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Danger - Octopus!
Apr 20, 2008


Nap Ghost

Im_Special posted:

Not a bug but they probably should be nerfed by some degree because they can get out of control quite quickly. You need to walk over that blue slim they leave behind when you kill them, that's how you keep them from respawning, else they will respawn for each blue patch left unchecked within 4-5 turns or whatever.

Before I realised this, I managed to get so many blue jellies spawned in the Bloated Grotto that the game was noticeably slowing down :v:

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Tin Tim
Jun 4, 2012

Live by the pun - Die by the pun

Grats on the successful launch, Unormal! I can't access my Pc atm, but I'm looking forward to give the latest version a spin.

Tin Tim fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Oct 26, 2014

Pladdicus
Aug 13, 2010

Wish you best of luck with it! Out of my price range right now, so I'll let you know how it is around christmas sale ;)

hito
Feb 13, 2012

Thank you, kids. By giving us this lift you're giving a lift to every law-abiding citizen in the world.

Pladdicus posted:

Wish you best of luck with it! Out of my price range right now, so I'll let you know how it is around christmas sale ;)

What's your steam name?

Pladdicus
Aug 13, 2010

hito posted:

What's your steam name?

Oh um. Triskitout/Adam

http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198002558674

Hito is a wonderful person :D!

Pladdicus fucked around with this message at 18:48 on Oct 26, 2014

Pladdicus
Aug 13, 2010

Finished first 3 dungeons! Here is things.
BUGS?
Sliding across goo, which is what I assume happens, should be more visually clear. A sliding animation, a little SLIDE sound effect. Just have it move slower would be fine too. Perhaps like the charge animation? It doesn't become a problem after like five minutes, but it's not super clear.

Broke leaves in a corner, heard mushroom spawning sound but none spawned possibly due to it being in the corner or bottom of screen?

Told me freezing shovel was available in shop, when it already was there.

I didn't see the boss, but my summoned monsters were beating on it without it acting against. When I finally found it it was half dead and hadn't done anything.

When a goatman charges into fog of war, you can see him for a turn. I could see him, and could not throw my pitchfork in his direction. Also, he could later charge at me OUT of fog of war and my only warning was the sound, this is different as enemies in fog of war aren't active normally, but ones who enter it, are.

THOUGHTS
Why is there's white space at the bottom of dialogue? : S

Raoko dialogue was rad.

Worried of advancement, but it feels very desktop dungeon which handled it very well but it also feels necessary with HP/Level Up unlocks.

Mushroom dialogue was hilarious.

To advance dialogue I'd like to be able to click anywhere!

gently caress scroll of wonder, gently caress that I have to use every single one I see. Problem is, can't I just start the first dungeon with one, use it it farm treasure for each class?

The enemies are pretty cool so far, each brings their own tactical elements that you learn naturally as you face them.

Identical items should unlock across classes imo.

Achievements
Clean Up In Aisle Sprog - Slip on a slime into an enemy who kills you.

Pladdicus fucked around with this message at 20:58 on Oct 26, 2014

TooMuchAbstraction
Oct 14, 2012

I spent four years making
Waves of Steel
Hell yes I'm going to turn my avatar into an ad for it.
Fun Shoe

Pladdicus posted:

gently caress scroll of wonder, gently caress that I have to use every single one I see. Problem is, can't I just start the first dungeon with one, use it it farm treasure for each class?

It's not like farming in this game is all that difficult. The first dungeon has the same quality of loot as the last one (as far as I can tell), and vastly easier enemies.

Cardiovorax
Jun 5, 2011

I mean, if you're a successful actress and you go out of the house in a skirt and without underwear, knowing that paparazzi are just waiting for opportunities like this and that it has happened many times before, then there's really nobody you can blame for it but yourself.

Tin Tim posted:

Grats on the successful launch, Unormal! I can't access my Pc atm, but I'm looking forward to give the latest version a spin.
Whoa now, it's actually done? drat, I nearly missed that completely. Good job, Unormal! I hope the sales are good!

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


Geokinesis posted:

Clearly you should now invest in graphical tiles for CoQ!

Not gonna lie, I would buy a graphical, linux native CoQ. Sproggiwood looks nice and all but good SF roguelikes are drat rare.

Im_Special
Jan 2, 2011

Look At This!!! WOW!
It's F*cking Nothing.

Cardiovorax posted:

Whoa now, it's actually done? drat, I nearly missed that completely. Good job, Unormal! I hope the sales are good!

Na, it's still alpha and should be in early access, wait at least one year.
http://steamcommunity.com/app/311720/discussions/0/619569608574665921/ :wtc:

Unormal
Nov 16, 2004

Mod sass? This evening?! But the cakes aren't ready! THE CAKES!
Fun Shoe

Cardiovorax posted:

Whoa now, it's actually done? drat, I nearly missed that completely. Good job, Unormal! I hope the sales are good!

Thanks guys! We're blippin along. We were #2 best-selling roguelike on Steam last night. Maybe we can make a run at #1 when press hits next week! :aaa:

Unormal fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Oct 26, 2014

TOOT BOOT
May 25, 2010

ADOM prerelease 51 is out for those who paid for access.

quote:

ADOM Release 51 (1.9.0) (26 October 2014)

- graphical intro, main menu and character generation (work in progress)
- modular character image that displays the current equipment
- display monster info if Shift-key is pressed
- new animations for acid, fire, ice and lightning explosions
- many additional sound effects
- added developer signing to OSX binaries for Gatekeeper

- Feature 3034 - Option to turn off player ghosts
- Feature 3167 - Add game options menu
- Feature 3169 - Implement exploration mode game for ADOM Deluxe
- Feature 3170 - Implement challenge of the week game mode
- Feature 3182 - Add Steam Overlay
- Feature 3193 - Optimize w?
- Feature 3273 - Give up a 'walk attack' command if the target panics
- Feature 3284 - Differentiate highscore displays
- Feature 3285 - Make all highscores accessible from within ADOM
- Feature 3286 - Local challenge game highscore entries need to display the specific challenge geek code
- Feature 3304 - Provide more helpful skill usage messages
- Feature 3361 - Make w* movement more natural
- Feature 3366 - Orcs and dark elves should be penalized in daylight
- Bug 3234 - Mouse movement does not work in wilderness
- Bug 3235 - Cannot move to contiguous square using mouse when enemies are near
- Bug 3237 - Cannot move with mouse to square contiguous to monster
- Bug 3259 - 'w5', 'w.', 'ws' and 'w?' does weird things on some versions (like goes into "Unknown command: 'ÿ'." loop)
- Bug 3260 - Crash kicking Ball shaped statue
- Bug 3261 - Changing to ascii mode before game begins crashes noteye script
- Bug 3263 - Health bars no longer visible in ASCII mode
- Bug 3266 - Remove NotEye GPL license notice on startup
- Bug 3267 - Selecting option from menu opened with F8 or F9 does not stop key event
- Bug 3269 - Unidentified objects in .flg file.
- Bug 3275 - A and targeting (+9, 1d4+3) (unpaid, 1800gp) (10s) is lying here.
- Bug 3280 - NoTeye - Crash when using casino levers
- Bug 3289 - Noteye crashes when clicking with mouse in ADOM-specific menu
- Bug 3290 - You notice 7301098 appearing.
- Bug 3307 - [BUG] Can't kick items on the ground in the Ice Queen Realm
- Bug 3310 - Mouse click - unable to move away from hostile monster
- Bug 3318 - Items from player ghosts preserve Appraising tags
- Bug 3325 - Manual does not list new commands

Big Sean
Jan 18, 2010
So got my first hardcore finish on necrodancer. Great game. But the finish was with the boots of speed, which is a round-a-bout way of saying... I have no idea what was going on in zone 3, but that looked really hard. I'd love to watch someone better than me actually do that properly.

Also, god if like 50%+ of my runs didn't end in red dragons. gently caress those guys.

edit: and now I'm spoiling myself with the wiki. I was pretty confident the sacrifice shrine was the sword in the stone, and I needed to have ring of might or gigantism to get it out. That was totally wrong haha.

Big Sean fucked around with this message at 23:56 on Oct 26, 2014

TooMuchAbstraction
Oct 14, 2012

I spent four years making
Waves of Steel
Hell yes I'm going to turn my avatar into an ad for it.
Fun Shoe
Approach red dragons from above or below. If you're to the side, carefully retreat until you can arrange verticality.

There's a way to dance around them in open rooms if nothing else is around, but it requires knowing their timing cold and taunting them into using their breath weapon. I don't generally bother.

My last successful Hardcore run, I started Zone 3 with plate armor, a helmet, a potion, 3.5 out of 4 hearts, and an obsidian crossbow...about 30 turns later the potion was gone and I had 1 heart left. Zone 3 can beat your face in if you get a bad start. The crossbow didn't help much, since it takes at least 3 shots to take down a skeleton rider and you only get three shots between reloads. And then once you get hit, its damage goes way down...

Fortunately the second and third levels were kinder. I mostly just made a beeline for the stairs. That compass can be an excellent investment, considering it's so cheap.

Tax Inductions
Jul 9, 2007

I carry refreshments to the good guys
I made the good guys some home fries

TooMuchAbstraction posted:

Approach red dragons from above or below. If you're to the side, carefully retreat until you can arrange verticality.

There's a way to dance around them in open rooms if nothing else is around, but it requires knowing their timing cold and taunting them into using their breath weapon. I don't generally bother.

For the record, one of the dudes in the necrodancer forums has a signature that shows this maneuver:


But even after practicing I still tend to screw it up so I generally take them vertically if I can.

Cardiovorax
Jun 5, 2011

I mean, if you're a successful actress and you go out of the house in a skirt and without underwear, knowing that paparazzi are just waiting for opportunities like this and that it has happened many times before, then there's really nobody you can blame for it but yourself.

Unormal posted:

Thanks guys! We're blippin along. We were #2 best-selling roguelike on Steam last night. Maybe we can make a run at #1 when press hits next week! :aaa:


Happy to hear it. I'm afraid I won't be helping with that, light roguelikes like yours just aren't my thing, but I wish you all the best anyway.

jackofarcades
Sep 2, 2011

Okay, I'll admit it took me a bit to get into it... But I think I kinda love this!! I'm Spider-Man!! I'm actually Spider-Man!! HA!
I can answer any of your questions about Necrodancer. I'm the current speedrun WR holder (and came in third in the big tournament that ended yesterday)

The best thing to do in zone 3 is to kite all the enemies into the shop if it's available. Generally you want something like a titanium longsword or spear since it's super reliable and fixed damage. Obsidian sucks if you get hit or blow a beat and glass breaks, and two damage is all you need for 90% of enemies.

Pladdicus
Aug 13, 2010

Cardiovorax posted:

Happy to hear it. I'm afraid I won't be helping with that, light roguelikes like yours just aren't my thing, but I wish you all the best anyway.

That's a term I've never seen, but I think I have some idea what it means, would you mind explaining?

hand of luke
Oct 17, 2005

Mmmhmm, yes. I suppose I will attend your ball. Someone must class up the affair, musn't he?
Thanks, everyone, for the Sproggiwood well wishes. You god drat roguelike masters who blazed through it -- you were instrumental in us choosing to bump "normal" down to "easy" and "savage" to "normal" --- we want to push a real "savage" mode out at some point.

Cardiovorax
Jun 5, 2011

I mean, if you're a successful actress and you go out of the house in a skirt and without underwear, knowing that paparazzi are just waiting for opportunities like this and that it has happened many times before, then there's really nobody you can blame for it but yourself.

Pladdicus posted:

That's a term I've never seen, but I think I have some idea what it means, would you mind explaining?
With "light" roguelike? Nothing much, just that it's less complex and detailed than the usual big-name stuff like Nethack or ADOM. Which is neither a good thing nor a bad thing, just not what appeals to me about the genre. The absurd amount of content and mechanics that are shoved into them is what attracted me in the first place.

However, since Unormal just gave me a little surprise present, I'll be playing it and reporting back soon anyway. :)

Ignatius M. Meen
May 26, 2011

Hello yes I heard there was a lovely trainwreck here and...

hand of luke posted:

Thanks, everyone, for the Sproggiwood well wishes. You god drat roguelike masters who blazed through it -- you were instrumental in us choosing to bump "normal" down to "easy" and "savage" to "normal" --- we want to push a real "savage" mode out at some point.

I cannot wait to die in that mode, godspeed. :patriot:

Turtlicious
Sep 17, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Cardiovorax posted:

With "light" roguelike? Nothing much, just that it's less complex and detailed than the usual big-name stuff like Nethack or ADOM. Which is neither a good thing nor a bad thing, just not what appeals to me about the genre. The absurd amount of content and mechanics that are shoved into them is what attracted me in the first place.

However, since Unormal just gave me a little surprise present, I'll be playing it and reporting back soon anyway. :)

Heads up, it's by the Caves of Qud people, and it's only meant to look like that to outsiders to get new people to try the genre. It's actually pretty indepth and complex when you get into it.

stiknork
Aug 3, 2006

jackofarcades posted:

I can answer any of your questions about Necrodancer. I'm the current speedrun WR holder (and came in third in the big tournament that ended yesterday)

The best thing to do in zone 3 is to kite all the enemies into the shop if it's available. Generally you want something like a titanium longsword or spear since it's super reliable and fixed damage. Obsidian sucks if you get hit or blow a beat and glass breaks, and two damage is all you need for 90% of enemies.

i watched your runs, good stuff dude. congrats

TooMuchAbstraction
Oct 14, 2012

I spent four years making
Waves of Steel
Hell yes I'm going to turn my avatar into an ad for it.
Fun Shoe

Turtlicious posted:

Heads up, it's by the Caves of Qud people, and it's only meant to look like that to outsiders to get new people to try the genre. It's actually pretty indepth and complex when you get into it.

While I would characterize the latter half of Sproggiwood as being reasonably tricky, I did also beat the game in 3 hours, and beat the last level with all classes in about 5-6 (both according to Steam's clock). I had fun and don't regret the purchase in the slightest, but it is a bit content-light, and a reasonably seasoned roguelike player won't take long to see everything there is.

Unless I'm missing a secret cow level, of course.

Cardiovorax
Jun 5, 2011

I mean, if you're a successful actress and you go out of the house in a skirt and without underwear, knowing that paparazzi are just waiting for opportunities like this and that it has happened many times before, then there's really nobody you can blame for it but yourself.

Turtlicious posted:

Heads up, it's by the Caves of Qud people
I know, that's why I'm giving it a chance in the first place. Unormal and luke are great devs who really know what makes a roguelike fun and how to listen to people. I'll do my best to give it a fair shot.

Olivil
Jul 15, 2010

Wow I'd like to be as smart as a computer
I'm having a minor issue with Sproggiwood on OS X where my CPU is chugging (i7 4650u, fan at maximum, lowest battery life) in the town view, while it's more than fine in the menus and in the "combat" view.

I haven't tested on other OS though.

Unormal
Nov 16, 2004

Mod sass? This evening?! But the cakes aren't ready! THE CAKES!
Fun Shoe

Olivil posted:

I'm having a minor issue with Sproggiwood on OS X where my CPU is chugging (i7 4650u, fan at maximum, lowest battery life) in the town view, while it's more than fine in the menus and in the "combat" view.

I haven't tested on other OS though.

Ooooo... I must have a bug where vsync is getting disabled in town in some old code. That'd explain some reports of tearing too. I'll check into it, thanks!

Unormal
Nov 16, 2004

Mod sass? This evening?! But the cakes aren't ready! THE CAKES!
Fun Shoe
[Beta]
*Updated to Unity 4.5.5
*^ Fixed all the alt+tab issues!
*Tab will now switch between walking and non/walking modes, walking allows movement with keys held down
*Increased the size of the haunted mansion to 2x3 from 2x2
*Fixed vsync being incorrectly disabled in town (causing tearing/unnecessary laptop power usage)

If anyone tries out the mac version and it doesn't die horribly, could you let me know? We've tested the win/linux version and they seem solid. Olivil, you should be able to test the chugging issue with that build as well, to see if it gets fixed.

DACK FAYDEN
Feb 25, 2013

Bear Witness
I didn't get the achievement for killing the final boss just now - neither Easy nor Normal. I know there was a patch to fix that a while back, but as far as I know I'm on the latest version? I mean, I'm going to do it five more times with the other classes, so it's no big deal. I'm just posting.

(Also, I would love to see an endless dungeon with that fight mechanic, like you mentioned. Fun fight!)

e: vvvvvvv
Yeah, that did it!

DACK FAYDEN fucked around with this message at 06:46 on Oct 28, 2014

Unormal
Nov 16, 2004

Mod sass? This evening?! But the cakes aren't ready! THE CAKES!
Fun Shoe

DACK FAYDEN posted:

I didn't get the achievement for killing the final boss just now - neither Easy nor Normal. I know there was a patch to fix that a while back, but as far as I know I'm on the latest version? I mean, I'm going to do it five more times with the other classes, so it's no big deal. I'm just posting.

(Also, I would love to see an endless dungeon with that fight mechanic, like you mentioned. Fun fight!)

The Default branch is still the original 1.0. I've been updating the Beta branch for the last couple days. Right click Sproggiwood in properties, go to the "Betas" tab and select "Beta". Sometimes you have to exit/reopen steam for it to pickup the update afterwards. The achievement fixes are there.

Kavros
May 18, 2011

sleep sleep sleep
fly fly post post
sleep sleep sleep
My favorite roguelike is Dungeon Crawl and the only thing I don't like about it is the handling of hunger levels (so much so that I usually play mummy now just to be done with eating).

I recently found Dungeons of Dredmor and though it is a real generally simple offering I really enjoy the "class" creation system of mix and match seven skill trees.

What other things should I be trying?

madjackmcmad
May 27, 2008

Look, I'm startin' to believe some of the stuff the cult guy's been saying, it's starting to make a lot of sense.

Kavros posted:

My favorite roguelike is Dungeon Crawl and the only thing I don't like about it is the handling of hunger levels (so much so that I usually play mummy now just to be done with eating).

I recently found Dungeons of Dredmor and though it is a real generally simple offering I really enjoy the "class" creation system of mix and match seven skill trees.

What other things should I be trying?

Might I humbly suggest Dungeonmans? http://store.steampowered.com/app/288120

Valiant Pudding
Dec 31, 2007
With raisins!
Should Ziggurat talk go in here? I've really been enjoying the game so far, but I'm pretty bad at it. I've only made it to the 4th floor 3 times and died to the boss there once. I've been doing some runs with different characters that I've unlocked (the Harlequin and Seer), but I can't help but think that the Novice is by far the best character so far... Kinda makes me not want to play the other characters...

CountingWizard
Jul 6, 2004

Valiant Pudding posted:

Should Ziggurat talk go in here? I've really been enjoying the game so far, but I'm pretty bad at it. I've only made it to the 4th floor 3 times and died to the boss there once. I've been doing some runs with different characters that I've unlocked (the Harlequin and Seer), but I can't help but think that the Novice is by far the best character so far... Kinda makes me not want to play the other characters...

I've been waiting to hear some goon comments about Ziggurat. I still refuse to buy any more early access games, except for Dungeonmans because MadMcMadman is a competent developer. Just way too many Early Access games will never release and I'm tired of playing incomplete games and getting burnt out before they are feature/content complete.

In other news, Dungeons of the Endless released and it has co-op. Bad news is you can't save the game during co-op and you can't make private games.

Cardiovorax
Jun 5, 2011

I mean, if you're a successful actress and you go out of the house in a skirt and without underwear, knowing that paparazzi are just waiting for opportunities like this and that it has happened many times before, then there's really nobody you can blame for it but yourself.
If the Steam thread is anything to go by, Ziggurat is supposedly really good. I don't know if it's 20$ good, though.

Zereth
Jul 9, 2003



Kavros posted:

My favorite roguelike is Dungeon Crawl and the only thing I don't like about it is the handling of hunger levels (so much so that I usually play mummy now just to be done with eating).

I recently found Dungeons of Dredmor and though it is a real generally simple offering I really enjoy the "class" creation system of mix and match seven skill trees.

What other things should I be trying?

TOME.

Less because it's like Dreadmor (although there is an option to just grab whatever skill trees you want from any class once you've beaten the game once) and more because it doesn't have a hunger system.

Cardiovorax
Jun 5, 2011

I mean, if you're a successful actress and you go out of the house in a skirt and without underwear, knowing that paparazzi are just waiting for opportunities like this and that it has happened many times before, then there's really nobody you can blame for it but yourself.
If you play locally and know how to compile stuff, hacking out hunger is super easy. Doesn't even need coding skills, just one extra line in a specific file.

Valiant Pudding
Dec 31, 2007
With raisins!

CountingWizard posted:

I've been waiting to hear some goon comments about Ziggurat. I still refuse to buy any more early access games, except for Dungeonmans because MadMcMadman is a competent developer. Just way too many Early Access games will never release and I'm tired of playing incomplete games and getting burnt out before they are feature/content complete.

In other news, Dungeons of the Endless released and it has co-op. Bad news is you can't save the game during co-op and you can't make private games.

Ziggurat is out of Early access as of last week, fwiw. I've never bought an early access game myself for much the same reasons and didn't know Ziggurat had been in EA untill after I've played a couple of hours. So far, very fun game. Reminds me a lot of BoI, but with maybe less randomness and less interesting items. So far, I've unlocked about 25-30% of the items/weapons in the game, and most of them feel very same-y. Also, enemy variety isn't that great, at least in the first 2 levels, which you'll be playing a lot of.
However, the gameplay itself, the unlocking of items and overall feel of the game is very polished, and I find myself returning to it for a couple of floors every hour or so since I've bought it.

DeathBySpoon
Dec 17, 2007

I got myself a paper clip!
Can Dungeonmans be played with only a mouse? I'd love to pick it up for my tablet if so.

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scourgeofthe7bees
Jun 21, 2008



I really want to play this, but right now my only working computer is a mac. Any possibility it'll be mac-compatible at some point?

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