm convinced Building Burning Gundam is actually made entirely out of Plavsky Particles.
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Probably true since it doesn't even have a builder in the gpbase description. You'd think someone would walk to Sei's place and ask him about it already. Unless he's a gunpla cop or something
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Oct 27, 2014 20:57
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Cao Ni Ma posted:Probably true since it doesn't even have a builder in the gpbase description. You'd think someone would walk to Sei's place and ask him about it already. Unless he's a gunpla cop or something He's overseas promoting Gunpla, like his dad.
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Zwingley posted:What the Rising Gundam actually nicked was one of Sekai's Burning (God?) Shadows. God Shadow is also a thing in the original Japanese version, yes.
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Cao Ni Ma posted:Probably true since it doesn't even have a builder in the gpbase description. You'd think someone would walk to Sei's place and ask him about it already. Unless he's a gunpla cop or something Well a year(ish) before BFT started, China and Sei were living in Europe while China goes to art school in Paris, so they still might be there.
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Oct 27, 2014 21:50
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I wanna know how they got the money for that off a gunpla shop no one visits. World Tournament cash dollaz?
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Razzled posted:I wanna know how they got the money for that off a gunpla shop no one visits.
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Poison Mushroom posted:vaguely-defined Gundam Secret Agent Cop. If they make a third season, I hope they go down this route. 
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Razzled posted:I wanna know how they got the money for that off a gunpla shop no one visits. I have a feeling after Sei won the world tournament as a little middle school poo poo Iori Models probably became a pilgrimage spot for Gunpla nerds.
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Poison Mushroom posted:Plus endorsements, and Sei's dad probably makes mad bank as a vaguely-defined Gundam Secret Agent Cop. They prefer Gunpla Interpol.
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Oct 27, 2014 22:26
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Alternately China's gunpla appears to be mass produced so maybe she's swimming in Gunpla Money and Sei just mooches off her.
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ImpAtom posted:Alternately China's gunpla appears to be mass produced so maybe she's swimming in Gunpla Money and Sei just mooches off her. At least until his parents retire and he gets to run the Gunpla shop.
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ImpAtom posted:Alternately China's gunpla appears to be mass produced so maybe she's swimming in Gunpla Money and Sei just mooches off her. If BF's world is anything like ours, Bandai would pump out HGs of the Build Strike, so Sei should be rich too.
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KoB posted:If BF's world is anything like ours, Bandai would pump out HGs of the Build Strike, so Sei should be rich too. Yeah, I remember them doing that a lot for tournament Magic the Gathering guys. Granted all they need to do in there is just ignore the RG system and suddenly the metagame isn't broken as poo poo.
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Revolver Bunker posted:I'm convinced Building Burning Gundam is actually made entirely out of Plavsky Particles. I can actually see this happening. I'm imagining the look on Nils' face when Sei suggests it to him, and it is priceless.
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Oct 28, 2014 05:38
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ImpAtom posted:I really do hope Sekai runs into a problem he can't just kung-fu his way out of. It's sort of weird having a team of two real robot pilots and a super robot pilot. It's, actually really good and cool.
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Oct 28, 2014 06:32
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Razzled posted:I wanna know how they got the money for that off a gunpla shop no one visits.
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Literally The Worst posted:It's, actually really good and cool. 
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ImpAtom posted:I really do hope Sekai runs into a problem he can't just kung-fu his way out of. It's sort of weird having a team of two real robot pilots and a super robot pilot. Wrong opinion. It's great because it's weird and kind of out of place. Just like G Gundam itself in the greater Gundam franchise.
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I agree with ImpAtom on this, I hope Sekai pulling out a super kung-fu move out of nowhere doesn't become overused like the build knuckle from season 1. Especially since with the focus on teamwork; it'd be all too easy to fall into a pattern where the battle plan is to faff about until Sekai decides he wants to win.
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Srice posted:it'd be all too easy to fall into a pattern where the battle plan is to faff about until Sekai decides he wants to win. I hope there is an episode that is literally this
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Srice posted:I agree with ImpAtom on this, I hope Sekai pulling out a super kung-fu move out of nowhere doesn't become overused like the build knuckle from season 1. Especially since with the focus on teamwork; it'd be all too easy to fall into a pattern where the battle plan is to faff about until Sekai decides he wants to win. I dunno, even if Sekai hadn't pulled out Hurricane Kick and the Cardigan got blown apart it was then going to be Vengeful Ultra Sniper and Kung Fu Genius 2v1 against a completely isolated R-Gyagya.
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Oct 28, 2014 20:42
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Wrong opinion. It's great because it's weird and kind of out of place. I don't really think something being out of place is inherently good. Part of why I liked the first season fights is that it had a lot of emphasis on the many different parts of battle, including planning, preparation and the limits and strengths of their suits. Sekai's magical kung-fu sidesteps a lot of that (so far) in a way that not even Nils' magical kung-fu did. I'm hoping they realize this and don't play it out, but on the other hand the Build Knuckle in Season 1 kinda ran into a similar problem.
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S1 was pretty much devoted to getting as many kinds of battles as possible (two equals, two friends, tactical, a monster, a slaughter, etc), but S2 is probably focusing on the usual teamwork arc. They've already laid the seeds for Sekai's melee focus biting him in the rear end, he'll get his lesson soon enough. I bet it'll tie into the Build Burning getting crushed, and Sekai realizing he can't build a model nearly good enough to continue punching things to death. The question is whether his team or his master will pull him out of his funk.
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ImpAtom posted:I don't really think something being out of place is inherently good. Part of why I liked the first season fights is that it had a lot of emphasis on the many different parts of battle, including planning, preparation and the limits and strengths of their suits. Sekai's magical kung-fu sidesteps a lot of that (so far) in a way that not even Nils' magical kung-fu did. They're not going to play out the kung-fu super robot poo poo because it's literally the entire point of the Build Burning and Sekai's fighting style. And the RG system was basically the exact some thing as the kungfu poo poo is except one hundred times more boring. Then again, we're only 4 episodes in and they've already done more new things with the Kung Fu than they ever did with the RG system so I wouldn't be worried about it getting stale.
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ImpAtom posted:I don't really think something being out of place is inherently good. Part of why I liked the first season fights is that it had a lot of emphasis on the many different parts of battle, including planning, preparation and the limits and strengths of their suits. Sekai's magical kung-fu sidesteps a lot of that (so far) in a way that not even Nils' magical kung-fu did. The first season already did those things, maybe we're only 4 episodes in and theyre going to do something different?
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:They're not going to play out the kung-fu super robot poo poo because it's literally the entire point of the Build Burning and Sekai's fighting style. And the RG system was basically the exact some thing as the kungfu poo poo is except one hundred times more boring. Eh, I wouldn't agree. Reiji's entire thing is that he was a super-elite pilot who could wreck guys from the moment he got into his robot, but he still had to learn about the other elements when it turned out that being really good at fighting wasn't enough. Sekai got handed what amounts to a magic robot that means he (so far) doesn't even need to worry about anything but doing his kung-fu. Ideally what will happen is he comes up against something where his kung-fu fails and it turns out that he can't just Win Button it and has to learn himself about the other elements instead of Fumina and Yuuma doing it for him. And it doesn't matter if it is a new attack each time if it ends up being used the same way. The Build Knuckle wasn't boring because it was the same attack. It was boring because "Build Knuckle Comes Out -> I win" was the thing that happened, regardless of if it was the Build Knuckle, Double Build Knuckle, Hyper Build Knuckle or whatever. Prior to that fights had more dynamic and interesting endings. KoB posted:The first season already did those things, maybe we're only 4 episodes in and theyre going to do something different? I don't generally assume that writers learn from their mistakes unless proven otherwise, especially when something is successful. v  v If they do, awesome! But I think based off the last season there is reason to be hesitant about this specific aspect.
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