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widespread
Aug 5, 2013

I believe I am now no longer in the presence of nice people.


Reveilled posted:

Really that depends on why you didn't play more than a few hours into BL2.

I dunno. I think I should go back to BL2, seeing as the main reason for quitting was just "I wanna play something else".

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Reveilled
Apr 19, 2007

Take up your rifles

widespread posted:

I dunno. I think I should go back to BL2, seeing as the main reason for quitting was just "I wanna play something else".

I'd generally only recommend The Pre-Sequel at full price to someone who played all of BL2 and really wants more borderlands content. This is pretty much one of those expandalone type games, with BL2 as a base.

widespread
Aug 5, 2013

I believe I am now no longer in the presence of nice people.


Reveilled posted:

I'd generally only recommend The Pre-Sequel at full price to someone who played all of BL2 and really wants more borderlands content. This is pretty much one of those expandalone type games, with BL2 as a base.

To be fair, I bought BL2 during the Summer Sale (holy poo poo was it a steal then), and... yeah... not sure if I want more Borderlands content outside of the exotic gun porn aspect. If the Winter/Halloween sale spits out The Pre-Sequel AND the Season Pass for $20 each with Jack/Aurelia at $6-$8 apiece, THEN I'll pick it up no questions.

ColHannibal
Sep 17, 2007

widespread posted:

To be fair, I bought BL2 during the Summer Sale (holy poo poo was it a steal then), and... yeah... not sure if I want more Borderlands content outside of the exotic gun porn aspect. If the Winter/Halloween sale spits out The Pre-Sequel AND the Season Pass for $20 each with Jack/Aurelia at $6-$8 apiece, THEN I'll pick it up no questions.

It's just a version of BL2 that's not as good, play BL2 and all the expansions. If you want more, buy TPS.

Genocyber
Jun 4, 2012

You mean BL2 but better.

AHungryRobot
Oct 12, 2012

Genocyber posted:

You mean BL2 but better.

Tough to say whether it's better or worse. It definitely makes improvements in a couple areas but I also think it's a step back in some aspects.

Vargs
Mar 27, 2010

This game's decent and has a few things that I greatly prefer over Borderlands 2 (grinder, Oz kit maneuverability, cryo instead of slag, good vending machines that scale to your level, and just the right amount of skill points), but overall I think BL2 was a significantly better game. I wasn't really sure at first, but I went back and played through 2 a few days ago and it solidified my opinion. Especially with the DLC, which adds so much more content.

GodFish
Oct 10, 2012

We're your first, last, and only line of defense. We live in secret. We exist in shadow.

And we dress in black.
I've been using the cheat engine tables provided earlier to try and get more (any) oranges to drop, and to test it out I tried setting it to only legendaries, but so far I've just found a whole lot of greens everywhere and a few whites.

I tried the free Moxxi drinks settings to check if it was working at all, and that worked fine, so is there some reason why the item rarity values wouldn't work?

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

Reach for the moon!

AHungryRobot posted:

Tough to say whether it's better or worse. It definitely makes improvements in a couple areas but I also think it's a step back in some aspects.

This for sure. I don't like this game BETTER than BL2, but I don't dislike it worse either if that makes sense. There are a number of things I prefer in this game but also things I prefer in BL2 as well.

ColHannibal
Sep 17, 2007
It's just not as good, writings not as good and it's polished way less. This is a fun game no doubt, but it's riding on the coat tails of BL2.

Tezzeract
Dec 25, 2007

Think I took a wrong turn...

Vargs posted:

This game's decent and has a few things that I greatly prefer over Borderlands 2 (grinder, Oz kit maneuverability, cryo instead of slag, good vending machines that scale to your level, and just the right amount of skill points), but overall I think BL2 was a significantly better game. I wasn't really sure at first, but I went back and played through 2 a few days ago and it solidified my opinion. Especially with the DLC, which adds so much more content.

BL2 is a bigger experience for sure, but is also slower to get into and pretty frustrating at parts.

The Presequel is a better teacher of BL2's gameplay mechanics, which made me enjoy BL2 a lot more upon replaying it.

GodFish posted:

I've been using the cheat engine tables provided earlier to try and get more (any) oranges to drop, and to test it out I tried setting it to only legendaries, but so far I've just found a whole lot of greens everywhere and a few whites.

I tried the free Moxxi drinks settings to check if it was working at all, and that worked fine, so is there some reason why the item rarity values wouldn't work?

Was it sync'd and did you change all the .001 values to 1?

Tezzeract fucked around with this message at 00:53 on Oct 29, 2014

widespread
Aug 5, 2013

I believe I am now no longer in the presence of nice people.


Tezzeract posted:

BL2 is a bigger experience for sure, but is also slower to get into and pretty frustrating at parts.

The Presequel is a better teacher of BL2's gameplay mechanics, which made me enjoy BL2 a lot more upon replaying it.

So from what I understand, both BL2 and The PreSequel are definite buys when they get on sale. Aside from that, save my money. Got it.

Solumin
Jan 11, 2013

Chinaman7000 posted:

Enjoying the new class mechanics, but not the game's polish. Quests have dumb ways of glitching and guns feel and sound awful and weak.

Is it because of how the guns sound in vacuum? There's a huge difference when firing e.g. a Vladof AR in vacuum as opposed to in atmosphere.

widespread posted:

So from what I understand, both BL2 and The PreSequel are definite buys when they get on sale. Aside from that, save my money. Got it.

Yeah, that's a good idea.

I'm really enjoying the rebalancing so far. Assault Rifles are really useful, especially if you're playing Nisha. Spinigun + Showdown = So many bullets. And I've been able to use old guns for a while, easily 5+ levels, with no problem.

The Rokstar
Aug 19, 2002

by FactsAreUseless

GodFish posted:

I've been using the cheat engine tables provided earlier to try and get more (any) oranges to drop, and to test it out I tried setting it to only legendaries, but so far I've just found a whole lot of greens everywhere and a few whites.

I tried the free Moxxi drinks settings to check if it was working at all, and that worked fine, so is there some reason why the item rarity values wouldn't work?

I had the same problem, although I haven't messed with the only legendaries setting for a while. What level is your character? I think what might be happening is that the game is just unable to produce legendaries under a certain level (10, I think I've heard?) and if you try to force one before that you'll either get unpredictable results or just a straight-up lock up.

GodFish
Oct 10, 2012

We're your first, last, and only line of defense. We live in secret. We exist in shadow.

And we dress in black.

Tezzeract posted:

Was it sync'd and did you change all the .001 values to 1?

Not sure what sync'd means in this context, but the other functions seemed to work fine. I did set things to 1.

The Rokstar posted:

I had the same problem, although I haven't messed with the only legendaries setting for a while. What level is your character? I think what might be happening is that the game is just unable to produce legendaries under a certain level (10, I think I've heard?) and if you try to force one before that you'll either get unpredictable results or just a straight-up lock up.

This is probably it then, my highest level character is 9 at the moment, I just only found I think 2 legendaries in all of BL2 so I was trying to preempt it.

weaaddar
Jul 17, 2004
HAY GUYS WHAT IS TEH INTERWEBNET, AND ISN'T A0L the SECKZ!? :LOL: 1337
PS I'M A FUCKING LOSER
While, Base BL2 is a stronger game I do like the quality of life improvements in the presequel.
The extra movement options are awesome. Cryo is a much better element than slag. I love the higher drop rates and the grinder is great in theory. The modified skill trees and leveling makes it easier to spec out your character. Sane weapon scaling.

But there's a lot that is done poorly. The legendary's and uniques were done incredibly lazily. The grand majority are returning from BL2 with some just getting a name change and an element swap. Most also don't even seem to have a designated world drop so it's best to just farm thingies and feed the grinder. A lot of Bosses don't respawn. The raidboss is the final boss with more health. I thought it was super lazy when they did it with Pyro Pete in the Torgue DLC. At least pyro pete gained a caustic immunity as a raid boss. Too many quests require tons of backtracking. Moonstone chests are cool, but why can they old yield purples? Why would I pay 40 moonstone for random purps when you hand out shift codes like candy?

Pickle make's Tina seem like the most poignant and endearing character ever.

Playing BL:TPS made me want to play more BL2. BL2's endgame at level 50 was great. Unfortunately, UVHM exists and even more horrible are the OP levels.

pun pundit
Nov 11, 2008

I feel the same way about the company bearing the same name.

I'd love to take the BLPS mechanics (and classes) into the BL2 game. Scaling, vending machines, grinder, mobility, buttslam, weapons... Import the BL1 classes too while you're at it. Let Lilith clean up her own firehawk mess.

wdarkk
Oct 26, 2007

Friends: Protected
World: Saved
Crablettes: Eaten
I still like this raid boss more than loving Terramorphous. Oh no, a slightly bigger pyro thresher.

The BLTPS classes seem better designed, for the most part, than their counterparts.

pun pundit posted:

I'd love to take the BLPS mechanics (and classes) into the BL2 game. Scaling, vending machines, grinder, mobility, buttslam, weapons... Import the BL1 classes too while you're at it. Let Lilith clean up her own firehawk mess.

They'll probably do that in four or five years for the PS4/XBone. "Release an HD collection to make money off games you already made" is a bonafide business model.

Solumin
Jan 11, 2013
Is it confirmed that the only Mashers are the Loyalty Bonus one and possibly Maggie? I was really looking forward to using them again :(

weaaddar
Jul 17, 2004
HAY GUYS WHAT IS TEH INTERWEBNET, AND ISN'T A0L the SECKZ!? :LOL: 1337
PS I'M A FUCKING LOSER
Terra at least required some strategy and was actually kind of tough and very likely to cause a party to wipe. He also had a unique model, and was actually quite difficult (and still is in OP8).

If they really wanted a hard boss they should have made deadlift the invincible. That fucker might be the hardest boss in the game, because of his constant movement. Give him a shock immunity and a huge shield and even OP as all hell Nisha would have a hard time killing him.

Yes only two masher in the game are the maggie and smasher. The smasher can be gotten at any level just by starting a new game but before you actually choose your class, cancel it and pick your existing save file. The smasher is pretty great, but the maggie is better.

Relyssa
Jul 29, 2012



Solumin posted:

Is it confirmed that the only Mashers are the Loyalty Bonus one and possibly Maggie? I was really looking forward to using them again :(

Maggie is definitely back, but I haven't seen any others besides that one and the loyalty bonus yet.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

"It's okay. There are other Terminators! Just give us this one!"
Hell Gem

pun pundit posted:

I'd love to take the BLPS mechanics (and classes) into the BL2 game. Scaling, vending machines, grinder, mobility, buttslam, weapons... Import the BL1 classes too while you're at it. Let Lilith clean up her own firehawk mess.

That's what I hope they make out of the "you need all the vault hunters" sequel hook. It's something that's been asked for since 2 first came out, and as a plus for Gearbox doesn't require any more design work on their part. Have a party of Brick, Krieg, and Athena and the screaming will never stop.

Edit: oh wait that's only 3 people, I guess the next-screamiest class is...Salvador?

widespread
Aug 5, 2013

I believe I am now no longer in the presence of nice people.


mycot posted:

That's what I hope they make out of the "you need all the vault hunters" sequel hook. It's something that's been asked for since 2 first came out, and as a plus for Gearbox doesn't require any more design work on their part. Have a party of Brick, Krieg, and Athena and the screaming will never stop.

Edit: oh wait that's only 3 people, I guess the next-screamiest class is...Salvador?

Claptrap. Obviously. Three screamers and somebody who wants to fit in, so there'd be FOUR screamers.
But yeah, Salvador. He yells as he two-fists two guns.

rydiafan
Mar 17, 2009


BL2 is the greatest game ever just because it had the many living inhabitants of Oasis. Every single one of them was my favorite character. Buttslamming is fun, but it's no Jocko the Jokester.

Kerrzhe
Nov 5, 2008

Man I can only hope the DLC packs for this game are anywhere near as good as BL2's DLC. That extra content is what really makes BL2 stand out in my opinion. I didn't play BL2 for more than like 2 hours when it first launched, but 9 months later I dumped 400 hours into it.

AHungryRobot
Oct 12, 2012
I thought BL2's DLCs were pretty hit-or-miss, honestly. Torgue and Tiny Tina were good but Scarlet was meh and Hammerlock was just awful. The extra characters were probably the best ones IMO.

lazerwolf
Dec 22, 2009

Orange and Black
I liked Tiny Tina's the best then Torgue and Scarlett about the same. I am one of the weirdos who didn't hate Hammerlock's DLC but it was definitely my least favorite of the 4.

Cream-of-Plenty
Apr 21, 2010

"The world is a hellish place, and bad writing is destroying the quality of our suffering."

lazerwolf posted:

I liked Tiny Tina's the best then Torgue and Scarlett about the same. I am one of the weirdos who didn't hate Hammerlock's DLC but it was definitely my least favorite of the 4.

Exactly the same for me. The problem I've had with Scarlett's DLC is that, of the three times I've gone through it, it hasn't been challenging a single time. The first time was understandable because I wasn't really sure what level would be ideal for it (first time, first DLC)...but even on the subsequent runs, that DLC was really easy.

Part of me really wishes I could replace TPS' music with specific BL2 tracks. I've given the game's soundtrack a chance and it's just ambient garbage that hasn't grown on me, mostly.

Cream-of-Plenty fucked around with this message at 05:35 on Oct 29, 2014

Chasiubao
Apr 2, 2010


I don't know if I even finished Hammerlock's bullshit, but Bunkers and Badasses was so good.

wdarkk
Oct 26, 2007

Friends: Protected
World: Saved
Crablettes: Eaten
I want a Pre-Sequel DLC where Jack pays vault hunters to play Bunkers and Badasses with his daughter because he's too busy.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

"It's okay. There are other Terminators! Just give us this one!"
Hell Gem

wdarkk posted:

I want a Pre-Sequel DLC where Jack pays vault hunters to play Bunkers and Badasses with his daughter because he's too busy.

Father-Daughter Day DLC.

Edit: Motorcity is still the closest thing to a Borderlands cartoon in my mind. "I have a gun that turns into a snake!"

mycot fucked around with this message at 06:34 on Oct 29, 2014

Critical
Aug 23, 2007

Jesus Christ Jack's desk after the poo poo pops off. Such a subtle change but loving :smith:

RonMexicosPitbull
Feb 28, 2012

by Ralp
Mind spoiling it for me? I havent seen it

Chasiubao
Apr 2, 2010


RonMexicosPitbull posted:

Mind spoiling it for me? I havent seen it

The photo frame with the picture of his daughter (Angel) is now face down.

Cream-of-Plenty
Apr 21, 2010

"The world is a hellish place, and bad writing is destroying the quality of our suffering."

Chasiubao posted:

I don't know if I even finished Hammerlock's bullshit, but Bunkers and Badasses was so good.

I sure as hell didn't, because that Jackenstein boss on UVHM ~level 65 or so was intolerable.

Kerrzhe
Nov 5, 2008

Cream-of-Plenty posted:

I sure as hell didn't, because that Jackenstein boss on UVHM ~level 65 or so was intolerable.

Yeah that guy I had to cheese the gently caress out of using broken geometry. It's dumb.

AirRaid
Dec 21, 2004

Nose Manual + Super Sonic Spin Attack

widespread posted:

If the Winter/Halloween sale spits out The Pre-Sequel AND the Season Pass for $20 each with Jack/Aurelia at $6-$8 apiece, THEN I'll pick it up no questions.

No idea what that was spoilered, it doesn't really relate to game content in any way, but if it helps the 2 DLC classes are included in the season pass this time.

widespread
Aug 5, 2013

I believe I am now no longer in the presence of nice people.


AirRaid posted:

No idea what that was spoilered, it doesn't really relate to game content in any way, but if it helps the 2 DLC classes are included in the season pass this time.

Oh. Whoops. Used to different rules. But yeah, if I can snag the important parts of the game for about $25-$40, that'd be gravy.
And by important parts, I mean the game plus any story DLC and characters.

AirRaid
Dec 21, 2004

Nose Manual + Super Sonic Spin Attack
Well Game + seasoon pass should cover everything.

Actually I'm not sure where the Shock Drop slaughter thing comes in for non preorders. Probably outside the season pass. I haven't even tried it yet.

e: Goddammit Jack.

AirRaid fucked around with this message at 08:33 on Oct 29, 2014

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Attestant
Oct 23, 2012

Don't judge me.

AirRaid posted:

Well Game + seasoon pass should cover everything.

Actually I'm not sure where the Shock Drop slaughter thing comes in for non preorders. Probably outside the season pass. I haven't even tried it yet.

It's pretty bad, honestly. Small arena with no real gimming. Just spawns small waves of normal scavs with the occasional badass version. Even the basic bandit combat arena in BL2 was much more interesting and dynamic.

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