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Guys, I looked at the Senate projections on HuffPo and it was really depressing  Remember the days right after the shutdown ended, when everyone was certain the GOP's days were over unless it could actually change its message? What happened to those days?
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My Imaginary GF posted:Invading Russia. God. drat. 
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Oct 29, 2014 20:29
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loquacius posted:Guys, I looked at the Senate projections on HuffPo and it was really depressing The public and media have short memories.
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Oct 29, 2014 20:30
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FaustianQ posted:Not to go full MIGF, but doing nothing about this may simply be an attempt at gaining political firepower. If every election this was going to matter in was a lost cause to begin with, then losing in such a fashion while having the evidence to back it up seems to be quite the GOTV motivator come 2016. Why fight a losing battle now when it can become a winning issue later? It does require those battles to already be lost though, and I'm not familiar enough with those races to know if it matters. Yeah nothing gets people out and voting like purging their ability to vote when they get to the polls.
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Oct 29, 2014 20:32
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". I mean that's kinda like building a lovely house that collapses so you can discredit houses as a domicile, but par for the course.
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loquacius posted:Guys, I looked at the Senate projections on HuffPo and it was really depressing Those days were an illusion because it was a stupid statement for anyone to make if they were following electoral politics. Anyhow the real answer is New Jim Crow and jerrymandering. The GOP is doomed unless they change their messaging, but that timeline is 10-15 years minimum, and that's more than enough time to try and convince brown folks to vote for you. Texas, for instance, would be purple now if not for some clever loving over of it's electorate that should keep it red for at least 10 years. As far as national presidential elections go, the game is already over for them.
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Oct 29, 2014 20:37
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Evil Fluffy posted:Yeah nothing gets people out and voting like purging their ability to vote when they get to the polls. "Kate from DCCC: URGENT--WE SURRENDER" "rapid-response@dscc.org: unbelievable disaster (NBC story)" My Imaginary GF fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Oct 29, 2014 |
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Oct 29, 2014 20:37
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loquacius posted:Guys, I looked at the Senate projections on HuffPo and it was really depressing Midterm election in the 6th year of a Democratic presidency is like the worst-case scenario possible for Dems electorally, nothing here is too surprising. EDIT: Also keep in mind that 62/38 (looking at current 538 numbers) isn't that bad. Given the extreme pessimism of D&D/Dems in general if it was flipped and we were up 62/38 you guys would still all be predicting a loss. I know that the ridiculous misplaced optimism of GOP with their unskewed polls looks silly but I almost wish the Democratic base was more like that, instead they seem to be so pessimistic that I could see it depressing turnout. A lot of people already seem to have given up before the election has even happened yet. MaxxBot fucked around with this message at 20:55 on Oct 29, 2014 |
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Oct 29, 2014 20:49
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Evil Fluffy posted:Yeah nothing gets people out and voting like purging their ability to vote when they get to the polls. I think you misunderstood: the point isn't to not do anything, period, but rather lose the losing battle now, and use the outrage and energy to both GOTV and combat voter suppression in the next election cycle. The political calculus for this round maybe that it's too goddamn late to influence anything. Lose 2014, but come swinging in 2016 with better ways to combat suppression and ads about how the unamerican fucks on the right are trying to steal your most basic right to vote. If this doesn't happen then I'll have some shoes to eat, but it seems the most likely move. Or the Democratic party is hopelessly incompetent. mmm, delicious leather.
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Oct 29, 2014 20:51
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Pegged Lamb posted:I'd like to hear what his treatment advice for Napoleonic Complex is My Imaginary GF posted:Invading Russia. CannonFodder fucked around with this message at 20:57 on Oct 29, 2014 |
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Oct 29, 2014 20:55
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FaustianQ posted:I think you misunderstood: the point isn't to not do anything, period, but rather lose the losing battle now, and use the outrage and energy to both GOTV and combat voter suppression in the next election cycle. The political calculus for this round maybe that it's too goddamn late to influence anything. I'm sure that people are still going to be up in arms in 2 years about the voter suppression this year, just like they didn't forget the government shutdown already!
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Oct 29, 2014 20:58
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Internet Webguy posted:He wants to create the Reagan Youth, get former Congresspeople elected as leaders of foreign nations and turn government into a religion. Yet you focus on the quote that basically already describes our foreign policy? You joke but quote:MacKinnon, a former aide to Ronald Reagan, recently published The Secessionist States of America: The Blueprint for Creating a Traditional Values Country...Now. According to Right Wing Watch, during a recent interview with conservative radio host Janet Mefferd promoting the book, MacKinnon "specifically cited advances in gay rights as a reason for Southern states to leave the U.S. and create a new country." His proposal -- including floating "Reagan" as an "interim name" for the new country -- received widespread ridicule.
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Oct 29, 2014 20:59
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What's even better is that it looks like he lost a job as a columnist over that stupid book. http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/10/28/anti-gay-columnist-mackinnon-out-at-the-tampa-t/201343 quote:Citing unnamed sources, Tampa outlet Creative Loafing reported Monday that MacKinnon had been fired, speculating that it was "because of the embarrassment to the paper." Tampa Tribune publisher Brian Burns confirmed to Media Matters today that MacKinnon was indeed leaving the paper, but declined to give a reason. According to Burns, "at this point, no he is not employed."
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Oct 29, 2014 21:03
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Bonus quote of the day, “Depending on the administration, I’d say 'House of Cards,’ There was a pretty bad vice president in 'House of Cards,' but I’ll leave it at that. And I like Joe Biden, so I'm not talking about him." ~ Eric Holder, on which TV show most accurately depicts DC.
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Oct 29, 2014 21:07
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Joementum posted:Bonus quote of the day, “Depending on the administration, I’d say 'House of Cards,’ There was a pretty bad vice president in 'House of Cards,' but I’ll leave it at that. And I like Joe Biden, so I'm not talking about him." ~ Eric Holder, on which TV show most accurately depicts DC. I think Holder can say that and not have to exclude Biden, because, who can seriously hate Biden? He's the Vice President of our hearts.
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Oct 29, 2014 21:09
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Dante Logos posted:I think Holder can say that and not have to exclude Biden, because, who can seriously hate Biden? He's the Vice President of our hearts. He can be my vice president any time. 
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Oct 29, 2014 21:10
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Yeah. I don't really know who can hate on the Vice President. Ridicule? Sure. Are they trying to imply that, aside from Dick Cheney, that opposing parties hated Al Gore and Dan Quayle while in office?
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Oct 29, 2014 21:14
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Lote posted:Yeah. I don't really know who can hate on the Vice President. Ridicule? Sure. Are they trying to imply that, aside from Dick Cheney, that opposing parties hated Al Gore and Dan Quayle while in office? Lots of people hated Tipper because of the parental advisory stickers.
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Oct 29, 2014 21:16
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MickeyFinn posted:I skipped a number of pages to get to the one this post is on and I have to say that this post, taken entirely out of context (which I know nothing about), is a fantastic summary of women candidates and the horrible sexism in this country. The context doesn't make it any better.
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Oct 29, 2014 21:26
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I've never heard much about Dan Quayle besides him getting smacked down by Lloyd Bentsen in the 1988 veep debate.
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Oct 29, 2014 21:27
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:I've never heard much about Dan Quayle besides him getting smacked down by Lloyd Bentsen in the 1988 veep debate. In terms of public speaking, Dan Quayle makes George W. Bush look like Martin Luther King Jr. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYJVfd5WRhE
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Oct 29, 2014 21:29
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:I've never heard much about Dan Quayle besides him getting smacked down by Lloyd Bentsen in the 1988 veep debate. Sid Meier finds him endlessly amusing.  (Also the quote for the Future Tech is "The Future will be Better Tomorrow.")
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Oct 29, 2014 21:33
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computer parts posted:Sid Meier finds him endlessly amusing. Dan Quayle is basically second only to Yogi Berra in quotables like these.
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Oct 29, 2014 21:36
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Shear Modulus posted:Dan Quayle is basically second only to Yogi Berra in quotables like these. To be fair, Yogi Berra really didn't say everything he said.
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Oct 29, 2014 21:38
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Shear Modulus posted:Lots of people hated Tipper because of the parental advisory stickers. This is primarily what led my 18 year old self to vote for George Bush.
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Oct 29, 2014 21:47
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:I've never heard much about Dan Quayle besides him getting smacked down by Lloyd Bentsen in the 1988 veep debate. I remember back when, he was the butt of every other political joke because, well, he's not that bright and made a very public spelling mistake once.
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Oct 29, 2014 21:53
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Talmonis posted:This is primarily what led my 18 year old self to vote for George Bush. I wonder how many kids coming of age during those days were driven to the GOP because the Clinton administration made noises about violent video games and music to mollify the "pro-family" crowd.
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Oct 29, 2014 22:00
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Captain_Maclaine posted:I remember back when, he was the butt of every other political joke because, well, he's not that bright and made a very public spelling mistake once.
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Oct 29, 2014 22:01
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Shear Modulus posted:I wonder how many kids coming of age during those days were driven to the GOP because the Clinton administration made noises about violent video games and music to mollify the "pro-family" crowd. Probably white, probably male people that are at minimum 33 today. I don't know, it sounds like a trend that pushes them to the GOP anyway.
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Oct 29, 2014 22:03
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computer parts posted:Probably white, probably male people that are at minimum 33 today. I don't know, it sounds like a trend that pushes them to the GOP anyway. 31 here, and the "Think of the Children!" crap from the Clinton administration(and in particular from Hillary) made me not even vote until 2008 when I began to realize what the GOP really was thanks to this forum.
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Oct 29, 2014 22:07
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Captain_Maclaine posted:I remember back when, he was the butt of every other political joke because, well, he's not that bright and made a very public spelling mistake once. He also picked a fight with Murphy Brown, thus proving the wisdom of the old saw about not arguing with people who buy ink by the barrel.
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Oct 29, 2014 22:07
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Does it make me a bad person if I vote "no" on this sales tax increase for better preschool in the Denver area: http://co.chalkbeat.org/2014/10/27/voters-weigh-sales-tax-measure-for-denver-preschool-program/ I'm strongly for universal preschool, but I also strongly believe that the taxes that pay for it should be income or property based, not sales-tax based.
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Oct 29, 2014 22:12
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Oh please, most of that "parental advisory" stuff was meant for the Negro Rap Music. Most white folk stuff was hardly that explicit, and none of what was explicit never had the same stigma as poo poo like Straight Outta Compton. It's definitely video games for white dudes.
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Oct 29, 2014 22:12
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Radbot posted:Does it make me a bad person if I vote "no" on this sales tax increase for better preschool in the Denver area: http://co.chalkbeat.org/2014/10/27/voters-weigh-sales-tax-measure-for-denver-preschool-program/ So vote no.
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Oct 29, 2014 22:14
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Also thought this was interesting: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/29/opinion/nothing-in-moderation.html?_r=0quote:Earlier this year, to further strengthen their case, Broockman and Ahler designed and conducted an innovative online survey of 1,240 respondents recruited by Survey Sampling International. The survey asked voters not only whether they supported the Democratic, centrist or Republican positions on a range of issues, but also offered respondents the option of taking more extreme positions – further to the left or right — than most Democratic and Republican members of Congress would be willing to support.  Even with a "leftist" position I've literally never heard proposed, and a conservative position that I hear proposed regularly, most so-called moderates are more left than right on taxes. Definitely throws some cold water on the "center-right country" nonsense.
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Oct 29, 2014 22:26
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MODS CURE JOKES posted:Oh please, most of that "parental advisory" stuff was meant for the Negro Rap Music. Most white folk stuff was hardly that explicit, and none of what was explicit never had the same stigma as poo poo like Straight Outta Compton. It's definitely video games for white dudes. The largest purchaser of rap albums in the 90s was suburban white people.
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Oct 29, 2014 22:26
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Radbot posted:Also thought this was interesting: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/29/opinion/nothing-in-moderation.html?_r=0 Which federal taxes are on the poor?
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Oct 29, 2014 22:30
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Radbot posted:Also thought this was interesting: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/29/opinion/nothing-in-moderation.html?_r=0 I think people tend to agree with those postulated but experience some pullback when faced with actually filling in the bubble to vote for taxation.
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Oct 29, 2014 22:31
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Radbot posted:Also thought this was interesting: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/29/opinion/nothing-in-moderation.html?_r=0 We're a center-left country with a center-right government. It happens.
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Oct 29, 2014 22:32
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computer parts posted:Which federal taxes are on the poor? Payroll taxes.
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MODS CURE JOKES posted:Oh please, most of that "parental advisory" stuff was meant for the Negro Rap Music. Most white folk stuff was hardly that explicit, and none of what was explicit never had the same stigma as poo poo like Straight Outta Compton. It's definitely video games for white dudes.
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