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The pic is a photoshop taken from one of the promo pics, which makes me doubt things, but another person on Twitter who's seen the episode (again, with the reveal excluded) suspects that she's a Time Lady helping to bring back Gallifrey using the Cybermen, so...it might line up?
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Oct 28, 2014 17:03
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Missy is the reason the Doctor left Gallifrey. Turns out the First Doctor got her pregnant and bailed. Truly a shocking revelation.
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Oct 28, 2014 17:07
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And that baby's name was... Clara Oswald.
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Oct 28, 2014 17:26
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Irish Joe posted:And that baby's name was... Clara Oswald. Who is also Susan's mom.
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Oct 28, 2014 17:32
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HD DAD posted:That's what I'm hoping. Yes, yes!! It begins!
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Oct 28, 2014 17:35
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Spoilers Below posted:Yes, yes!! It begins! As some one who knows nothing about The Rani, who is she beyond "Evil Genius Time Lord"? Any reason people are either excited about this or dreading it like it's the plague?
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Oct 28, 2014 17:44
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thrawn527 posted:As some one who knows nothing about The Rani, who is she beyond "Evil Genius Time Lord"? Any reason people are either excited about this or dreading it like it's the plague? Kate O'Mara is the brightest spot in two otherwise really lovely adventures. She snarks with Anthony Ainsley and Colin Baker so well that you kinda wish that the entire 90 minute run of Mark of the Rani could just them arguing back and forth about evil ethics and insane harebrained schemes while Nicola Bryant looked uncomfortable in the background. Sadly, O'Mara passed away recently, right before reprising the role for some audiobooks. Shes one of those characters that's way better in your head then on screen, and that you always wish actually had good episodes.
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Oct 28, 2014 17:50
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That's pretty much it. Also, every female character in the revival has been proclaimed as secretly being the Rani by internet nerds at some point or another.
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Oct 28, 2014 17:50
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I don't believe the rumors but "actress of the rani passed away recently", "character's identity is the rani", and "episode is insensitive to those who have suffered a loss" all go together disturbingly well. I thought the rani appeared elsewhere besides C Baker's era, that opens the door for the question of "Who is the valeyard" to finally get disappointing canon answer instead of just being forgotten indefinitely, I guess.
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Oct 28, 2014 17:54
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Don't you get it!? We are The VALEYARD!
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Oct 28, 2014 18:13
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Acne Rain posted:I thought the rani appeared elsewhere besides C Baker's era She appeared in three things. The first: Mark of the Rani (Colin Baker), a bit of badly thought through camp by Pip and Jane Baker which established the character of The Rani as an amoral genius by doing a search and replace on the Doctor's lines so "The Rani" is replaced by "The Rani, the diabolical amoral genius". Tell don't show at its finest. The second: Time and the Rani (Sly McCoy), a bit of badly thought through camp by Pip and Jane Baker which is just really terrible and has no saving grace. Not even anything interesting if bad like the companion being sexually assaulted by a tree. The third: Dimensions in Time (All the fuckers), a bit of badly thought through camp by https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQCeMIQpFBc Now you've watched it, pro-tip: Don't watch it.
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Oct 28, 2014 18:32
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Sure, why not, it all makes sense: it was probably the Rani who produced the quick-growing trees with some leftover tree-land-mines, and that's why you didn't see anyone else in London. 
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Oct 28, 2014 19:19
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If she's not the Rani then casting a woman so strikingly similar to Kate O'Mara less than a year after her death is loving stupid. They have identical eyes, cheek bones and everything, you actually have to actively HUNT for an actress with those features. She's the Rani. Moffatt has been doing a lot of old Who nods all season.
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Oct 28, 2014 19:26
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I really hope it's not the Rani for one reason. She has, in her VERY FEW appearances, never expressed any interest in the Doctor beyond as an inferior and an experiment. So having her proclaim him her boyfriend would be REALLY dumb and out of goddamn nowhere. It'd be just about the worst way to bring her back and really awful for her character as a lady villain and poo poo this is exactly what Moffat might do.
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Oct 28, 2014 19:31
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I assume the 'insensitive to those who have suffered a loss' thing is to do with the heaven stuff, rather than bringing back a character whose actress died.
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Oct 28, 2014 19:34
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MrL_JaKiri posted:She appeared in three things. This isn't entirely fair. She's kidnapping people who just want a bath after a long day toiling in the mines, draining the brain fluid that allows them to sleep -- which turns them into raging homicidal maniacs --, so she can use these chemicals on the miners on the planet she rules, where her experiments have left those inhabitants unable to rest, so she can keep them enslaved. She easily captures the Doctor, straps him to a mine cart, and sends him sailing to his death after taunting him for a while. Also she turns a guy into a tree with a land mine. I know, I know, that makes the adventure sound a lot more interesting than it actually is. But establishing the Rani as a hosed up science person with no morals whatsoever isn't really the problem with it.
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Oct 28, 2014 19:35
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marktheando posted:I assume the 'insensitive to those who have suffered a loss' thing is to do with the heaven stuff, rather than bringing back a character whose actress died. Clara's Gran is in the castlist. With the comments about it being insensitive I'm guessing they kill her off in the first 5 mins and make a mess of it.
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Oct 28, 2014 19:40
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Burkion posted:I really hope it's not the Rani for one reason. Would it be worse than bringing the master back and saying "he's just mad that he has the doctor who theme stuck in his head forever"
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Oct 28, 2014 19:40
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twoot posted:Clara's Gran is in the castlist. With the comments about it being insensitive I'm guessing they kill her off in the first 5 mins and make a mess of it. Yeah, but remember: Doctor Who fans are hypersensitive babies. "Being insensitive to people who've lost someone" could mean anything, really. Also, "people who've lost someone" is literally everyone who has ever lived, so..
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Oct 28, 2014 20:28
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Irish Joe posted:Yeah, but remember: Doctor Who fans are hypersensitive babies. "Being insensitive to people who've lost someone" could mean anything, really. Also, "people who've lost someone" is literally everyone who has ever lived, so.. It's political correctness gone mad.
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Oct 28, 2014 20:39
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I wouldn't go that far, but its definitely a case of people who've so immersed themselves in tumblrisms that they lost the ability to process what they watch like normal human beings.
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Oct 28, 2014 20:45
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Eeeh, this season has managed to make my non-Tumblr friends pretty mad with its awkward social fumbling, and the Who fans have generally been quick to hand-wave away some odious pool-turds. (See: goon defending the magical miracle of childhood mental illness.) So if something is reading as insensitive even to the early-access True Believers? This should be fantastic.
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Oct 28, 2014 20:54
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At this point my best hope for the Missy reveal is that it's deliberately anticlimactic, which is a pretty forlorn best hope to have. I'd find having the Doctor being actively disappointed at her identity being rubbish be funny, at least.
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Oct 28, 2014 20:54
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Acne Rain posted:Would it be worse than bringing the master back and saying "he's just mad that he has the doctor who theme stuck in his head forever" Hello, how are you, here are some things I've bitched about in the past Exactly That (Seriously gently caress what they did to the Master)
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Oct 28, 2014 20:56
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Burkion posted:Hello, how are you, here are some things I've bitched about in the past It's the closest thing to a cogent motivator the Master's ever had. The Master's character arc, especially the transition from Crispy to Ainley, is a total mess that doesn't describe any kind of linear character development.
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Oct 28, 2014 20:58
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The Master is a dick and he likes to gently caress with The Doctor. That's plenty of motivation.
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Oct 28, 2014 21:00
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Big Mean Jerk posted:The Master is a dick and he likes to gently caress with The Doctor. That's plenty of motivation. Apart from his entire stint as a corpse, in which he was hateful and (even more) murderous in a way he'd never been before and which, in the classic series, he immidiately stopped being once he became Ainley. And when he WAS Ainley, he hung out alone, in a cave, maintaining a racist disguise complete with talking-to-himself, for no goddamn reason.
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Oct 28, 2014 21:03
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DoctorWhat posted:It's the closest thing to a cogent motivator the Master's ever had. The Master's character arc, especially the transition from Crispy to Ainley, is a total mess that doesn't describe any kind of linear character development. It was never supposed to, though; it wasn't really that kind of show, and he wasn't really that kind of villain. To me, the best motivator for the Master would just be that he's evil in the same way that the Doctor is good: I think the way in which it doesn't make sense to destroy two thirds of the universe one moment and plot to prevent the Magna Carta from existing the next is quite funny if you pretend it's a satire of the way the hero alternates between saving worlds and hunting a man dressed up as a clown.
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Oct 28, 2014 21:05
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DoctorWhat posted:And when he WAS Ainley, he hung out alone, in a cave, maintaining a racist disguise complete with talking-to-himself, for no goddamn reason.
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Oct 28, 2014 21:06
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The best part about that story is how The Doctor instantly knows it's The Master, but The Master is still committed to the disguise.
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Oct 28, 2014 21:06
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Like I said. The Doctor WASN'T EVEN THERE at the time! Clearly the drums were just really really loud that day.
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Oct 28, 2014 21:08
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Yeah the Master doesn't need a character arc. I much preferred when he was just a dick, rather than a victim of Rassilon's scheming.Irish Joe posted:I wouldn't go that far, but its definitely a case of people who've so immersed themselves in tumblrisms that they lost the ability to process what they watch like normal human beings. "tumblrisms"
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Oct 28, 2014 21:09
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DoctorWhat posted:Apart from his entire stint as a corpse, in which he was hateful and (even more) murderous in a way he'd never been before and which, in the classic series, he immidiately stopped being once he became Ainley. How do you MISS this? I mean I know you don't give two shits about good writing if you enjoy the episode regardless, but I mean, Jesus it's REALLY simple. Delgado Master is charismatic and characterful, but beneath that is a boiling anger and ugliness he hides away. Then all of the sublty is stripped away, his appearance is as ugly as he truly is, and he is at his most desperate. So of course when he gets his disguise back, his safteynet of a body, he starts acting like he used to in a fashion. Also he really likes to gently caress with the Doctor. That's all the motivation that he needs.
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Oct 28, 2014 21:11
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Yeah, "I'm a huge rear end in a top hat who likes to push the Doctor's buttons" is oddly a little more refreshing motivation than trying to angst up his past and make him all weepy and broken.
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Oct 28, 2014 21:14
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HD DAD posted:Yeah, "I'm a huge rear end in a top hat who likes to push the Doctor's buttons" is oddly a little more refreshing motivation than trying to angst up his past and make him all weepy and broken. The inanity of "I hear drums in my head" is what gets me.
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Oct 28, 2014 21:17
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Yeah, I actually didn't mind the first two Master episodes RTD did (I mean this was a beautiful way to sum up the Simms' Master) outside of JesusDoctor. But once he started having a backstory it did all fall apart.
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Oct 28, 2014 21:28
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The Master having drums in his head didn't bother me too much; I don't tend to worry too much over retroactive continuity in Doctor Who (most of the time, at least). I thought Rassilon putting them there as part of his evil master plan was pushing it a little bit. Can't really explain why, though; I think it came off as a way of saying, "See? The Master's not evil! It's not his fault! The Doctor can fix him I guess it's sort of like the Big Finish story "Master", which should require no introduction if you're familiar with it.
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Oct 28, 2014 21:54
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Why couldn't the Master of just been always been insane and the drums are only just a part of it.
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I can't be the only dumbass that thinks Missy is short for Mistress, which is the feminine form of Master, right? Right.
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