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Have we covered the EU's equivalent of Australia's stop the boats?
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biglads posted:I think the idea of reducing the speed limit would be part of a long term attempt to change the kind of cars we drive. If you can't do more than 55/60 then the idea is over time there'd be less BMW 5-series/Audi A6s and equivalents and more 'City' cars. Not only are they more fuel efficient but also less damaging to build. Everyone else has pretty much said what I wanted to say quite nicely regarding the speed limits, and less enforcement on motorways and more in residential areas (why do I never see speed cameras around school zones?), but I just wanted to raise a couple of points about your post. Firstly, by city cars are you referring to small hatchbacks in general, or actual proper urban subcompact cars like the Smart Fourtwo? While these subcompacts make sense in the city, they're pretty crappy for everywhere else especially if you go on long journeys, or indeed have a couple of kids to take along with you. If you had to drive from Grimsby to Southampton on a regular basis like that other goon you'd be a heck of a lot more comfortable and happier in something like a BMW saloon than a dinky little city car. In addition when travelling at high speeds, a city car is considerably less safe than a larger car that is built to handle those speeds. Heck a few months back I remember some old lady in a Renault Kangoo rocketing past me at about 90mph, damned thing was wobbling and leaning all over the place. Lastly just because because a car is smaller and less powerful does not always mean it is significantly more efficient or environmentally friendly, if at all. To give you an example, a 1.3l Ford Ka gets a combined mpg of 58 with emissions of 115g/km, and a 2.0l BMW 3 series saloon gets a combined mpg of 69 with emissions of 109g/km. Basically its not just a case of the size and power of the car, its how efficient the engine is.
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Oct 28, 2014 20:23
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Zero Gravitas posted:Have we covered the EU's equivalent of Australia's stop the boats? I really hope this satisfies kippers because if it doesn't Cameron will have to resort to killing asylum seekers at press conferences just to show he is doing something about immigration.
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Oct 28, 2014 20:47
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...ld-support.htmlquote:David Cameron's bid to enshrine an EU referendum in law has been dramatically blocked by Nick Clegg in a major blow to his efforts to renegotiate Britain's terms of membership. Cleggy finds a spine and tries it on to see if it fits!
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Oct 28, 2014 20:52
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LemonDrizzle posted:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...ld-support.html kind of pathetic how late in the game this dickhead has figured out that he did actually have enough power to at least try and change things for the better in the last few years.
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Oct 28, 2014 20:57
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Oberleutnant posted:kind of pathetic how late in the game this dickhead has figured out that he did actually have enough power to at least try and change things for the better in the last few years. Alternatively he and the upper ranking Lib Dems have been fine with most of what has been done and just needed to act like they were a restraint on those nasty nasty Tories to try and maintain their support base.
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Oct 28, 2014 21:00
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LemonDrizzle posted:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...ld-support.html He's got my vote
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Oct 28, 2014 21:15
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namesake posted:Alternatively he and the upper ranking Lib Dems have been fine with most of what has been done and just needed to act like they were a restraint on those nasty nasty Tories to try and maintain their support base. Or that he'd have nowhere left to go after he's thrown out of British politics if there was a vote to exit.
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Oct 28, 2014 21:32
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LemonDrizzle posted:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...ld-support.html I was under the impression that the bedroom tax had been largely defanged in any case?
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Oct 28, 2014 21:40
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Also Cameron doesn't actually want an EU referendum Aw shucks!
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Oct 28, 2014 21:47
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Ludicro posted:why do I never see speed cameras around school zones? Because I don't think speed is largely the problem around schools, rare is the school around me where you could get any kind of decent speed up out front when the kids are around. It's the bad and selfish driving of people dropping their children off who are doing stupid and dangerous poo poo like double parking, parking on zig-zags, stopping in the middle of the road to let the children out, taking children out of the car into the road instead of onto the pavement and pulling out of spaces without looking. All increase the level of danger for other road users, but none of them would be solved by plonking a Gatso outside the school. It would be solved if they could deploy a couple of traffic wardens to enforce the rules and ticket offenders and that probably would have been done in the days of the yellow striped, public sector, beady eyes, but I suspect the modern privatised, blue capped, parking bastard is less interested in safety and more about revenue.
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Oct 28, 2014 21:51
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Nick Clegg has a backbone and makes Tough Choices as defined by Serious People. Many of the policies he backed, most notably increasing tuition fees, were deeply unpopular. He wasn't cowardly in many of actions during the coalition he was instead being deeply calculating in serving the interests of a tiny minority of people who could benefit him in kind. Cameron on the other hand is being extremely cowardly in his approach to immigration putting out ginned up populist policies and statements that don't benefit anyone but do get positive headlines. That isn't to say Clegg isn't a poo poo but it is Cameron rather than him who totally lacks a backbone.
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Oct 28, 2014 21:52
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baka kaba posted:Also Cameron doesn't actually want an EU referendum Something tells me Cameron and all of the other so-called liberal 'progressive' Conservatives would be better off as Lib Dems anyway. The bulk of the Tory Party, i.e the socially conservative wing, is a deep irony in that it wants free trade yet despises globalisation and the EU.
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Oct 28, 2014 22:54
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Eric Joyce got arrested again. Eric Joyce for Scottish Labour leader!
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Oct 28, 2014 22:54
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It'd probably be good for the EU if they kicked the UK out, instead of putting up with this petulant nonsense.
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Oct 28, 2014 23:01
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Turns out loving over poor students is a UK wide activity: http://www.theguardian.com/education/2014/oct/28/scottish-student-borrowing-soars-record-levels quote:Scottish students are being forced to take out record levels of debt after the Scottish government cut the grants they could claim by 40%.
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Oct 28, 2014 23:16
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Spooky Hyena posted:It'd probably be good for the EU if they kicked the UK out, instead of putting up with this petulant nonsense. I'm not sure the EU would want to lose one of the largest contributors to its budget.
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Oct 28, 2014 23:20
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twoot posted:Eric Joyce got arrested again. They are so lucky he isn't a member any more. He really is quite a phenomenal eejit.
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Oct 28, 2014 23:23
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Spooky Hyena posted:It'd probably be good for the EU if they kicked the UK out, instead of putting up with this petulant nonsense. I don't think it would be good for the EU to lose its third largest economy and free access to a major market for internal trade.
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Oct 28, 2014 23:25
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Is anyone going to this? HortonNash posted:I don't think it would be good for the EU to lose its third largest economy and free access to a major market for internal trade. Bu but the UK is some uniquely annoying 'petulant child' that puts a downer on all those selfless chill EU states who are above petty national self interest.
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Oct 28, 2014 23:25
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No, so what's your point? And I think losing part of the budget (it's not even in the top 5, per capita) is worth cutting loose the UK with all the bollocks Westminster is pulling right now. At least, as an ultimatum.
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Oct 28, 2014 23:26
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The Northern Ireland Executive has till the end of the week to agree on a draft budget for 2015/16, if they fail to reach an agreement they lose access to an emergency loan of £100m from the Treasury needed to plug a shortfall that's current squeezing the Executive's finances. With the outstanding fines from the Treasury for failing to implement welfare reform it's not looking pretty, worryingly the Northern Ireland Office has made it clear that if an agreement can not be reached by April they will set the Budget for the Executive - a threat that might raise a few eyebrows what with the current talk of further devolution in the UK. The Finance minister has floated a draft budget with cuts of over £800m (about 8% give or take) that's currently doing the rounds. As expected Education is facing cuts (something that SF have long fought tooth and nail to oppose). Health is getting a modest bump but so, controversially, is the Department of Enterprise. Guess which party has Health, Enterprise and the Finance It's the DUP dummy Now guess which ones has Education... kustomkarkommando fucked around with this message at 23:31 on Oct 28, 2014 |
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Oct 28, 2014 23:27
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ReV VAdAUL posted:Turns out loving over poor students is a UK wide activity: Forgive me if my heart doesn't bleed for Scottish students.
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Oct 28, 2014 23:29
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Ha, I almost missed that story. The figures are still well below the UK average, so parading it as a failure of free tuition is bollocks to start with.
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Oct 28, 2014 23:31
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Still B.A.E posted:Forgive me if my heart doesn't bleed for Scottish students. Yeah! Don't got mine, so gently caress them too!
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Oct 28, 2014 23:32
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Spooky Hyena posted:No, so what's your point? And I think losing part of the budget (it's not even in the top 5, per capita) is worth cutting loose the UK with all the bollocks Westminster is pulling right now. At least, as an ultimatum. Hint: the 'bollocks' is purely for UK consumption. Hint 2: the amount of people living in the UK doesn't make the money the UK pays into the EU worth proportionally less.
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Oct 28, 2014 23:33
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Pissflaps posted:I'm not sure the EU would want to lose one of the largest contributors to its budget. Not to mention the second- or third-largest export market for almost all of the EU member states.
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Oct 28, 2014 23:34
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Not to mention the second- or third-largest export market for almost all of the EU member states. Yeah but, per capita, the market isn't worth that much?
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Oct 28, 2014 23:35
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Pissflaps posted:Hint: the 'bollocks' is purely for UK consumption. It does make it worth proportionately less. The higher the amount of people, the higher the benefit the country takes from the EU, so the less each Euro is worth coming from a country as defined by a geographical area. It's one of the biggest reasons why the budget changes as the population does, despite the landmass and number of countries in the EU staying almost constant.
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Oct 28, 2014 23:38
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Idiots have excellent timing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_Mg7qL09DY
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Oct 28, 2014 23:38
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Spooky Hyena posted:Ha, I almost missed that story. The figures are still well below the UK average, so parading it as a failure of free tuition is bollocks to start with. Is anyone doing that?
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Oct 28, 2014 23:42
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Spooky Hyena posted:It does make it worth proportionately less. The higher the amount of people, the higher the benefit the country takes from the EU, so the less each Euro is worth coming from a country as defined by a geographical area. It's one of the biggest reasons why the budget changes as the population does, despite the landmass and number of countries in the EU staying almost constant. The size of the contribution is based on the size of the economy. Hence why the UK has just been landed with a £1.7 billion bill. Each EU citizen doesn't receive some sort of Euro stipend. The number of citizens and countries in the EU has been growing for years. Your argument is, to use your own phrase, bollocks.
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Oct 28, 2014 23:42
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ReV VAdAUL posted:Is anyone doing that? I skimmed it, the Labour statement at the bottom did and I saw more mentions of it throughout the article. Might be giving it more notice than fair. Pissflaps posted:The size of the contribution is based on the size of the economy. Hence why the UK has just been landed with a £1.7 billion bill. You don't need to get a cash sum to benefit from an institution, just look at everything taxes pay for. Actually, what's your point here? Are you saying that Westminster's response to the EU is justified and there's no reason for the EU to be apprehensive about the UK's place because of it? Or did you just get lost when hyperbole got used?
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Oct 28, 2014 23:47
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I'm not making a point, just brainstorming around your amazing idea that the EU should 'kick out" the UK. Also still waiting for you to link to that post, liar.
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Oct 28, 2014 23:50
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Can't be bothered wading through that thread just because you command it. Look it up yourself if you want it faster.
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Oct 28, 2014 23:52
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Spooky Hyena posted:Can't be bothered wading through that thread just because you command it. Look it up yourself if you want it faster. No because it didn't actually happen and you don't have it in you to apologise or retract. Shameful stuff.
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Oct 28, 2014 23:53
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That's a strawman. I don't retract poo poo.
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Oct 28, 2014 23:56
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Spooky Hyena posted:That's a strawman. I don't retract poo poo. No you just make stuff up about people, liar.
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Oct 28, 2014 23:57
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Prove you're not a racist, then. I'd settle for not harassing me every time I post, instead.
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Oct 29, 2014 00:00
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Spooky Hyena posted:Prove you're not a racist, then. I'd settle for not harassing me every time I post, instead. I'll settle for you not making up bizarre accusations and lies from any of your multiple accounts. "Muslim Neo Nazis" indeed. Jesus Christ.
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